[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Why don’t you set the ball rolling. This is the best way to finish cleaning up the forum. STAT.
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That’s a lot of pressure man…
A lot of pressure.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
ect0m0rph wrote:
The truth is what works for genetically gifted Frank possibly wont do much at all for little scrawny Timmy and what Bill over there is doing while injecting testosterone into his thigh quite possibly won’t do Jack shit for either of them.
I’m done arguing this stuff, I’m going to get back to growing now. 
I wasnt gonna come back to this thread, but I just have to say (then I really am done) that you are calling other people ‘trolls’ here when all you have done throughout this entire thread is throw around lame little insults, do you realise how pathetic you actually make yourself look? Do you even actually lift weights? Because you sure as hell dont sound like it.[/quote]
How do you double post half an hour apart? Or did you just think your statement was so profound it needed to be posted twice?
If you are going to mark “trolls” you better start marking yourselves.
Countingbeans
Professor X
Mr. Popular
Mr. Purple (probably the same guy)
Austin Bicep
Destroyredquads
Its funny. Just because you THINK someone is wrong, doesn’t make them a troll. But you guys coming in here bashing everyone else, claiming that you know shit, and that you are somehow trying to protect bodybuilding information. Those are the real trolls. Its clear that you guys are anti-social and cant get alont with people because you think you are alpha and everyone else is not entitled to an opinion.
You’ve probably bashed all your “friends” in RL and now have none, so you have to come on the forums and do it here. Seriously someone should ban or at least mark these guys.
I think most people can see it, but dont want to say anything on the forum, because you guys will unleash you wrath that is trolldom. You start flaming, because thats all you know how to do. A true sign of a troll and a weak mind. And Ive gotten plenty of private messages of people thanking me for my SOUND advice, but they are too scared that the T-Nation trolls will outcast them.
So, all of the people that have actually made progress are the trolls?
[quote]dankid wrote:
If you are going to mark “trolls” you better start marking yourselves.
Counting beans
Professor X
Mr. Popular
Mr. Purple (probably the same guy)
Austin Bicep
Destroyredquads
Its funny. Just because you THINK someone is wrong, doesn’t make them a troll. But you guys coming in here bashing everyone else, claiming that you know shit, and that you are somehow trying to protect bodybuilding information. Those are the real trolls. Its clear that you guys are anti-social and cant get alont with people because you think you are alpha and everyone else is not entitled to an opinion.
You’ve probably bashed all your “friends” in RL and now have none, so you have to come on the forums and do it here. Seriously someone should ban or at least mark these guys.
I think most people can see it, but dont want to say anything on the forum, because you guys will unleash you wrath that is trolldom. You start flaming, because thats all you know how to do. A true sign of a troll and a weak mind. And Ive gotten plenty of private messages of people thanking me for my SOUND advice, but they are too scared that the T-Nation trolls will outcast them.[/quote]
Lol, two days in a row one of you delusional bastards made me bust out laughing at work.
Pretty pumped I made the top of the list though. I’m flattered. (But it’s all one word “countingbeans”. Can you edit your post? Thanks!)
[quote]Lock wrote:
So, all of the people that have actually made progress are the trolls?[/quote]
Yes, and juiced up gear monkeys too. Because ya know, we do splits. lol
I love this thread now.
[quote]dankid wrote:
If you are going to mark “trolls” you better start marking yourselves.
Counting beans
Professor X
Mr. Popular
Mr. Purple (probably the same guy)
Austin Bicep
Destroyredquads
Its funny. Just because you THINK someone is wrong, doesn’t make them a troll. But you guys coming in here bashing everyone else, claiming that you know shit, and that you are somehow trying to protect bodybuilding information. Those are the real trolls. Its clear that you guys are anti-social and cant get alont with people because you think you are alpha and everyone else is not entitled to an opinion.
You’ve probably bashed all your “friends” in RL and now have none, so you have to come on the forums and do it here. Seriously someone should ban or at least mark these guys.
