Hey… I’m pretty sure entourage was with you/brook/me in opposing inner-hulk’s views
he was being sarcastic, immitating inner-hulk, when he said the ‘you’ve been posting too much’
he was referring to innerhulk
Hey… I’m pretty sure entourage was with you/brook/me in opposing inner-hulk’s views
he was being sarcastic, immitating inner-hulk, when he said the ‘you’ve been posting too much’
he was referring to innerhulk
:D[/quote]
opps, I guess I read that wrong and got a little testy! LOL… I’ll be erasing that now! HAHA!!! My apologies Entourage, and please disregard.
guy,guys lets calm down here.
some of us on the interent are self rightous and we have to deal with it.
when they show there head then we know who to and who not to write off.
hey MD welcome to T-Nation buddy,atleast you know now you fit in here with the rest of us.
I noticed somethings that been happening the last few weeks but I won’t say anything untill I look into it a bit more.
I think I know what all this hubbub is about.
[quote]Nich wrote:
guy,guys lets calm down here.
some of us on the interent are self rightous and we have to deal with it.
when they show there head then we know who to and who not to write off.
hey MD welcome to T-Nation buddy,atleast you know now you fit in here with the rest of us.
I noticed somethings that been happening the last few weeks but I won’t say anything untill I look into it a bit more.
I think I know what all this hubbub is about.
[/quote]
Thanks for the welcome Nich. Obviously, the topic of addiction, which (someone) dug up- is a very touchy one for me. To say it gets me amp’d, is an understatement. Anyway, I’m done with this thread and won’t be revisiting it. Everyone else can have at it.
[quote]Nich wrote:
guy,guys lets calm down here.
some of us on the interent are self rightous and we have to deal with it.
when they show there head then we know who to and who not to write off.
hey MD welcome to T-Nation buddy,atleast you know now you fit in here with the rest of us.
I noticed somethings that been happening the last few weeks but I won’t say anything untill I look into it a bit more.
I think I know what all this hubbub is about.
[/quote]
What you mean bud?
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
Wow… after lurking this forum for a while , I cannot believe that someone is trying to justify using one needle over another.
One is a fix, the other makes you bigger.
And umm longterm use, from any drug is the exact same in the end, we all die… be it pot, meth, alcohol ,heroin, steroids, they all have consequences. And they all plant that seed in you that will eventually turn into something bigger.
We all have our demons, and we are all sinners.
I am happy that Brook was able to overcome some of his, But umm hulk you need to realize that if he goes back to his previous ways then well you are right, your rebuke has merit in the fact that if he does fail to quit the dope then yes you are right about that, nobody is going to argue with you there.
Mr inner hulk.
Although if he does quit forever, then you just judged someone where its only gods right to do so. We all pay for our sins in this life so why are you worrying about his? what he does to his body is his choice ,its his temple… how is self destruction using dope any different than self destruction using anything else?
you just like the idea of the steroid mentality ,put it on some pedestal when its just as dirty in the end, and come here so you can justify your use with other users. How can you put another “drug” user down? when you are one yourself, hypocrite.
Although anyones knowledge on any particular subject he has researched is still there, it takes complete ignorance to deny that. If your mind is clouded by a substance it doesn’t mean you cant learn about something and give an opinion on it… this is a forum thats what its here for.
Why would i trust a steroid user for cycle information over him? everyones body reacts differently so why would anyones opinion truly make a difference?..
/end rant.
[/quote]
I am not the greatest at articulating my words - i never was, which is why i turn to aggression so quickly. it is a flaw - BUT i must say, this is exactly what i was trying to say earlier.
Good post, and thanks for ‘getting it’
Brook.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Nich wrote:
guy,guys lets calm down here.
some of us on the interent are self rightous and we have to deal with it.
when they show there head then we know who to and who not to write off.
hey MD welcome to T-Nation buddy,atleast you know now you fit in here with the rest of us.
