I don’t use steroids and tend to have a hard time gaining weight. For most bodyparts I seem to experience best results training with 5-6 sets with 1 set to failure. I have read programs of people performing around 25 sets per workout for the neck though. What I want to know is;
how many sets should I do per workout for my neck?
How many times should I train it per week?
How long does would you estimate it would take to gain an inch on the neck?
hardgainer? here we go, lol
hard time gaining weight? try eating 4500-5000 calories/day, I guarantee you’ll gain weight.
Yeah I will obviously gain. But it will be fat.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
Yeah I will obviously gain. But it will be fat.[/quote]
yeah, ok. Keep being a “hard gainer” then. Or you could not worry about a little extra fat and just fricken eat. I know it’s a novel idea and “might” work, but gosh darnit you’re a hard gainer.
Both jehovasfitness and I eat around 4500 cal/day. I’m still around 10% bf (can see 4 abs). He’s not fat, either.
There was an article on neck training that I think came out last week. Check that out.
As for the inch on the neck, it’s going to vary, but I know of the rule that it takes anywhere from 10-25 pounds of weight gained (depending on training age) to put an inch one’s arms.
EAT A FUCKING TRIPLE WHOPPER
Seriously, if you take ONE THING away from this thread it’s the eating thing.
Go to FITDAY.com and log in what you eat. I will bet you a Baconator that you wont be a hardgainer when you get your calories up to 4,500 or more.
Here’s an e-mail I sent to a male client of mine, both quotes are from this site and from two very knowledgable guys:
"I’m actually currently training a guy (in his early 50’s) who wants to build muscle. I’ve got him on a very basic program right now, but he keeps hitting walls due to his unwillingness to put in the effort at the dinner table.
I’ve even tried giving him easier options for ways to get more calories in (like making all his meals on Sunday when he doesn’t have to work, or drinking a half gallon-gallon of milk a day, to ordering more food than he needs at lunch so he can have food to eat later, etc…) but to no avail.
It’s sad really because a lot of newbe’s have a lot of drive in the gym, but they wind up shooting themselves in the foot with their lack of eating. I was once one of them, so I’m not passing judgement on them.
I really wish that someone had kicked me in the ass earlier in my career and force fed me just to show me how foolish I was being. That’s one thing about bodybuilding though, it’s all about self discipline. And you are the only one who can determine whether or not you get results.
Sorry for the rant at the alter. ;)"
"I think you missed my point. I did NOT eat like I should have for a significant portion of the last 12 years. Had I done so it would NOT have taken me this long…even at this age.
I didn’t realize that the eating was like the lifting. In other words, you HAVE to suck it up and eat and eat and eat even when you don’t feel like it. I would bust my ass in the gym but not give my body the calories to build. I just didn’t get it.
I should have had somebody cracking a whip on the eating thing. I thought I ate a lot but…guess what? If you’re lifting intensely, no matter where on the curve you are, and you’re not gaining weight, you just aint eating enough. I was a dunce reading the magazines, following different lifting schemes, pounding my muscular and nervous systems and not pounding my digestive system with LOTSAFOOD.
Now, sinners, how many more of you want to come forward and kneel at the altar?"
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
Yeah I will obviously gain. But it will be fat.[/quote]
Just quit then, whats the point. We don’t care if you train or not.
Here’s a little bit of information though: If you train hard and eat a lot, you wont gain that much fat.
Then of course, your version of ‘train hard’ will probably be lifting some pink dbs then dropping the weights once you feel a tincy bit of soreness, ouchies.
[quote]Short Hoss wrote:
EAT A FUCKING TRIPLE WHOPPER[/quote]
mmmm I could go for that
Ok well I have been training for quite a while and at one point I did just eat a lot of anything and everything including a high amount of protein. This was because people said I need to eat eat eat. I gained a lot of fat and not a huge amount of muscle was left after dieting. Maybe I should eat high calories but keep the fat low.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
Ok well I have been training for quite a while and at one point I did just eat a lot of anything and everything including a high amount of protein. This was because people said I need to eat eat eat. I gained a lot of fat and not a huge amount of muscle was left after dieting. Maybe I should eat high calories but keep the fat low.[/quote]
Or maybe you could try actually training hard enough to match your food intake or …dare I say…adjust your fucking food intake so that you ARE gaining enough muscle to justify the gain in body weight.
Lifting like a pussy for years is not going to build anything and of course you will get fat if you eat more but don’t train hard enough to put it to good use.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
Ok well I have been training for quite a while and at one point I did just eat a lot of anything and everything including a high amount of protein.
This was because people said I need to eat eat eat. I gained a lot of fat and not a huge amount of muscle was left after dieting. Maybe I should eat high calories but keep the fat low.[/quote]
Maybe your ‘dieting’ was complete shit resulting in you losing your muscle?
And ‘fat’ in a diet does NOT mean you get ‘fat’.
Fat is due to your body storing excess nutrients that your body is not utilizing at the current time, most of which comes from carbohydrates.
So if you get a little fat, you make your body utilize the nutrients you are putting down by training HARDER.