I think most people can see it, but dont want to say anything on the forum, because you guys will unleash you wrath that is trolldom. You start flaming, because thats all you know how to do. A true sign of a troll and a weak mind. And Ive gotten plenty of private messages of people thanking me for my SOUND advice, but they are too scared that the T-Nation trolls will outcast them.[/quote]
FWIW, I think everyone in this thread is incorrectly using the term troll. A troll is someone who logs in and posts controversial things strictly to get reactions from people. I think you post because you actually believe what you’re writing. I think you’re wrong and that no one should listen to you, but that certainly doesn’t make you a troll. The same actually goes for NP - I don’t think he’s very bright, but I think he sincerely believes what he’s writing and isn’t just trying to get everyone riled up.
Also, none of the people you posted are trolls, either.
I feel like I’ve said this before…
Your right Bob Sagat.
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/10_commandments.htm
Im guilty of number 5 usually sometimes 4 and maybe 7 once in a while. The others i listed are guilty of 10 most of the time.
[quote]dankid wrote:
If you are going to mark “trolls” you better start marking yourselves.
Countingbeans
Professor X
Mr. Popular
Mr. Purple (probably the same guy)
Austin Bicep
Destroyredquads
Its funny. Just because you THINK someone is wrong, doesn’t make them a troll. But you guys coming in here bashing everyone else, claiming that you know shit, and that you are somehow trying to protect bodybuilding information. Those are the real trolls. Its clear that you guys are anti-social and cant get alont with people because you think you are alpha and everyone else is not entitled to an opinion.
You’ve probably bashed all your “friends” in RL and now have none, so you have to come on the forums and do it here. Seriously someone should ban or at least mark these guys.
I think most people can see it, but dont want to say anything on the forum, because you guys will unleash you wrath that is trolldom. You start flaming, because thats all you know how to do. A true sign of a troll and a weak mind. And Ive gotten plenty of private messages of people thanking me for my SOUND advice, but they are too scared that the T-Nation trolls will outcast them.[/quote]
Dude, anyone sending you private messages about how great your information is, is likely even more turned around than you are. You are in a bodybuilding forum telling everyone who has made a lot of progress that they are wrong and don’t know what they are talking about…unlike you who is neither big nor very strong but who thinks they know how to achieve these things better than those who actually did.
The fact that you may not be a troll is not a compliment. If you actually do believe most of what you write…I just feel sorry for you.
By the way, if I’m a troll, I must be the first one flown to the headquarters of the site I post on to meet the guys who started it.
I guess I’ll just keep “trolling”.
Holy shit, I’m on a list. Now I know how celebrities feel.
I knew there was a reason you never see me and Mr.Popular post in the same post. (eh? nevermind…)
dankid will forever be the undeveloped guy in the corner shouting “steroids” at every one around him that can actually move some weight.
Let’s just all leave him to it.
A little knowledge really CAN be a dangerous thing. Who knew?
The worst of T-Nation sounds like a good idea to me.
In response to what LankyMofo is saying, these aren’t necessarily “trolls”, they’re just idiots. But it’s all the same effect, since these are people with seemingly no interest in bodybuilding - some of them downright despise bodybuilders - yet they inexplicably hang around here and give advice to everyone.
If we’re going to have a sticky that is designed to help point beginners in the right direction, and show them what TO do, and who to listen to, then it only stands to reason that we should also have a sticky detailing what NOT to do, and who they shouldn’t listen to.
If I feel confident that enough people would vote to make it a sticky, I will create it. I’ll keep it as diplomatic as possible, with the worst offenders mentioned in passing, but it will mostly just be a sticky about general bad advice and things that will hold you back and hurt your progress.
Not to get off topic, but my post is probably just as pointless to the topic as this thread has now become…
Hey Prof X I like your icon pics. Do you make them yourself or what?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
but it will mostly just be a sticky about general bad advice and things that will hold you back and hurt your progress.[/quote]
I think that would be a good idea to be honest.
Maybe have a brainstorm thread to get the pulse of people, and then compile it into a sticky?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
The worst of T-Nation sounds like a good idea to me.
In response to what LankyMofo is saying, these aren’t necessarily “trolls”, they’re just idiots. But it’s all the same effect, since these are people with seemingly no interest in bodybuilding - some of them downright despise bodybuilders - yet they inexplicably hang around here and give advice to everyone.
