Needing a Critique of Current Workout

I am 33 been training hard for 3 years and in an attempt to keep it interesting I’ve tried this for the last 2 weeks… First my specs then teh workout.
Age 33
Height 6’4"
Weight 224lbs
Approx Maxes:
Bench: 335
Squat: 425
Dead: 475
Hvae done 5x5, DC, HIIRT, and now mixing it up a bit… This one is painful and I want to make sure it’s safe.

Monday (Back and Bi’s and Abs)
I choose one exercise per muscle group (just one) and change it weekly
The pool is Back (Bent Over Rows, Dead Lifts, Wide grip pull downs, Close grip rows, Hypers)
Again choose just one, and we do 100 reps in 5 sets or less. Trying to keep the weight as high as possible without exceeding 5 sets. You are allowed just 30 seconds between sets
and you do re-rack between sets.
Sets usually go something like this
Set 1 32 reps
30 seconds
Set 2 25 reps
30 seconds
Set 3 20 reps
30 seconds
Set 4 15 reps
30 seconds
Set 5 8 reps

Exercise is done one person at a time, as a spotter is def needed.
That would be all for back and then go on to bi’s for the same workout choosing one of 8 exercises.

Comments are welcome… This made me puke on bench day.
Very taxing on the nervous system and brain, a lot of seeing stars etc…
More muscle pain than I’ve ever felt. During and for days after.
I then incorporate extreme stretching from DC training, or else I’ll ball up.

Thanks in advance~

What is your goal with this? If this is all you are doing for weights, its a good way to lose strength/mass pretty quickly. If you are just going to do it for a few weeks, it will probably be fine, but any longer and its gonna be bad.

What are you hoping that sets of 25-30 can accomplish that you can accomplish with sets of 10-15?

If I were you, i’d go something like this.

  1. Pick ONE exercise for the bodypart (Row, deadlift, pullup, etc.)
  2. Perform something like 3x3, 3x5 or 5x5
  3. Pick another exercise for the same bodyparts (Rows, deadlift, pullup, etc) Probably more of an isolation movement for your lagging areas, but not necessarily.
  4. Perform your initial workout, 100 reps, but go a bit heavier and lengthen the rest breaks to 1-2 minutes. As your conditioning increases, you can decrease the rest to 1 minute and then 30 seconds.

That seems more practical, and you would at least maintain strength. But this is in the CONDITIONING forum so maybe you are already hitting heavy lifts in addition to what you mentioned.

***Also, maybe check out nick nilson’s muscle explosion. Or you can sign up for the free newsletter at criticalbench. He calls it “compound exercise overload” and its sorta similar to what you are going for.

[quote]dankid wrote:
What is your goal with this? If this is all you are doing for weights, its a good way to lose strength/mass pretty quickly. If you are just going to do it for a few weeks, it will probably be fine, but any longer and its gonna be bad.

What are you hoping that sets of 25-30 can accomplish that you can accomplish with sets of 10-15?

If I were you, i’d go something like this.

  1. Pick ONE exercise for the bodypart (Row, deadlift, pullup, etc.)
  2. Perform something like 3x3, 3x5 or 5x5
  3. Pick another exercise for the same bodyparts (Rows, deadlift, pullup, etc) Probably more of an isolation movement for your lagging areas, but not necessarily.
  4. Perform your initial workout, 100 reps, but go a bit heavier and lengthen the rest breaks to 1-2 minutes. As your conditioning increases, you can decrease the rest to 1 minute and then 30 seconds.

That seems more practical, and you would at least maintain strength. But this is in the CONDITIONING forum so maybe you are already hitting heavy lifts in addition to what you mentioned.

***Also, maybe check out nick nilson’s muscle explosion. Or you can sign up for the free newsletter at criticalbench. He calls it “compound exercise overload” and its sorta similar to what you are going for.[/quote]

Thanks for the input my friend, yeah I hit the heavier weight training every other part of the training year, this is just something I thought up to mix it up, my main goal honestly is to increase the amount of time that I can lift period…

I tend to peter out rather quickly…
For instance on say bench, I will warm up with 225 for 6 reps, then 275 for 4 reps, then 315 for 2 reps.

But if I slightly alter it to 225 for 10 reps, 275 kicks my a$$ to get 2 reps and 315 isn’t going to happen.

So, again my goal is to increase the stamina of my strength. Dropping to lower weight concentrating on perfect form over and over (100 reps) and trying to tap new fibers.

Cutting some chub from the midsection is an added side effect.