If you train hard and heavy your neck will not look disproportionate to the rest of you. deadlift heavy rack pull heavy, do heavyy rows, heavy power cleans, shrugs etc.
By sating you have a hard time gaining muscle on your neck makes me think you don’t train heavy enough or with enough intensity.
I just bought a neck harness but thats only because my thumb is screwed up so I cant hold anything in my right hand. SO I am just doing what I can.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
Ok well I have been training for quite a while and at one point I did just eat a lot of anything and everything including a high amount of protein. This was because people said I need to eat eat eat. I gained a lot of fat and not a huge amount of muscle was left after dieting. Maybe I should eat high calories but keep the fat low.[/quote]
Did this include drinking any and everything also? I love soda(hate diet), and notice times when I’m not trying to lose weight I will use it as an excuse to pound down soda and coronas. This will lead to a whole lot more fat gain then all the food you eat. A Biggie Sized pepsi will cause way more fat gain then a true 1/2 lb angus burger.
How long have you guys trained for? I’m sorry but a lot of the posts from people on here telling me what to do seem elementary. For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat.
True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat.
People telling me to eat whoppers have no idea about bodybuilding or maybe they are genetically gifted but certainly this is terrible advice for the average person. Eating clean is an elementary rule of bodybuilding.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
How long have you guys trained for? I’m sorry but a lot of the posts from people on here telling me what to do seem elementary. For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat.
True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat.
People telling me to eat whoppers have no idea about bodybuilding or maybe they are genetically gifted but certainly this is terrible advice for the average person. Eating clean is an elementary rule of bodybuilding.[/quote]
lolololol
Men’s health bodybuilding? or the sport of BODYBUILDING?
When I first started reading all the bodybuilding magazines and books, they never mentioned eating clean until competition time. This is not to say that it’s not good to eat clean for your health, but I don’t remember that being the elementary rule.
Honestly, I thought all you were supposed to eat back then was steak and baked potatoes, spaghetti n meatballs, and no less then .5lb burgers every other night. The ELEMENTARY rule of bodybuilding was/is EAT.
“Eating Clean” wasn’t a phrase until frosty’s and half a pound cold stone waffle cones with fudge cake became the norm.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
How long have you guys trained for?[/quote]
You are clueless. I’ve trained for probably close to 15 years by now and the pictures are in my profile.
[quote]
I’m sorry but a lot of the posts from people on here telling me what to do seem elementary. For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat. True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat.[/quote]
Wow. You do realize that if you take in too many calories from protein that you will also gain fat, right? It would simply be harder to eat as many calories in the first place. Eating fat does not mean you gain more body fat. Your body is a little more complex than that.
[quote]
People telling me to eat whoppers have no idea about bodybuilding or maybe they are genetically gifted but certainly this is terrible advice for the average person. Eating clean is an elementary rule of bodybuilding.[/quote]
Eating clean is not an elementary “rule” of bodybuilding. Getting results is the elementary “rule” of bodybuilding. If you are eating cleaner than everyone but making the least progress…guess what, no one gives a shit about how clean you ate.
You’re gonna be burnt at the stake man. I was gonna write something helpful, but I dont think you’d believe me. Read the articles, listen to posters like Prof X; If you do that for 6 months I guarantee you wont believe how ignorant your first 4 posts sounded.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
silverwolf wrote:
How long have you guys trained for? I’m sorry but a lot of the posts from people on here telling me what to do seem elementary. For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat.
True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat.
People telling me to eat whoppers have no idea about bodybuilding or maybe they are genetically gifted but certainly this is terrible advice for the average person. Eating clean is an elementary rule of bodybuilding.
lolololol
Men’s health bodybuilding? or the sport of BODYBUILDING?
When I first started reading all the bodybuilding magazines and books, they never mentioned eating clean until competition time. This is not to say that it’s not good to eat clean for your health, but I don’t remember that being the elementary rule.
Honestly, I thought all you were supposed to eat back then was steak and baked potatoes, spaghetti n meatballs, and no less then .5lb burgers every other night. The ELEMENTARY rule of bodybuilding was/is EAT.
“Eating Clean” wasn’t a phrase until frosty’s and half a pound cold stone waffle cones with fudge cake became the norm.[/quote]
“Eating clean” still isn’t a phrase in bodybuilding outside of authors trying to sell books or when strictly discussing contest dieting. I’ve seen some of these guys eat. While they may “eat clean” the majority of the time, they sure as hell aren’t putting that over making sure they are eating ENOUGH to keep growing.
I’ve seen NPC competitors eat more than me at a hamburger place when they weren’t dieting. Some of you have been fooled completely if you think that isn’t happening.
I’m willing to let him keep eating his plain chicken breast, dry tuna, white rice, plain broccoli and spring water.
At this point I’m beginning to not give a shit.
By the way, been training for 20 years. Got up to 271lbs, not VERY lean but NOT fat.
I’ve come back down (way too far down) but am on my back up to 260. And guess what, I just ate a turkey sandwhich, 1/4 watermelon, 1 can of tuna and a bowl of mint chocolate chip ice cream!
Yeee-haaaaaa!
PS, In the right light, I can see a hint of my top 4 abs. Go figure.