I’m still stuck on your controlling the gyno sides.
Wouldn’t some nolv in the morning hinder what the letro is doing???
Any way if your taking letro why worry with the nolv???
Well in that case i’ll be sure to post something… when something happens… so far the most exciting thing is my test crashed and i had to cook it again.
Honestly though… i dont notice anything from the eq through the test… i AM eating more, but naturally so… it is that time in my cycle - y’know…
But in the next couple weeks i am sure i’ll have something to write… you never know - i may not get the eq hunger thing… some dont.
JJ
I take the letro at night. Letro takes 60 days to build steady blood levels… so when i dose with the drol in the morning, i take some nolva to ‘be sure’ - i may not need it, but i would rather use some cheap arse tamoxifen pills than risk growing some visible mammory tissue.
Nolva is shown to work against adex… but i didnt read the same for letro - although i am not positive on that.
jj
[quote] Brook wrote:
I take the letro at night. Letro takes 60 days to build steady blood levels… so when i dose with the drol in the morning, i take some nolva to ‘be sure’ - i may not need it, but i would rather use some cheap arse tamoxifen pills than risk growing some visible mammory tissue.
Nolva is shown to work against adex… but i didnt read the same for letro - although i am not positive on that.
jj[/quote]
Doesn’t Anadrol’s estrogen sides come from a different way than aromatization? How does the letro help with this. I know the letro is killing all your E, but don’t most people take nolva throughout an anadrol cycle to act on the SERM side of things instead of an AI’s perspective?
I don’t know too much, but from the lil research i’ve done i know the serm seems favored.
But again, I would come to you for advice on this topic so… LOL 
educate me on your thoughts o wise one… lmao jk dood!
DG
I didn’t finish reading the rest of the wankers comments regarding Brook but all I can say that rec drug use or not Brook is okay in my book. I applaud his courage for dropping heroin as it is one of the hardest drugs to become addicted too. Regardless of his alleged “post-whoring” I’ve always found valuable information with a hint of humor in them. I consider him truly on of my mates on this forum and look forward to his input and advice when I post my log.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
I take the letro at night. Letro takes 60 days to build steady blood levels… so when i dose with the drol in the morning, i take some nolva to ‘be sure’ - i may not need it, but i would rather use some cheap arse tamoxifen pills than risk growing some visible mammory tissue.
Nolva is shown to work against adex… but i didnt read the same for letro - although i am not positive on that.
jj
Doesn’t Anadrol’s estrogen sides come from a different way than aromatization? How does the letro help with this. I know the letro is killing all your E, but don’t most people take nolva throughout an anadrol cycle to act on the SERM side of things instead of an AI’s perspective?
I don’t know too much, but from the lil research i’ve done i know the serm seems favored.
But again, I would come to you for advice on this topic so… LOL educate me on your thoughts o wise one… lmao jk dood!
DG[/quote]
well… i am just making sure i have no E for the prog to agonise… IF drol actually stimulates prog in any way… this AFAICT is not proven yet. Then i use the winny at 25mg/d too for that reason.
I am also using a serm to block the receptor directly incase the drol increases E directly… AND if you look at this article below (which doesnt go into detail, but is interesting to say the least) then arimidex(and i assume letro) is capable of removing estrogen from more means than anti aromatase… this would make perfect sense in the accounts of adex stopping drol induced gyno…
However, after looking deeper into this, it MAY be a good idea to NOT use tamoxifen, it all depends on HOW drol actually works! This shit gets confusing! 
www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Nutrition/Current/Q148103.html
and this very interesting thread…
www.afboard.com/forum/anabolic-discussion/
22041-anadrol-vs-dbol.html
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
I take the letro at night. Letro takes 60 days to build steady blood levels… so when i dose with the drol in the morning, i take some nolva to ‘be sure’ - i may not need it, but i would rather use some cheap arse tamoxifen pills than risk growing some visible mammory tissue.
Nolva is shown to work against adex… but i didnt read the same for letro - although i am not positive on that.
jj
Doesn’t Anadrol’s estrogen sides come from a different way than aromatization? How does the letro help with this. I know the letro is killing all your E, but don’t most people take nolva throughout an anadrol cycle to act on the SERM side of things instead of an AI’s perspective?