If we’re going to have a sticky that is designed to help point beginners in the right direction, and show them what TO do, and who to listen to, then it only stands to reason that we should also have a sticky detailing what NOT to do, and who they shouldn’t listen to.
If I feel confident that enough people would vote to make it a sticky, I will create it. I’ll keep it as diplomatic as possible, with the worst offenders mentioned in passing, but it will mostly just be a sticky about general bad advice and things that will hold you back and hurt your progress.[/quote]
Then dankid would have to be high on that list…he is the one that started that “Why I don’t want to bench 405” thread right? Not going to waste my time looking so sorry if it was someone else. One of the reasons was he didn’t have the time to spend or didn’t want to? As I said in that thread, he’d rather spend an obscene amount of time posting in forums about lifting and/or bodybuilding then get serious about…good thinking!
[quote]JMAX wrote:
Not to get off topic, but my post is probably just as pointless to the topic as this thread has now become…
Hey Prof X I like your icon pics. Do you make them yourself or what? [/quote]
IronDwarf on this site, the guy who draws the pictures in MuscleMag, did that for me.
He made others that I haven’t put up yet.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
dankid wrote:
If you are going to mark “trolls” you better start marking yourselves.
Counting beans
Professor X
Mr. Popular
Mr. Purple (probably the same guy)
Austin Bicep
Destroyredquads
Its funny. Just because you THINK someone is wrong, doesn’t make them a troll. But you guys coming in here bashing everyone else, claiming that you know shit, and that you are somehow trying to protect bodybuilding information. Those are the real trolls. Its clear that you guys are anti-social and cant get alont with people because you think you are alpha and everyone else is not entitled to an opinion.
You’ve probably bashed all your “friends” in RL and now have none, so you have to come on the forums and do it here. Seriously someone should ban or at least mark these guys.
I think most people can see it, but dont want to say anything on the forum, because you guys will unleash you wrath that is trolldom. You start flaming, because thats all you know how to do. A true sign of a troll and a weak mind. And Ive gotten plenty of private messages of people thanking me for my SOUND advice, but they are too scared that the T-Nation trolls will outcast them.
FWIW, I think everyone in this thread is incorrectly using the term troll. A troll is someone who logs in and posts controversial things strictly to get reactions from people. I think you post because you actually believe what you’re writing. I think you’re wrong and that no one should listen to you, but that certainly doesn’t make you a troll. The same actually goes for NP - I don’t think he’s very bright, but I think he sincerely believes what he’s writing and isn’t just trying to get everyone riled up.
Also, none of the people you posted are trolls, either.
I feel like I’ve said this before…
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Aw, now you’re just posting to stir shit up ;')
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IronDwarf on this site, the guy who draws the pictures in MuscleMag, did that for me.
He made others that I haven’t put up yet.[/quote]
Well great job IronDwarf. I think this one’s pretty badass…he should make one for me without the X and minus 30lbs of muscle lol.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
KyleT wrote:
If your goal is to look like a bodybuilder with 20" arms then do a split routine. It allows you to put the effort needed into individual bodyparts. If your goal is to look like a powerlifter with a 600 lb deadlift, then look into full body training. Let the bodybuilders take advantage of their split routine and the strength athletes take advantage of their TBT. Different strokes for different folks is what it comes down to. Of course many will disagree with this statement since split routines are the be all end all of training.
STOP THINKING IN CATEGORIES. That’s the only thing I’ve been trying to say this entire thread. Stop thinking in absolutes. The fact that you still think in terms of “splits” and “TBT” only for certain groups shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Like, I’m trying to find the words to convey this to you. You’re in a Catch-22, it’s like think of it this way. You’re playing a game, and you’re winning, but you don’t know that you’re playing the game. As soon as you realize that you are playing the game and that you are winning, you lose. Just by saying that statement that bodybuilders should do “split training” and powerlifters should do “TBT” shows your ignorance.
All methods of training are training splits, TBT and 6+ bodypart splits are just opposite ends of a spectrum. TBT, if tailored correctly, can do things splits are better suited for, Splits, if tailored correctly, can do the things TBT does well. [/quote]
My point was to show the usefullness of each method, not tell everyone what they should do. Do you know why a full body routine works Mr. Knowitall? Do you understand the advantage it can have over a split routine for certain individuals?