If you have any ideas on a better way to reach this goal, I would be open to trying anything.

When I’m strong, I am strong just not for very long.

Thanks,
Diz

I think what your doing CAN work, but you just need to be careful not to lose strength. I myself wouldn’t do it this way. I would probably just start doing “typical” strength training and shorten the rest or up the volume.

Just a basic example might be:

Bench - warm up and then do 275 for 5x5

You probably wont get it right away. You might get 5,4,3,2,1 So you could go lighter or just work at it.

Really though, I think all you need to do, is lighten the weight SLIGHTLY from what you normally do, and decrease the rest breaks to 1-2 minutes.

EDT may be another option, so if you haven’t tried it, look it up.

Otherwise, i’d strongly recommend at least training HEAVY during the same phase as what your trying here.

Good luck.

[quote]dankid wrote:
I think what your doing CAN work, but you just need to be careful not to lose strength. I myself wouldn’t do it this way. I would probably just start doing “typical” strength training and shorten the rest or up the volume.

Just a basic example might be:

Bench - warm up and then do 275 for 5x5

You probably wont get it right away. You might get 5,4,3,2,1 So you could go lighter or just work at it.

Really though, I think all you need to do, is lighten the weight SLIGHTLY from what you normally do, and decrease the rest breaks to 1-2 minutes.

EDT may be another option, so if you haven’t tried it, look it up.

Otherwise, i’d strongly recommend at least training HEAVY during the same phase as what your trying here.

Good luck.[/quote]

Hey man, thanks again for the comments…
Now I have been sick for about 8 days and back in teh gym for the 1st time since but (No excuses). Here’s what happened today…

I switched to 5x5 training with my g/f.
Bench press: I figured my 80% of 1 rep max (315) to be 252lbs. So i warme dup loaded up with 250 and went in head first.
Set 1 250lbs 5 reps (fairly easy)
Set 2 250lbs 2 reps (failure on 3rd)
Set 3 240lbs 3 reps (failure on 4th)
Set 4 225lbs 5 reps
Set 5 225lbs 3 reps (failure on 4th)

This show again my inability to retain strength. I know full well that if I stayed at 250 I wouldn’t have gotten rep 1 on 3rd set.
So, my question now is do I start my 5x5 on bench at 225lbs next time? Or somewhere in between.
Because I can’t complete my 5 rep max for 5 sets of 5.

Hope this isn’t too confusing…

Also I have very specific questions regarding training females if you are up on the matter.

THanks Man!

Diz

Hmmmm… It depends on how many days a week you are benching, but you could go with 5x5, 5x3, or even something where you build up to a max. Like build up to a 5RM, rest 5 minutes,decrease the weight 10-15lbs and do two sets of 8 or so.

5x3 would be a simple way to go. You’d probably be starting at around 240-245. Stick with the same weight on all sets, and when you can get all 5 sets of 3, increase the weight 5lbs.

If you want to get the higher rep, shorter rest type thing that you were planning to do, then do it after your first exercsise that is heavy. You could then go to a different variation of bench (DB press, DB incline, dips, floor press, pushups, triceps, etc.) For this, anythig from 5x5, 3x10 to 3x20 will be fine. You could even do something like pick a weight, and shoot for 50 reps in as few sets as possible. When you are able to do it in 3 sets or less, you decrease the weight. It all comes down to how many reps and how heavy you want to go.

This second exercise could also very well be supersetted with something for your back, like pullups or rows, depending on your split.

Thats probably how’d I’d do it. You could also have a “heavy” and “light” day, but it works to do both in the same workout. Lastly, if you wanted you could just focus on maintaining your strength while doing what you were originally planning. This would entail going in one time a week and doing some heavy singles at around 90% of your 1RM. You’d probably only do about 5, and these would let you monitor if your strength is staying the same or not. Im not sure if your max is 315 or 335, but lets say its 315. Just doing some reps with around 285 will ensure that you dont lose a ton of strength. So there are a lot of options, just make sure to hold on to your strength if you are going to go the high rep “conditioning” type route.

And ya, lemme hear your question about females.

[quote]dankid wrote:
Hmmmm… It depends on how many days a week you are benching, but you could go with 5x5, 5x3, or even something where you build up to a max. Like build up to a 5RM, rest 5 minutes,decrease the weight 10-15lbs and do two sets of 8 or so.

5x3 would be a simple way to go. You’d probably be starting at around 240-245. Stick with the same weight on all sets, and when you can get all 5 sets of 3, increase the weight 5lbs.