I don’t know too much, but from the lil research i’ve done i know the serm seems favored.
But again, I would come to you for advice on this topic so… LOL educate me on your thoughts o wise one… lmao jk dood!
DG
well… i am just making sure i have no E for the prog to agonise… IF drol actually stimulates prog in any way… this AFAICT is not proven yet. Then i use the winny at 25mg/d too for that reason.
I am also using a serm to block the receptor directly incase the drol increases E directly… AND if you look at this article below (which doesnt go into detail, but is interesting to say the least) then arimidex(and i assume letro) is capable of removing estrogen from more means than anti aromatase… this would make perfect sense in the accounts of adex stopping drol induced gyno…
However, after looking deeper into this, it MAY be a good idea to NOT use tamoxifen, it all depends on HOW drol actually works! This shit gets confusing!
www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Nutrition/Current/Q148103.html
and this very interesting thread…
www.afboard.com/forum/anabolic-discussion/
22041-anadrol-vs-dbol.html
JJ[/quote]
lol ya I knew you’d be on top of your stuff…and your telling me its confusing Thanks for the info tho man, I’ll check it out.
DG
on a side note…
So did quads and bi’s today… ya weird right?
Anyway, and i felt ssoreness in my joints… just like a dull ache - not an injury, just… aching.
I suppose it is the winstrol…? I never had it before with winny, but i used it with deca before though.
fin
Yeah be careful with the wiiny and letro i have friends who have gotten fractures from such combos.
Allthough i would have to say the letro was the culprit!!
Why do i keep dissing your letro road dawg???
So i seem to have stabilized around 190-195 from the drol… (i was 184 just before cycle) i have realised that this is probably due to the letro… i only use a MAXIMUM of 0.25mg a day as it reduces my sex drive at a dose of more than that.
But from 0.125-0.25mg of letro i have virtually zero water on my body, so i am looking much more muscular but not greatly sloppy as i was expecting from the drol (and kinda miss too!).
Diet could be better, i getting my protein obviously, but could be more calories - i just started a new job and it is taking some time to acclimatize.
I take my milk and whey with me everyday and sip it throughout the shift and then eat on my break obv… then before and after work and before and after the gym too obv… but probably only getting 4K cals and it isnt enough.
I get paid tomorrow so the supermarket is gonna be hurting (i spend fucking hundreds on food as it is but hey-ho, its off to work we go) although i dont really have the room for more food, as i have taken over the kitchen as it is and i live with two other guys (who luckily eat like pigeons).
For the Eq people - nothing, nada, zip. It dont make me hungry, i think it makes me a little anxious actually… but i have had enough encounters with anxiety to be able to control that small problem.
I am actually using 2 different brands, so it cant be a bunk gear issue, well it could but i really doubt it is as one of mine is made by me and the other is from a rep source.
Must say though… strength ISNT great. I am not any stronger now than i was off cycle… that pisses me off a tad to say the least.
I am not feeling great all in all… i am looking pretty good, getting ALOT of attention from women in particular, which is good and bad - bad because i have been apart from my lovely wife for a long time now and it is ‘difficult’ to say the least.
But i expected more results by now, i am going to be starting week 5 on monday… and i have only seen the gains from the drol i added last week! And no strength.
I gonna regiment my diet a little as i do when it gets out of hand as it has… and i considered dropping some of the doses…i am on crazy numbers for me at the moment;
Test 750mg
Eq 600mg
Drol 350mg
Stan 175mg
thats 1875mg of AAS over this portion of the cycle - and i am not getting the benefits.
BUT.
And this is a big BUT…
i dont get much from cyp before week 5 is over anyway, and i dont get much in the way of strength from cyp until week 7 or so…
I can only assume due to the ester, eq is going to be similar or worse even, and the drol isnt blowing me up as i am using a powerful AI with it.
I actually dislike and like the no water thing simultaneously… i think that is why i keep my gains so well, because i put on minimal water and it doesnt give me the big losses… but that also means i dont get some of the strength too, i believe it is the lack of bloat that is to blame for my static strength.
So maybe next time i may just use prov and nolvadex and 500mg of test (probably prop) and see what happens.
Anything to add peeps?
JJ
I had the same anxiety issues with EQ, even at super low doses. I had to get rid of mine, it was too uncomfortable a feeling.