I noticed somethings that been happening the last few weeks but I won’t say anything untill I look into it a bit more.
I think I know what all this hubbub is about.
What you mean bud?[/quote]
I dont know but there seems to be last few weeks alot more of the calling out and shit talking and outright mean-ness along with more nicey nice stuff too.
just trying to figure out what the hell is going on.
aliens perhaps?
[quote]Nich wrote:
What you mean bud?
I dont know but there seems to be last few weeks alot more of the calling out and shit talking and outright mean-ness along with more nicey nice stuff too.
just trying to figure out what the hell is going on.
aliens perhaps?[/quote]
its the excess eastrogen man, i m going to go and cry now!
[quote]entouragevip wrote:
Nich wrote:
What you mean bud?
I dont know but there seems to be last few weeks alot more of the calling out and shit talking and outright mean-ness along with more nicey nice stuff too.
just trying to figure out what the hell is going on.
aliens perhaps?
its the excess eastrogen man, i m going to go and cry now!
[/quote]
I feel like it sometimes laughing so much
OK… time to get this thread back on track.
I started my drol this week… 50mg drol and 25mg winny oral.
I like, i like…
I am on day 5 and while the strength isnt up yet… it is hovering at a point that is good for me anyway.
I have put on 12lbs since monday. Jesus christ, this shit is fun! It has been a while since i did a good bloat-fest, swole-ness, roid-head, moon-face oral, and i am looking forward to this.
I dropped down to just under 13stone (180lbs) just before the cycle, to get my body fat down to the 11% mark. Now i am upto a watery 192lbs at the same bodyfat… i’ll say 12 for the sake of modesty. (i got upto around 14% before i trimmed it in)
But i am glad for the drol, because i am seriously bored with these long esters… week 3 and the cyp and undec esters are virtually nowhere to be seen… strength is ok… stable, like the calm before the storm almost… but after the first week where a little water went into rounding the muscle bellies out a little, there has been nothing and it is frustarting!
Still… i know that in another couple weeks i should be on my way.
I am tough on myself though. For example, i have managed to maintain a size and strength while off cycle totally, that is above where i was at the beginning of the last one. I am doing well progression wise, just fine actually.
I will be hitting 200lbs next week i suspect, but it wont count. It wont count in my mind until i hit that with minimal water assistance at least, and at best when i hit it while off cycle. At the peak i would love to be above 200lbs in this cycle.
I am slowly increasing my calories, so as to minimise fat gain, but my diet is loosening, and i a getting a comfortable 4000… next week i will be 5000 and then i will re-assess there. BDE’s ‘milk and protein protocol’ may be just the ticket here i suspect! 
I think that i should be able to maintain a solid 200lbs after this cycle.
225lbs is starting to seem like not enough of a long term goal. I will compete around 200 hopefully, and we’ll see.
But physically, i am looking ‘pumped’ i am pretty fucking large in my own space, if that makes sense. My chest has responded well to the specialisation, which i am backing off now… and moving to higher volumes progressively in all bodyparts.
Joined anew gym and it is horrid. it is 10x worse than the last one, which i hated. This is the end of commercial gyms for me.
I have been looking into the best PL/BB gyms in my area, and while there are some - it would be impossible to get there regular enough without a car… so i am making do for now.
Long post - sorry, it needed a bit of catching up i thought, after all the BS above.
Keep lifting peeps!
JJ
200lbs at a contest weight is awesome man! I’m anxious to see it.
In my opinion, any time you are over 200lbs and in contest conditioning, unless you are 6’10" you have built a solid physique! lol
12lbs in a week! I’m going on 15lbs for the year so far 
lol
Good luck man!
DG
The drol and winny combo do you think the winny is doing its job at keeping the progest prolac under control.
Or is it impossible to tell like i would suspect i will check back to see if the drol flares any thing.
I’M GLAD IT IS GOING SO WELL HELL YEAH AND STAY PUMPING PEOPLE.
THE JUDGE
[quote] Brook wrote:
OK… time to get this thread back on track.
