Nas' New Album

On Food & Liquor:

Fiasco covers a wide variety of subjects on the album. “Kick, Push” tells the story of a young skateboarder. The lyrics follow the skateboarder through many stages of his life such as his childhood, finding love, marriage, and adulthood (It is also understood to be an extended metaphor for hustling). Although the literal meaning of this song is skateboarding, the actual meaning of the song is rejection, and being criticized for doing what one loves. On “The Instrumental” Lupe addresses addiction to “boxes,” or television. “He Say She Say” deals with the story of a child without a good father-figure and the effects that it has on the child. This child grows up to become “The Cool,” one of the main characters which Lupe bases both of his albums on. “The Cool” follows the story of a dead man who rises from the grave and returns to the hood where he lived and died. “Hurt Me Soul” deals with Lupe’s conflicting feelings about Hip-Hop, stating in the lyrics “I used to hate hip-hop. Yup, because the women degraded. But Too Short made me laugh, like a hypocrite I played it.” He even references Jay-Z’s (who is an executive producer of the album) line “I don’t pray to god. I pray to Gotti” on D’evils. The chorus features Lupe rapping from the perspective of various people who tell their problems in the world. On “American Terrorist”, Lupe discusses his Muslim religion and racial profiling. He discusses the history of America terrorizing its own citizens and others. For example the song opens with,“We came through the storm, nooses on our necks, and a smallpox blanket to keep us warm.” The album ends with Lupe reading a list of people who helped with the album (similar to that of “My 1st Song” by Jay-Z and “Last Call” by Kanye West).

On The Cool:

Lupe Fiasco’s The Cool was received with mostly positive reviews from music critics, with an 77 (out of 100) rating from review aggregator MetaCritic.com. Entertainment Weekly said “Sonically, he’s got the same kind of gratifying ADHD going on. Some tracks, like ‘Paris, Tokyo,’ contrast his Twista-style rapid-fire delivery with a lazy rhythm that’s close to smooth jazz which can comparable to A Tribe Called Quest. ‘Hello/Goodbye,’ at the other extreme, has U.K. electro outfit Unkle providing a tense rock feel.” The New York Times, hailing the album as “one of the year�??s best hip-hop albums,” added that “The songs only grow more urgent as Lupe Fiasco expands his sociopolitical perspective. ‘Intruder Alert’ starts as a wary love song and broadens its topic to immigration. ‘Little Weapon,’ produced by Patrick Stump of Fall Out Boy, looks at children with guns, from child soldiers in Africa to high school shooters.” Allmusic said “He is one of the most clever artists around, and as far as telling stories with rhymes goes, he’s way up there, best exemplified by ‘Hip-Hop Saved My Life’ (a gripping story about a struggling rapper) and ‘Gotta Eat’ (where Lupe’s inspiration for metaphors is a cheeseburger, yet it is no more corny than Main Source’s classic ‘Just a Friendly Game of Baseball’).”

So it’s not like storytelling is dead. The fact that mindless drivel like Souljah Boy is even remotely popular speaks more about the retards who listen to such shit. It’s like stupidity is contagious or something.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
I love Lupe, but he isn’t cool. He doesn’t talk about drugs, sex, and alcohol near enough.[/quote]

But… but his last album is called “The Cool”!

[quote]Eielson wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
and for the record its Kwali not quali

KWELI!
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i wasnt sure and was too lazy to google it lol.

hiphop isnt dead, i never said it was. i said storytelling is dead. i said nas is dead. i said you guys are a bunch of rap nerds and need to get with the times.

lupe does do story telling and i do like Lupe, not all his songs are storys though so he has enough variety to appeal to almost everyone. when i want something with more substance or some more wit to it i go for Lupe i think hes the most clever rapper out right now. he killed jay-z on that track they did together.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Eielson wrote:
I love Lupe, but he isn’t cool. He doesn’t talk about drugs, sex, and alcohol near enough.

But… but his last album is called “The Cool”![/quote]

He never killed anybody, though.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i said you guys are a bunch of rap nerds and need to get with the times.[/quote]

I love how intelligence makes you a nerd.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lupe does do story telling and i do like Lupe, not all his songs are storys though so he has enough variety to appeal to almost everyone.[/quote]

Most are stories.

And you spelt stories wrong.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
He never killed anybody, though.[/quote]

I dunno, he looks smart enough to get away with it.

[quote]Eielson wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i said you guys are a bunch of rap nerds and need to get with the times.

I love how intelligence makes you a nerd.[/quote]

The time’s I’m living in say that there is still poverty, oppression, a winless war, an idiot president and a rising nation deficit. How’s that for getting with the times. But I get it, yah trick, yah.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Eielson wrote:
He never killed anybody, though.