Man, JJ, those are some crazy doses. I’d think by now you’d see some pretty substantial gains in strength. Like you mentioned - probably over the next couple of weeks you’ll see some for sure…
But i hope you are right 5, if not - well i would be seriously suspecting something was a-miss mate.
BTW… that other thing… No go.
J
Maybe the joints are hurting from the letro and winny because the letro, winni, drol are in full bang, yet the longer estered inj. haven’t hit yet?? Just thinking out loud from what I’ve read and learned so far. lol
I’d say, screw it! you’ve come this far on high doses, don’t drop yet, keep with it for another few weeks and see if everything starts ramping up??
This looks like a similar “bulk” cycle that I’m kinda planning (not soon) but maybe next year so I’m real curious to see your results. lol
GERDY
[quote] Brook wrote:
But i hope you are right 5, if not - well i would be seriously suspecting something was a-miss mate.
BTW… that other thing… No go.
J[/quote]
Okay, I had wondered…
Well a little update… i was planning to go to the gym today before work, but i slept in by accident, pissed.
BUT last night i was doing some quick posing, checking myself out (like you do) and i realised that i am actually thick as fuck. I am a stocky, muscular, large(short) mo-fo…!
I was always very slim and skinny, but i am now obviously a meathead. I think i am being too harsh a critic actually. I am pushing 195lbs and as i dropped down to around natural maintenance weight just last year i know that i would normally be just 150lbs(i dropped to 140). So being 45-50lbs above baseline is pretty good, especially as it is pretty maintainable for me as it isnt a ton of water.
The way i was looking at myself was this; i was looking at the size of each muscle, the way they separate etc… you know, like the pro’s do etc.
But for one, i am not under 10%, and two i am still building the base from which i will then make each muscle pop individually, with diet and more isolative moves.
So like many of you, my workouts consist of more compound than isolative moves, to make the most of the big, blocky muscle building movements.
So all in all, yeah… i think i am doing pretty good.
I tried to take some pictures, i have a new phone which does take great pictures, but it is impossible on my own as the button needs to be held down…
So if i manage to arrange to get someone to take pictures of me then i will, but TBH - i dont know many people in this area - and certainly not well enough to ask that of them.
Most people would see it as blatant showing off really. Bodybuilding is generally mocked in the public eye - which doesnt bother me, but it means i dont really converse with ‘outsiders’ about my aspirations too deeply as their ignorance clouds their judgement.
As always JMO…
JJ
Ignorance clouds there judgement!!
I can relate bro shit yesterday i was watching lee priest work out on you tube.
A nd this freakin yuppie looks over and says he’ll be dead soon from all of the steroids.
Cancer or a heart attack seem to go hand in hand with the publicks view of roids.
[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
Ignorance clouds there judgement!!
I can relate bro shit yesterday i was watching lee priest work out on you tube.
A nd this freakin yuppie looks over and says he’ll be dead soon from all of the steroids.
Cancer or a heart attack seem to go hand in hand with the publicks view of roids.
[/quote]
that’s when I’d tell him, "ya but he’ll need a big f*ckin casket! " lol
DG
So i was shopping for shirts the other day and decided to use the good lighting in the changing room to see if i could get a good shot…
So remember, the pose is rushed and crooked, and out of prorption some, but it gives you an idea.
I am not blown away however, i have recently written out my dietary day/week to see if i can improve my cycle results.
Anyway, i think you can see some of the Eq hardness coming in the shoulders… plus proviron/winny will be helping with that.
[quote] Brook wrote:
So i was shopping for shirts the other day and decided to use the good lighting in the changing room to see if i could get a good shot…
So remember, the pose is rushed and crooked, and out of prorption some, but it gives you an idea.
I am not blown away however, i have recently written out my dietary day/week to see if i can improve my cycle results.
Anyway, i think you can see some of the Eq hardness coming in the shoulders… plus proviron/winny will be helping with that.
[/quote]
Haha, your skin color reminds me of my character from the X-box game, Fable. Ever heard of the great outdoors?
JJ…
Are those stretch marks on the bicep/ shoulder? or Vein?
Also I hear you on the no water thing… I like the bloated/swole look! LOL
Glad to see you’re making gains though, hope your strength picks up.