I started my drol this week… 50mg drol and 25mg winny oral.
I like, i like…
I am on day 5 and while the strength isnt up yet… it is hovering at a point that is good for me anyway.
I have put on 12lbs since monday. Jesus christ, this shit is fun! It has been a while since i did a good bloat-fest, swole-ness, roid-head, moon-face oral, and i am looking forward to this.
I dropped down to just under 13stone (180lbs) just before the cycle, to get my body fat down to the 11% mark. Now i am upto a watery 192lbs at the same bodyfat… i’ll say 12 for the sake of modesty. (i got upto around 14% before i trimmed it in)
But i am glad for the drol, because i am seriously bored with these long esters… week 3 and the cyp and undec esters are virtually nowhere to be seen… strength is ok… stable, like the calm before the storm almost… but after the first week where a little water went into rounding the muscle bellies out a little, there has been nothing and it is frustarting!
Still… i know that in another couple weeks i should be on my way.
I am tough on myself though. For example, i have managed to maintain a size and strength while off cycle totally, that is above where i was at the beginning of the last one. I am doing well progression wise, just fine actually.
I will be hitting 200lbs next week i suspect, but it wont count. It wont count in my mind until i hit that with minimal water assistance at least, and at best when i hit it while off cycle. At the peak i would love to be above 200lbs in this cycle.
I am slowly increasing my calories, so as to minimise fat gain, but my diet is loosening, and i a getting a comfortable 4000… next week i will be 5000 and then i will re-assess there. BDE’s ‘milk and protein protocol’ may be just the ticket here i suspect!
I think that i should be able to maintain a solid 200lbs after this cycle.
225lbs is starting to seem like not enough of a long term goal. I will compete around 200 hopefully, and we’ll see.
But physically, i am looking ‘pumped’ i am pretty fucking large in my own space, if that makes sense. My chest has responded well to the specialisation, which i am backing off now… and moving to higher volumes progressively in all bodyparts.
Joined anew gym and it is horrid. it is 10x worse than the last one, which i hated. This is the end of commercial gyms for me.
I have been looking into the best PL/BB gyms in my area, and while there are some - it would be impossible to get there regular enough without a car… so i am making do for now.
Long post - sorry, it needed a bit of catching up i thought, after all the BS above.
Keep lifting peeps!
JJ[/quote]
Squats’n’milk’s where it’s all at, son! If you’re going for about 5,000 calories, make sure to get that 500g (making protein 40% of your calories) of protein in. Over 2.5g per lb of bodyweight will get you swole very quickly. I’ve been following it for 5 years and I’ll never look back.
Don’t forget to get a few fruits and veggies in, though. I know they’re low calories, but they’re quick to eat. Just take that banana and go to town on it like a blind dollar hooker in a men’s locker room.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
200lbs at a contest weight is awesome man! I’m anxious to see it.
In my opinion, any time you are over 200lbs and in contest conditioning, unless you are 6’10" you have built a solid physique! lol
12lbs in a week! I’m going on 15lbs for the year so far lol
Good luck man!
DG[/quote]
Hopefully Gerds! hopefully!
I think i can get upto 220 with 12% within the next 2 cycles… which would put me at around 200 contest ready… i’d be happy at 190 though contest ready. And that is more likely too!
Plus your 15lbs is dr muscle… that 12 lbs is all bullshit man - it aint muscle, and shouldnt be considered as such IMO.
still fun to ‘wear’ though! haha!
[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
The drol and winny combo do you think the winny is doing its job at keeping the progest prolac under control.
Or is it impossible to tell like i would suspect i will check back to see if the drol flares any thing.
I’M GLAD IT IS GOING SO WELL HELL YEAH AND STAY PUMPING PEOPLE.
THE JUDGE[/quote]
Its hard to say… there is a slight swelling (only noticeable by me and how i judge the dose of my ancillaries) but it is managed with the regular dose of letro and some nolva in the morning.