I dunno, he looks smart enough to get away with it.[/quote]

Smart?! Even worse!

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i said you guys are a bunch of rap nerds and need to get with the times.[/quote]

Are we nerds because we can spell and punctuate?

[quote]Eielson wrote:
Smart?! Even worse![/quote]

Think cool like the romanticized version of the Yakuza or the Chinese Triads.

Hip-hop is ALIVE AND KICKING MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS…

Just not on the billboard. Haha. You are all being narrow minded, and so am I. ‘Hip-hop’ is a culture. Breaking, Graffing, Turntablsim, and Emceein’ are a PART of the culture…

Break dancing is global, the Koreans run shit.

Graffin’…Just walk around…haha. Look up Banksey.

Turntablism… is ridiculous and has been progressing beyond comprehension.

As time has passed… the art of being an Emcee has changed. Let’s be serious. Biggie was NOT a fantastical rapper…lyrically. Read his lyrics. Catchy Diddy beats, rapid fire, and clever wordplay. It was inventive. Innovative. Not skillful. Pac, was a poet, but a Gangster rapper. Remember, those who grew up in the late 70’s to early eighties did not really like that whole east coast west coast shit. Pac was aiight. ::shrugs and Emphasis on aiight:: as in OKAY… not …GREAT.

But who IS the ALMIGHTY UNIVERSAL SICK RAPPER???

never existed. We are a different Generation… 80’s rock and roll was not 90’s grunge and not todays hatebreed.

MY opinion, there is no better rapper… there are just… people making art. Art can not be compared to one another because we all have different ass values. The Greatest Song Ever will never happen.

So… This is what i’d Say…

Mos Def is a fucking ARtist. PEriod.
Talib could have been hot.
Common is the Hendrix of todays hip-hop with less than a 10th of the following…
Lauren Hill was a SICK emcee during the Fugees Era.
The Fugees were rediculous.
Big L was the illest Gangster/Pimp Rapper… Before he got shot…
N.E.R.D. Brings a lot of flavor to Hip Hop with the neptunes…
Sage Francis and Apathy, and Zion-i and all those cats… good lyrically, but will never be famous…ever…
Wu-tang had its up and downs.
The Roots Never had a BAD Album.
50…could have done somthing positive with hip-hop, even with the tough guy image, but he did not.
Diddy needs to retire.
Soulja Boy needs to Grow up.
The South has it’s own style…ehh… that’s all i will say.
New York needs a new Rapper.

I wont even quote or comment about some of the conversation that was put here earlier, but just remember, If you do NOT have EPMD, Big Daddy Kane, OR Kool G Rap on TAPE…TAPE; CASSETTE TAPE… then do not judge others.

Listen to the sub-genres of hip-hop that you like… fuck the rest.

[quote]Chaosnyli wrote:
Listen to the sub-genres of hip-hop that you like… fuck the police.[/quote]

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Blah blah blah blah everything I’ve written in this thread is wrong [/quote]

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Chaosnyli wrote:
Listen to the sub-genres of hip-hop that you like… fuck the police.

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I’d Save that for another convo, lol.
Unfortunetly I am a young black male who has had a gun pointed at me by NYPD NAssau PD and Suffollk PD yet… never even got a ticket? ehh… w/e. I don’t even like that song… or N.W.A… Rage Against the Machine had a sick remix though… oh and i did some research on the NAS album…

�??Only Fox that I love was the Redd one / Only black man the at Fox love is in jail or a dead one�??-Nas

Socially aware of Mass Media’s tendency to be bias… pretty cool.

[quote]Chaosnyli wrote:

I wont even quote or comment about some of the conversation that was put here earlier, but just remember, If you do NOT have EPMD, Big Daddy Kane, OR Kool G Rap on TAPE…TAPE; CASSETTE TAPE… then do not judge others.

Listen to the sub-genres of hip-hop that you like… fuck the rest.
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i believe the first paragraph i’ve highlighted here is wrong apart from that i agree with most things you said

apart from lupe fiasco off the top of my head jay-z - lost ones is a perfect example of a story telling song released in recent history, simply put lupe fiasco isnt this magical saviour that he is continually being put out to be sure he releases some great songs, kanye west is probably hip hops best chance at the moment, if you dont like something dont listen to it, its as easy as that

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Mal ive never heard of any of those songs except DWTD and it sucked. [/quote]
Then you really don’t know shit, do you? You can’t claim something is “dead” when you don’t even know what it is or even name a classic example. I knew you were narrow-minded with your listening choices, but I didn’t realize you limited yourself this much. And there’s nothing wrong with only listening to a limited selection of music, but then you really have no business running your mouth in as many music threads as you do. Go listen to Weezy, kid, and stay out of conversations you are clueless about.