And I also understand this is a BB forum which is why some of my posts say the things they do.
[quote]KyleT wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
KyleT wrote:
If your goal is to look like a bodybuilder with 20" arms then do a split routine. It allows you to put the effort needed into individual bodyparts. If your goal is to look like a powerlifter with a 600 lb deadlift, then look into full body training. Let the bodybuilders take advantage of their split routine and the strength athletes take advantage of their TBT. Different strokes for different folks is what it comes down to. Of course many will disagree with this statement since split routines are the be all end all of training.
STOP THINKING IN CATEGORIES. That’s the only thing I’ve been trying to say this entire thread. Stop thinking in absolutes. The fact that you still think in terms of “splits” and “TBT” only for certain groups shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Like, I’m trying to find the words to convey this to you. You’re in a Catch-22, it’s like think of it this way. You’re playing a game, and you’re winning, but you don’t know that you’re playing the game. As soon as you realize that you are playing the game and that you are winning, you lose. Just by saying that statement that bodybuilders should do “split training” and powerlifters should do “TBT” shows your ignorance.
All methods of training are training splits, TBT and 6+ bodypart splits are just opposite ends of a spectrum. TBT, if tailored correctly, can do things splits are better suited for, Splits, if tailored correctly, can do the things TBT does well.
My point was to show the usefullness of each method, not tell everyone what they should do. Do you know why a full body routine works Mr. Knowitall? Do you understand the advantage it can have over a split routine for certain individuals?
And I also understand this is a BB forum which is why some of my posts say the things they do.[/quote]
You missed his point completely. The only reason these categories exist is because personal trainers selling books were trying to make weight lifting cool for every half assed lifter the world over. That is why they were initially introduced to those who claimed they simply could not find the time to train more than maybe 2 or 3 times a week…thus they grouped body parts together in such a way as to allow this to happen…and then made broad claims that this was somehow better.
Why?
So you would buy their book.
No one used to separate “splits and ‘full body training’” like this because the whole goal was to simply group muscles in whatever way that individual needed in order to see progress.
The fact that many newbs AND YOU don’t know this or can’t see it is what he was referring to. You all think of this in terms of categories because that is all you know. You actually think the choice is “TBT” or “splits” …when that shouldn’t even be the thought process of someone looking to make the most progress that they can.
I train mostly one body part a day because that is what my body needs to make progress the way I am.
Most of you are doing shit just to say you are doing “insert author’s great new program here” like it is a fashionable pair of jeans.
You all read these threads and misunderstand what is being said…because you aren’t really listening.
Kyle T , obviously you “opinions” dont matter. Because the fact that YOU are able to recognize the difference betewen TBT and splits shows that you are a newb (sarcasm).
I agree with you 100%. Its not that one way is better than the other or not, its knowing how and when to use what and why.
And X’s response just goes to show his arrogance. Basically he cant even comprehend anything outside of his own world, and thus evertyhing that is different is newb. Way to go. A true sign of a small person.
If a person is training their entire body in one day or one session, they are doing TBT. If they are not, they are doing a split. I dont see any way around this. Its not a classification that “newbs” only see. Its the way it is.
If you dont want to discuss the advantages/disadvantages of splits vs. TBT and the implications then go somewhere else. Some of us here are clearly interested and have a pretty objective opinion on the matter.
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
Enough of a rant: For those who are actually interested, heres “my take”
There are probably two important factors when choosing between a split and TBT
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OF TIMES YOU ARE GOING TO TRAIN PER WEEK. If you are only able to get to the gym 2-3x per week, then TBT is likely the best bet. If you are going to go 4-7x then TBT is a bad idea, and a split is probably needed.
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STRENGTH LEVELS - IMO TBT is superior for developing strength, especially in beginners. Something like starting strength, where you are able to “practice” the lifts frequently will likely get you up to bigger weights faster. As you progress, you will start to plateu, and will either need to decrease the frequency (and amount of muscles worked per session) or cut back on the volume. This is individual, but most will go to less frequency and go with upper/lower or maybe a split.
I see it as simple as that. And is no different for “bodybuilding”. You get strong, you eat, you get big.