If you want to get the higher rep, shorter rest type thing that you were planning to do, then do it after your first exercsise that is heavy. You could then go to a different variation of bench (DB press, DB incline, dips, floor press, pushups, triceps, etc.) For this, anythig from 5x5, 3x10 to 3x20 will be fine. You could even do something like pick a weight, and shoot for 50 reps in as few sets as possible. When you are able to do it in 3 sets or less, you decrease the weight. It all comes down to how many reps and how heavy you want to go.

This second exercise could also very well be supersetted with something for your back, like pullups or rows, depending on your split.

Thats probably how’d I’d do it. You could also have a “heavy” and “light” day, but it works to do both in the same workout. Lastly, if you wanted you could just focus on maintaining your strength while doing what you were originally planning. This would entail going in one time a week and doing some heavy singles at around 90% of your 1RM. You’d probably only do about 5, and these would let you monitor if your strength is staying the same or not. Im not sure if your max is 315 or 335, but lets say its 315. Just doing some reps with around 285 will ensure that you dont lose a ton of strength. So there are a lot of options, just make sure to hold on to your strength if you are going to go the high rep “conditioning” type route.

And ya, lemme hear your question about females.

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Thanks Dankid, I will put that into action and give you an update soon.
My question fo rthe females is maybe easy for a trainer. I have my g/f doing whatever I do, she more or less just emulates me. And I don’t think 5x5 or 5x3 would be great for her, although it may very well be.

A bit about her. She is 5’8 and 155lbs. She has wants to lose fat and build muscle (ha don’t we all) but she actually is interested in the figure athlete type muscle, so a lot of it!
She has a great broad shoulder frame for it too… anyway she is in no way a petite girl. She’s got a great deal of muscle all ready, but she needs to lean out the water/fat to reach her goals. Her target (LEAN) weight is around 143, so it’s not like we’re talking about a miracle, but what type of program should I pushing her towards? How much carido etc…

On a scale of 1-10 her diet is a 7. High protein, Medium Carb (Complex), and low fat

Thanks for all of your input…

Well there is no reason she cant do training that emulates yours. If you both have the goal of building muscle and losing fat, then you both shoul be training in a pretty similar manner. Males and females need to train almost the exact same way. The only difference I can say from experience, is that females tend to not use enough weight, and males tend to use too much weight.

So most of the time you should use less than you think you need to, and she should use more. Typically for females this comes down to them doing more reps with a given load, or really forcing them to go heavier. (For example, I might struggle to get 5 reps with 85% of my 1rm, but my gf can probably get 7-10. And if I tell her to pick a weight that she can only do five times, she’ll stop at five but I can almost guarantee she could have done a few more)

Also, her exercise selection may be different than yours. It really depends on where she needs to put on muscle the most, but many times females struggle more with upper body than lower body. So, while squats, deadlifts and lunges may be enough for lower body for her, she may need bench, rows, shoulder press, pullups, tricep ext, curls, shoulder raises, etc. for upper body.

But this really depends on HER needs. My gf actually has developed her upper body much faster than her lower body, so she needs to put less emphasis on the upper body.

Whether your male or female, there should always be emphasis put on progression. I know its not always the case, but my experience with females is that a lot of times they dont think they need to get stronger. They fail to see the benefit of increasing their squat by 50lbs or by being able to double their reps with a given weight on DB presses. Cardio MAY help burn some fat, but weight training and diet will help build muscle and get lean.

So my recommendation for cardio? Its the same as for you. If she’s trying to build muscle, she can do cardio, but only as long as she’s able to progress on the weights. If she; or you, start to stall on the weights, then the cardio would be the first thing to cut out. If her; and you, aren’t building muscle, but are trying to lose fat, then its a litte different. You’ll be in a calorie deficit, and weight training is still important, but you might not be expecting to make gains.

Instead, the goal might be to maintain strength, while adding cardio (or metabolic type resistance training) It depends on the person, but for me, I have found that trying to “train to lose fat” is very innefective. And that dieting to lose fat, while trying to maintain muscle and strength is much better.

Also, check out T-Nation’s other site figureathlete.com There are many good articles over there catered to females and figure athletes. And there is nothing wrong with you doing some of the stuff over there as well. Check out the articles on X-frame, and “wasp waist” and some of wet wolf’s stuff.

Hope this helps.