Plus i use proviron too - which all helps i guess (for estrogen at least).
JJ
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
Brook wrote:
OK… time to get this thread back on track.
I started my drol this week… 50mg drol and 25mg winny oral.
I like, i like…
I am on day 5 and while the strength isnt up yet… it is hovering at a point that is good for me anyway. I have put on 12lbs since monday. Jesus christ, this shit is fun! It has been a while since i did a good bloat-fest, swole-ness, roid-head, moon-face oral, and i am looking forward to this.
I dropped down to just under 13stone (180lbs) just before the cycle, to get my body fat down to the 11% mark. Now i am upto a watery 192lbs at the same bodyfat… i’ll say 12 for the sake of modesty. (i got upto around 14% before i trimmed it in)
But i am glad for the drol, because i am seriously bored with these long esters… week 3 and the cyp and undec esters are virtually nowhere to be seen… strength is ok… stable, like the calm before the storm almost… but after the first week where a little water went into rounding the muscle bellies out a little, there has been nothing and it is frustarting!
Still… i know that in another couple weeks i should be on my way.
I am tough on myself though. For example, i have managed to maintain a size and strength while off cycle totally, that is above where i was at the beginning of the last one. I am doing well progression wise, just fine actually.
I will be hitting 200lbs next week i suspect, but it wont count. It wont count in my mind until i hit that with minimal water assistance at least, and at best when i hit it while off cycle. At the peak i would love to be above 200lbs in this cycle.
I am slowly increasing my calories, so as to minimise fat gain, but my diet is loosening, and i a getting a comfortable 4000… next week i will be 5000 and then i will re-assess there. BDE’s ‘milk and protein protocol’ may be just the ticket here i suspect!
I think that i should be able to maintain a solid 200lbs after this cycle.
225lbs is starting to seem like not enough of a long term goal. I will compete around 200 hopefully, and we’ll see.
But physically, i am looking ‘pumped’ i am pretty fucking large in my own space, if that makes sense. My chest has responded well to the specialisation, which i am backing off now… and moving to higher volumes progressively in all bodyparts.
Joined anew gym and it is horrid. it is 10x worse than the last one, which i hated. This is the end of commercial gyms for me.
I have been looking into the best PL/BB gyms in my area, and while there are some - it would be impossible to get there regular enough without a car… so i am making do for now.
Long post - sorry, it needed a bit of catching up i thought, after all the BS above.
Keep lifting peeps!
JJ
Squats’n’milk’s where it’s all at, son! If you’re going for about 5,000 calories, make sure to get that 500g (making protein 40% of your calories) of protein in. Over 2.5g per lb of bodyweight will get you swole very quickly. I’ve been following it for 5 years and I’ll never look back.
Don’t forget to get a few fruits and veggies in, though. I know they’re low calories, but they’re quick to eat. Just take that banana and go to town on it like a blind dollar hooker in a men’s locker room.[/quote]
i dont think i will be upping my ratio of protein to 40%… but it will still be more than enough (i need the carbs!) You are a protein crazy mo fo… ;
Yep you are right though… giant protein shakes sipped throughout the day a la dante stylee is a great idea… thanks. 
JJ
I’m really looking forward to seeing how the EQ treats you. That’s the one compound I don’t see many using.
You may have already answered this, but have you been getting the EQ hunger?
Also, one more question. Do your joints feel any better from the EQ? I know it’s probably a little early to tell. However, the increased collagen synthesis from EQ is supposed to as good (or better) that Deca. I don’t remember the exact percentage increase that was documented, but it was definitely up there.
So far i cant say i notice ANYTHING from the Eq.
My joints are pretty healthy anywayto the point deca never gave me much benefit like that…
Also i have not had the Eq hunger…
Still, i am only in week 3…
I will be following the EQ report closely myself, especially the hunger factor.
[quote]saps wrote:
I will be following the EQ report closely myself, especially the hunger factor.[/quote]
Same here.