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you guys wanna listen to backpack storytelling rap go ahead. i told yall a million times its dead so dont be so sour that no one is making it anymore and everyone that does sucks at it.

backpack nerds[/quote]

I love how in several threads you throw about the backpack label. You probably couldn’t even define “backpack”. Hell, Lupe is damn near backpack, but you would never admit that.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Mal ive never heard of any of those songs except DWTD and it sucked.
Then you really don’t know shit, do you? You can’t claim something is “dead” when you don’t even know what it is or even name a classic example.

I knew you were narrow-minded with your listening choices, but I didn’t realize you limited yourself this much.

And there’s nothing wrong with only listening to a limited selection of music, but then you really have no business running your mouth in as many music threads as you do. Go listen to Weezy, kid, and stay out of conversations you are clueless about.

you guys wanna listen to backpack storytelling rap go ahead. i told yall a million times its dead so dont be so sour that no one is making it anymore and everyone that does sucks at it.

backpack nerds

I love how in several threads you throw about the backpack label. You probably couldn’t even define “backpack”. Hell, Lupe is damn near backpack, but you would never admit that.[/quote]

judging by 781 posts especially in music threads, he seemingly accepts what trl throws at him as the best thing going around i.e in another thread calling weezy the greatest rapper ever, no.

i agreed with his points saying that soulja boy has as much reason to be in rap as nas, however back pack rap ain’t dead and i pretty much disagree with everything else he has had to say.

story telling isn’t dead, the only problem with hip hop is the over saturation of the radio’s and music video shows with ring tone rappers.

i don’t have a problem with ring tone rap as i dont want too learn quantum physics when I’m trying to ‘mack bitches’ however i understand other rappers frustration that music they slave over including intelligent content and substance gets overlooked by the general population. Now the people complaining about this situation how many cd’s did you go out and buy last year?

The problem is the same people that are bitching hip hop is dead, that they don’t hear good quality music(not just limited to the rap/hip hop genre) on these radio stations and music video shows i.e trl are the ones who aren’t buying the cd’s.

I’m not preaching a holier than thou attitude but you cant sit there and complain that your favorite musicians/artist album gets pushed back, they aren’t promoting it enough, not getting on the radio if YOU DON’T BUY THE CD AS WELL, when you purchase an album it’s showing the record company that you are interested in that artist, that you want to hear and see more from that artist and similar artists.

Now the reason why soulja boy was able to stay #1 for so long was because teenage girls were buying the songs off itunes/cd’s from the stores.

You know why teenage girls are the biggest buyers of to be frankly honest subpar music because record companies know if they market it to that population they are the most likely to go purchase the album and affiliated merchandise meaning they are getting a bigger return. Music is pretty much all about the profit margin.

I know big paragraph to people i know that aren’t going to bother reading it, I’m sure you are not smart enough to comprehend the general concepts i put forth in this post anyway

I’m done with this thread, why does every hip hop thread either end up turning into a soulja boy vs hip hop thread, or everyone against livefrom781, 781 maybe you should spend some time listening to the classics then come back too hip hop threads.

The hip hop classic they named I’m pretty sure even kids who rode the small bus in high school know the words they get played that much. I’m not a weezy hater I own his whole catalogue because he does make enjoyable music to listen too however claiming he is the greatest rapper alive when he’s obviously stole jay-z style.

and taken the dip set swag and come out a mediocre hybrid you really need to rethink your preferences and make sure you arent a 13 year old girl from the OC and wondering if your going to be the first person at your school with that new shawty lo song, so you know can seem super cool and maybe get asked too the formal by ben affleck and you know have a happy life and yeah

for a point of reference yes i know jay-z stole multiple people’s styles and bit multiple lines, so dont bothering bringing this up, i’m out of this thread till people actually discuss Nas’ latest cd

and yes ether makes the soul burn slooooooooooow

[quote]Makavali wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lupe does do story telling and i do like Lupe, not all his songs are storys though so he has enough variety to appeal to almost everyone.

Most are stories.

And you spelt stories wrong.[/quote]

you spelled “spelled” wrong.

dude i know a ton about hiphop. the problem isnt my lack of knowledge its majority of posters on here living in 1992-1996.

i dont like backpack nerd rap. lupe is close yes but he doenst have the same boring ass qualities about majority of those rappers. like i said lupe can make a story rap then go and make a chart topper.

i also never said wayne was the greatest rapper. i just said he has more popularity than any other rapper right now.

if something isnt popular anymore its dead. if you act like storytelling was never mainstream youre a dope. problem is people got tired of it and wanted something else so someone came out and gave em gangsta rap. then people got tired of gangsta rap and now people would rather hear snap music, club-hop, bling-rap or trap rap which is like gangsta raps half-brother.