If i was to do a oral cycle of Dbol only what type of gains would i see. My diet and workout routine are on track.
Dis b da question dat neva ends…
You’d get strong for a week or two, then you’re body would boost estrogen and your natural test would drop. Then you’d get off and wonder what happen…then you’d normalize in the next few weeks.
It helped me with the intensity of my workouts, it made me super aggressive at times, and much less talkative. However, the actually gains I’ve kept since it aren’t significant, if I even put on 8 lbs on it, I maybe kept 2-3 lbs…and how much of that was fat anyways.
In general if you’re going to do steroids just wait till you have the money and the know how. Do a cycle with all the trimmings involved…that’s what I’m going to do.
Alot of people do this dbol shyt alone cuz its inexpensive, but when you’re fucking with your hormones you really just don’t wanna pop shit like spicers 5&10 candy.
You could do two weeks on, two weeks off, two weeks on, then off. The two weeks on won’t be long enough to really shut off your own test, so you rebound quickly in the two off weeks that follows.
Eat a LOT of protein, train hard and you could keep a bit of extra muscle and strength with this. At least it worked well for me with anadrol.
read up on Bill Roberts and short cycles.
I would have some nolva handy though.
u need more than protein
Some are quite gifted in their response to Dianabol and actually do pretty well on just that. That is not so for most though, who will just enjoy better workouts and temporarily be heavier mostly due to increased glycogen and glycogen-associated water retention ss well as general water retention, but not really add much muscle from it when used alone.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Some are quite gifted in their response to Dianabol and actually do pretty well on just that.
That is not so for most though, who will just enjoy better workouts and temporarily be heavier mostly due to increased glycogen and glycogen-associated water retention ss well as general water retention, but not really add much muscle from it when used alone.[/quote]
Bill, maybe you can help me out with this…
Would an herbal diuretic do anything to effect the water retention associated with dianabol? I understand there is a difference between subcutaneous water retention and intracellular water retention, but I am not sure how dianabol affects either ( I will do some research on that).
I ask because I retain a lot of water when using dianabol and obviously I am not a fan of the puffy look I get, especially in the neck/face area. I know that diet and estrogen control goes a long way to keep water retention in check, but I need carbs to make gains, so if there’s a way to keep the water retention down without altering my diet too much I’d like to find it out.
I am not looking for a super thorough response (if you have any knowledge on the subject in the first place), just some info I can use as a starting point for researching the topic.
Thanks
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Anyone with knowledge, feel free to share. Post or PM me, whatever.
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I really don’t know: never been much into water retention issues. It just for whatever reason hasn’t been an interest and so I never learned anything about it really. I wish I could help but really don’t have any useful advice on that one.
My approach is a not particularly thorough one: just keep estrogen under control and then what androgen does with regard to water retention, so be it, has been my view. However there may well be things to do about it that I don’t know.
Thanks Bill
I am currently playing around with a d’bol only cycle.
I have done d’bol alot and know how I react to it while using other AAS. but I was curious about this because its always a bad thing to do orals only.
I am not expecting anything from it just personal knowledge.
lately I do get the sense of well being with it, d’bol is a “feel good steroid” and I get slight very slight strength gains. nothing to really brag about.
It does help with work out intensity albiet slightly as well.
my opinion on it right now is that its just not worth it and its better as a “kick start” or a work out aid while on cycle.
I am currently taking 40mg a day split into 2 doses about 45 mins before working out and 45 mins before going to work in the evening.
in 3 weeks I gained 11 pounds but this is water I am sure.
I do feel fuller and I have the pump from it like usual but again no big difference.
I will be stopping at 4 weeks and I am 3 in so next week is the last week.
so far I dont know if im shut down but I have no atrophy yet.
Well, I’m a dianabol junkie so…
To minimize water retention what I normally do is gulp down 1 ECA pill with any dose of dianabols. You’ll pee like a crazy fucker guaranteed. If you still have water retention drink some (caffeinated) coffe also.
Basically all I do is mix a diuretic with a bloating compound. DONT get the suggested ECA dose as directed on any freaking bottle while gulping down dbol tough, always get less.
If the suggested dose is say 2 caps of ECA, gulp 1 cap with the dbols. or else Blood pressure will skyrocket and end up having to pause in the middle of a set 'cause you WILL feel your head going to explode.
Also you could gulp down some arimidex…or better yet letrozole. Ah, if you do gulp down letrozole make sure you do get your fair share of fish oil. You will understand when you hear your joints grinding like a friggin broken gear box.
But uh…why the hell you wanna reduce bloat I mean, hell I love dbols for the lubrication they give to joints, ligaments and what not. I did a dbol only cycle a while back and personally all I gained was some water and some gyno (60mg dbol ED ain’t bullshit), lesson learned-if you feel you nipples numb or itchy and do have nolvadex (or some generic tamoxifen citrate), gulp 20mg of that shit as soon as possible.