[quote]dankid wrote:
Well there is no reason she cant do training that emulates yours. If you both have the goal of building muscle and losing fat, then you both shoul be training in a pretty similar manner. Males and females need to train almost the exact same way. The only difference I can say from experience, is that females tend to not use enough weight, and males tend to use too much weight.

So most of the time you should use less than you think you need to, and she should use more. Typically for females this comes down to them doing more reps with a given load, or really forcing them to go heavier. (For example, I might struggle to get 5 reps with 85% of my 1rm, but my gf can probably get 7-10. And if I tell her to pick a weight that she can only do five times, she’ll stop at five but I can almost guarantee she could have done a few more)

Also, her exercise selection may be different than yours. It really depends on where she needs to put on muscle the most, but many times females struggle more with upper body than lower body. So, while squats, deadlifts and lunges may be enough for lower body for her, she may need bench, rows, shoulder press, pullups, tricep ext, curls, shoulder raises, etc. for upper body.

But this really depends on HER needs. My gf actually has developed her upper body much faster than her lower body, so she needs to put less emphasis on the upper body.

Whether your male or female, there should always be emphasis put on progression. I know its not always the case, but my experience with females is that a lot of times they dont think they need to get stronger. They fail to see the benefit of increasing their squat by 50lbs or by being able to double their reps with a given weight on DB presses. Cardio MAY help burn some fat, but weight training and diet will help build muscle and get lean.

So my recommendation for cardio? Its the same as for you. If she’s trying to build muscle, she can do cardio, but only as long as she’s able to progress on the weights. If she; or you, start to stall on the weights, then the cardio would be the first thing to cut out. If her; and you, aren’t building muscle, but are trying to lose fat, then its a litte different. You’ll be in a calorie deficit, and weight training is still important, but you might not be expecting to make gains.

Instead, the goal might be to maintain strength, while adding cardio (or metabolic type resistance training) It depends on the person, but for me, I have found that trying to “train to lose fat” is very innefective. And that dieting to lose fat, while trying to maintain muscle and strength is much better.

Also, check out T-Nation’s other site figureathlete.com There are many good articles over there catered to females and figure athletes. And there is nothing wrong with you doing some of the stuff over there as well. Check out the articles on X-frame, and “wasp waist” and some of wet wolf’s stuff.

Hope this helps.[/quote]

Ha! You make a great point on the females never doing enough. This is so true… I try to push her to find out what a real 5 rep max is, but she always says it’s one thing than on the 5th set she some how does 11 reps??? Makes little sense, other than their threshold for pain must be vastly different. She always complains that preacher curls hurt her wrists too bad o even do. I am old school and just say “It’s supposed to hurt, now do it” but that’s just me.

She says it’s the heaviest she can do then in between sets she walks over to the dumb bells and starts doing hammer curls… Icaramba… I’m just glad she’s not lazy!

We’ll keep working this method with her and see how it goes. She refuses to listen to anything I say, but I’ll do my best.

Wish Me Luck!

[quote]Randizo wrote:
I am 33 been training hard for 3 years and in an attempt to keep it interesting I’ve tried this for the last 2 weeks… First my specs then teh workout.
Age 33
Height 6’4"
Weight 224lbs
Approx Maxes:
Bench: 335
Squat: 425
Dead: 475
Hvae done 5x5, DC, HIIRT, and now mixing it up a bit… This one is painful and I want to make sure it’s safe.

Monday (Back and Bi’s and Abs)
I choose one exercise per muscle group (just one) and change it weekly
The pool is Back (Bent Over Rows, Dead Lifts, Wide grip pull downs, Close grip rows, Hypers)
Again choose just one, and we do 100 reps in 5 sets or less. Trying to keep the weight as high as possible without exceeding 5 sets. You are allowed just 30 seconds between sets
and you do re-rack between sets.
Sets usually go something like this
Set 1 32 reps
30 seconds
Set 2 25 reps
30 seconds
Set 3 20 reps
30 seconds
Set 4 15 reps
30 seconds
Set 5 8 reps

Exercise is done one person at a time, as a spotter is def needed.
That would be all for back and then go on to bi’s for the same workout choosing one of 8 exercises.

Comments are welcome… This made me puke on bench day.
Very taxing on the nervous system and brain, a lot of seeing stars etc…
More muscle pain than I’ve ever felt. During and for days after.
I then incorporate extreme stretching from DC training, or else I’ll ball up.

Thanks in advance~[/quote]

i like it

ive been doing gvt for my squats and ive seen super fast gains. the high rep thing is the way to go.

id incorporate some ME for some balance :slight_smile: