Don’t listen to us. What you’re doing is obviously working, oh wait…
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
<<< For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat.
True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat. >>>[/quote]
I eat 3000 plus calories a day from fat and have for going on 2 years. Hold on to your hat, I have not gotten any fatter, but I have made some pretty decent gains. ScottM said it well one time when he said something like “fat doesn’t make you fat and carbs don’t make you fat. Not knowing what the hell you’re doing makes you fat”.
Also, Professor X is right on in saying essentially that if you are eating enough to get fat, but aren’t gaining muscle then you don’t know how to train. Doesn’t mean you should soak your head and give up, but until you quit assuming you’re a “hard gainer” who’s got it all figured out and realize that you clearly have nothing figured out you will continue to struggle.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
How long have you guys trained for? I’m sorry but a lot of the posts from people on here telling me what to do seem elementary. For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat.
True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat.
People telling me to eat whoppers have no idea about bodybuilding or maybe they are genetically gifted but certainly this is terrible advice for the average person. Eating clean is an elementary rule of bodybuilding.[/quote]
Delete this account, re-register, and start over.
Dude, like everyone is saying, eat pretty clean, but eat a ton. I’m naturally skinny, and I learned over the years that when I want to gain real weight, I have to eat like a horse. Half gallon of milk a day, double-cheeseburgers, lots of beef jerky, etc. You’ll be surprised how little fat you gain if you lift heavy 3-4 days a week with deadlifts, squats, bench, chins, dips.
As for your neck, buy a harness (Ironmind, I got mine from some company called Grizzly Fitness), slap some weight on and do four sets of 15-20, two days a week. Your neck will grow.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
How long have you guys trained for? I’m sorry but a lot of the posts from people on here telling me what to do seem elementary. For example someone said the amount of fat you eat does not mean you will gain fat.
True,if calories are at maintenance level or below. But when you eat to gain muscle you consume more calories than you take in, if these calories are comprised of too much fat you will gain fat.
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oh great another low-fat advocate
you’re right it’s much better to chow down on soem bread, buns and pasta
is your next question going to be “how do i tone my muscles ?”
Hardgainer? How much do you eat?
You should be focusing on putting weight on the bar, then putting on some more, and eating till your jaw grows from so much chewing, then shoving down even more food.
[quote]silverwolf wrote:
I don’t use steroids and tend to have a hard time gaining weight. For most bodyparts I seem to experience best results training with 5-6 sets with 1 set to failure. I have read programs of people performing around 25 sets per workout for the neck though. What I want to know is;
how many sets should I do per workout for my neck?
How many times should I train it per week?
How long does would you estimate it would take to gain an inch on the neck?[/quote]
Man, you are a begginer, that is evident. You have to train to learn the form, that is first step. as for sets and reps. you will find wich is better for you once you know the correct form.
there is no such thing has hardgainer, it is just a thing of how work your body to give results.
as for your question on neck: i have done sets of 2x10 with a plate in front of my head, back of my head and saw some results. I did see great results when i started deadlifting. so good that I stopped doing sets for neck. I increased my neck to 16", besides you have to eat plenty, if you don’t eat, you won’t grow and neck needs food to grow. eat plenty, forget abs, if you are a numbers freak like me. you can eat as many times a day as long you don’t eat more than 500kcal each time, with time spacing of two hours. it keeps your fat away and your muscles feeded.
Hope it helps
Regards.
JJ
FWIW, I put two inches on my neck going from 138 to 195 pounds. No direct neck training or even shrugs, just deadlifts, barbell hack squats and the occasional power snatch.
[quote]DSmolken wrote:
FWIW, I put two inches on my neck going from 138 to 195 pounds. No direct neck training or even shrugs, just deadlifts, barbell hack squats and the occasional power snatch.[/quote]
I think that is all we need.
[quote]DSmolken wrote:
FWIW, I put two inches on my neck going from 138 to 195 pounds. No direct neck training or even shrugs, just deadlifts, barbell hack squats and the occasional power snatch.[/quote]
Maybe dog fighting helps, don’t you think? LOL
[quote]derek wrote:
Seriously, if you take ONE THING away from this thread it’s the eating thing.
Go to FITDAY.com and log in what you eat. I will bet you a Baconator that you wont be a hardgainer when you get your calories up to 4,500 or more.
Here’s an e-mail I sent to a male client of mine, both quotes are from this site and from two very knowledgable guys:
"I’m actually currently training a guy (in his early 50’s) who wants to build muscle. I’ve got him on a very basic program right now, but he keeps hitting walls due to his unwillingness to put in the effort at the dinner table.
I’ve even tried giving him easier options for ways to get more calories in (like making all his meals on Sunday when he doesn’t have to work, or drinking a half gallon-gallon of milk a day, to ordering more food than he needs at lunch so he can have food to eat later, etc…) but to no avail.
It’s sad really because a lot of newbe’s have a lot of drive in the gym, but they wind up shooting themselves in the foot with their lack of eating. I was once one of them, so I’m not passing judgement on them.
I really wish that someone had kicked me in the ass earlier in my career and force fed me just to show me how foolish I was being. That’s one thing about bodybuilding though, it’s all about self discipline. And you are the only one who can determine whether or not you get results.
Sorry for the rant at the alter. ;)"
"I think you missed my point. I did NOT eat like I should have for a significant portion of the last 12 years. Had I done so it would NOT have taken me this long…even at this age.
I didn’t realize that the eating was like the lifting. In other words, you HAVE to suck it up and eat and eat and eat even when you don’t feel like it. I would bust my ass in the gym but not give my body the calories to build. I just didn’t get it.
I should have had somebody cracking a whip on the eating thing. I thought I ate a lot but…guess what? If you’re lifting intensely, no matter where on the curve you are, and you’re not gaining weight, you just aint eating enough. I was a dunce reading the magazines, following different lifting schemes, pounding my muscular and nervous systems and not pounding my digestive system with LOTSAFOOD.
Now, sinners, how many more of you want to come forward and kneel at the altar?"
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I like you more and more Derek. I use fitday, for myself and i have for certain clients that have the discipline.
Its a great resource.
JJ