You wanna mess with an oral only cycle? Get hold of some oral turinabol. It’s basically dianabols with much less water retention. Slightly more expensive but well worth it.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
But uh…why the hell you wanna reduce bloat I mean, hell I love dbols for the lubrication they give to joints, ligaments and what not. I did a dbol only cycle a while back and personally all I gained was some water and some gyno (60mg dbol ED ain’t bullshit. [/quote]
I see no need for subcutaneous water retention. I also don’t experience the lubricating effect you are talking about.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Also you could gulp down some arimidex…or better yet letrozole. Ah, if you do gulp down letrozole make sure you do get your fair share of fish oil. You will understand when you hear your joints grinding like a friggin broken gear box.
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Ya… That means that your E was WAY to low… not a side effect of Letro, just a side effect of improper dosing… But you still got gyno with letro??
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
But uh…why the hell you wanna reduce bloat I mean, hell I love dbols for the lubrication they give to joints, ligaments and what not. I did a dbol only cycle a while back and personally all I gained was some water and some gyno (60mg dbol ED ain’t bullshit.
I see no need for subcutaneous water retention. I also don’t experience the lubricating effect you are talking about. [/quote]
I personally get that lubricating effect after I bump dosages up 30mg ED. In a week or so.
I never used letro, a friend has and his fucking joints where like:
‘Snap…crackle…snap…snap…’
Shit I could hear him groaning in pain.
You really are surprising me man. No lubricating effect? Try pushing the same heaviest weight without dbol after a 6 week cycle while say…doing arnie presses and enjoy the THX certified dolby surround snap, pop and crackle. I’m no expert tough I’m just talking from experience.
I personally use dbol only as a pre workout supplement for cortisol reduction, 10mg only. They ain’t shit but if I’m not mistaken I’ve read 10mg are enough to reduce cortisol by 70-80%. Less ‘burn’ effect in muscle effectively means more reps before going to failure I think. Anyway it sounds cool enough for me as a pre workout supplement. I have nolva at hand just in case. But I don’t get any gyno related effects until I bump dosages upwards of 50-55mg ED.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
But uh…why the hell you wanna reduce bloat I mean, hell I love dbols for the lubrication they give to joints, ligaments and what not. I did a dbol only cycle a while back and personally all I gained was some water and some gyno (60mg dbol ED ain’t bullshit.
I see no need for subcutaneous water retention. I also don’t experience the lubricating effect you are talking about.
I personally get that lubricating effect after I bump dosages up 30mg ED. In a week or so.
I never used letro, a friend has and his fucking joints where like:
‘Snap…crackle…snap…snap…’
Shit I could hear him groaning in pain.
You really are surprising me man. No lubricating effect? Try pushing the same heaviest weight without dbol after a 6 week cycle while say…doing arnie presses and enjoy the THX certified dolby surround snap, pop and crackle. I’m no expert tough I’m just talking from experience. I personally use dbol only as a pre workout supplement for cortisol reduction, 10mg only.
They ain’t shit but if I’m not mistaken I’ve read 10mg are enough to reduce cortisol by 70-80%. Less ‘burn’ effect in muscle effectively means more reps before going to failure I think. Anyway it sounds cool enough for me as a pre workout supplement. I have nolva at hand just in case. But I don’t get any gyno related effects until I bump dosages upwards of 50-55mg ED.
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I wouldn’t do a 6 week cycle of dianabol only in the first place, so I don’t really need to worry what my joints feel like when stopping the dbol because I’ll have test running for a few more weeks while my joints and tendons get used to the increased loads. Joint pain is not something I look forward too.
Can anyone verify this whole 5x increase in protein synthesis, and 70% reduction of cortisol from just 10mg/bol? I have found ZERO studies that prove this, but its on almost every board. It reminds me of that stat of EQ Deca and anavar increasing pro-collagen synthesis by 360%, 270%, and 180% respectively. There is NO study that proved that.
Has anyone seen the article that proved the dbol stat true?
Craze Ill repeat if his joints were cracking that much it was because he WAS OVERDOSING, that is not something unique to Letro, its merely that your friend was an idiot, and didnt know the signs of low E.
I agree with you stating he was an idiot. Still is, wont listen to anyone so you know, fuck it. He’ll learn from his own mistakes.
5x increase in protein synthesis??!! shit we need Mr. Roberts to confirm this one.
Bill if you reading this, please, enlighten us!
It wasn’t a finding I was aware of and I can’t verify from personal knowledge whether it exists in the literature or not.
If it does exist, then I would think it one of those odd things that yields particular numbers in some cell culture study but does not have the real world relevance one would hope for from such a dramatic figure.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It wasn’t a finding I was aware of and I can’t verify from personal knowledge whether it exists in the literature or not.
If it does exist, then I would think it one of those odd things that yields particular numbers in some cell culture study but does not have the real world relevance one would hope for from such a dramatic figure.[/quote]
In a few words it is highly improbable. In even simpler words, let’s call it bullshit. Roger that. Thanks again for your reply Bill.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cortisol
by 50-70%.
Craze Im assuming this is why you keep stating that it drops cort levels by seventy percent, its on like every forum, NEVER seen any study to back it up though.
So Bill is10mg of dbol worth it as far as “the bridge” is concerned?
This is the other one I see ALL THE TIME, even on T-Nation
There are other studies online for that tested the effectiveness of AASs on collagen synthesis. Here['s a breakdown of some of them.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen synthesis.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% - less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% - better than deca.
has anyone ever seen a study proving this??
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