[quote]dankid wrote:
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
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OK, now I am sure you are either a troll…or someone who shouldn’t be allowed to live on their own without a counselor.
It now takes 640 days to train your entire body working one body part a day? Who knew. Here I’ve been doing this for several years and I didn’t even know it was impossible.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dankid wrote:
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
OK, now I am sure you are either a troll…or someone who shouldn’t be allowed to live on their own without a counselor.
It now takes 640 days to train your entire body working one body part a day? Who knew. Here I’ve been doing this for several years and I didn’t even know it was impossible.[/quote]
lol does everybody take X words distorted and against him all the time? That would lead us to the isolation topic; it’s just stupid to think you can train only 1 out of 640 muscles in the body.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dankid wrote:
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
OK, now I am sure you are either a troll…or someone who shouldn’t be allowed to live on their own without a counselor.
It now takes 640 days to train your entire body working one body part a day? Who knew. Here I’ve been doing this for several years and I didn’t even know it was impossible.[/quote]
When you say “Body Part” apparently, he exercises his ability to go leaping wildly to the conclusion of reading it “an individual muscle”. So either he is that dumb, or ridicule troll has failed, ridiculously.
I’m off to work my left buccinator now, I’ll do the right after I recover.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Kyle T , obviously you “opinions” dont matter. Because the fact that YOU are able to recognize the difference betewen TBT and splits shows that you are a newb (sarcasm).
I agree with you 100%. Its not that one way is better than the other or not, its knowing how and when to use what and why.
And X’s response just goes to show his arrogance. Basically he cant even comprehend anything outside of his own world, and thus evertyhing that is different is newb. Way to go. A true sign of a small person.
If a person is training their entire body in one day or one session, they are doing TBT. If they are not, they are doing a split. I dont see any way around this. Its not a classification that “newbs” only see. Its the way it is.
If you dont want to discuss the advantages/disadvantages of splits vs. TBT and the implications then go somewhere else. Some of us here are clearly interested and have a pretty objective opinion on the matter.
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
Enough of a rant: For those who are actually interested, heres “my take”
There are probably two important factors when choosing between a split and TBT
STRENGTH LEVELS - IMO TBT is superior for developing strength, especially in beginners. Something like starting strength, where you are able to “practice” the lifts frequently will likely get you up to bigger weights faster. As you progress, you will start to plateu, and will either need to decrease the frequency (and amount of muscles worked per session) or cut back on the volume. This is individual, but most will go to less frequency and go with upper/lower or maybe a split.
I see it as simple as that. And is no different for “bodybuilding”. You get strong, you eat, you get big.[/quote]
Honestly this is getting rediculous… when I have an injury or something and I’m out for a bit. I’ll do TBT for the first two weeks. My thoughts being, 3 sets of one excercise per body group is going to get me sore so no need to over do it. Plus at this stage of atrophie… i’d rather get six workouts in during the first two weeks per muscle rather than 2. This helps me come back faster. After those two weeks its back to splits. It’s not rocket science. There really isn’t much to “discuss”. I didn’t need to go on a forum to figure this out. It was common sense.
Of course if you only have 2 days a week to workout then you should do TBT. You are aproaching this like you are debating some complicated issue. It boggles me that you can’t see what people are trying to tell you.
If you never lifted a weight in your life and are sedentary then doing tbt for a bit in th begining might not be a bad idea.
Some of the vets here object when people start blindly recomending it to every beginner and even those who believe it is a superior training system.
Here are my personal beliefs that i have gained from training and not some article.
1)TBT is not superior for strength gains
2)95% of the people who do better on TBT after doing a split do so because of the following reasons.
a)Their diet sucks so they could never recover from their split training and finally get some results with reduced volume.
b)Their workout program sucked.. focused on the wrong things.. too many excercises and too little focus on progression etc. Just doing every arm excercise you can think of on arm day is not the idea!!! Many different mistakes made here.
c)really bad genetics.. which is rare.. most likely a or b. A clasic hardgainer routine has always been very simple because their issue is recovery.
So again and again and again…you have the “article” guys who read that tbt is better just regurgitating what they read coming on here. And you have the guys who fall into the 95% category who either don’t know how to train in the first place coming in here and spouting off their terrible advice.
[quote]destroyedquads wrote:
you do what fucking works the best. not what ‘builds some muscle’. I can squeeze my dick for two hours a day and that will ‘build some muscle’. there are NO impressively developed bodybuilders nowadays that use or have used predominantly tbt.
It’s funny how these tbt nut-huggers pull up examples of men from 50 years ago to try and defend their shitty training methodologies. THIS JUST IN: bodybuilding has evolved. You want to show me a handful of examples from last century when this sport was only JUST being born and men were only just experimenting about what is the right way to train? Well i will tell you to LOOK THE FUCK AROUND and see what people who are big and strong do?
Oh wait… but these guys are popping buckets of steroids up their asses and have incredible genetics? And whats that I hear… your genetics aren’t as good? well if your genetics suck so much that you can’t use a toned down version that has allowed thousands of people to gain large amounts of muscle… then find a new fucking hobby.[/quote]
You can build muscle from squeezing your dick? Could you elaborate a bit on form because I must be doing something wrong.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
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lol Thanks Dankid
[quote]dankid wrote:
Oh and X, I doubt you train one muscle per day. That would take you about 640 days to hit each muscle give or take. Maybe thats whats best for you though.
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lol Thanks Dankid
Seems to take a while to build up the ability to recover… Even after diet and sleep hygiene are in place.
We should have this thread stickied to the the top. Once and for all. Seems these kinds of threads get made every freakin’ month.
So, uh, can someone explain to me why dankid continues to post in a bodybuilding forum?
[quote]canes1531 wrote:
So, uh, can someone explain to me why dankid continues to post in a bodybuilding forum?[/quote]
Ive actually explained this a number of times. I go to school, work, have a GF, play video games, train, etc. Training is right up there at the top of my priorities, but I do it becaue I enjoy it. I could care less what peopl on here think of me, dont care really how big my arms are, and have no interest in benching 405+. If I cared about these things, I would achieve them. I do it because I like it. And I post here, because there are MANY that are similar to me.
[quote]dankid wrote:
canes1531 wrote:
So, uh, can someone explain to me why dankid continues to post in a bodybuilding forum?
Ive actually explained this a number of times. I go to school, work, have a GF, play video games, train, etc. Training is right up there at the top of my priorities, but I do it becaue I enjoy it. I could care less what peopl on here think of me, dont care really how big my arms are, and have no interest in benching 405+. If I cared about these things, I would achieve them. I do it because I like it. And I post here, because there are MANY that are similar to me.[/quote]
Lies. All lies.
[quote]dankid wrote:
canes1531 wrote:
So, uh, can someone explain to me why dankid continues to post in a bodybuilding forum?
Ive actually explained this a number of times. I go to school, work, have a GF, play video games, train, etc. Training is right up there at the top of my priorities, but I do it becaue I enjoy it. I could care less what peopl on here think of me, dont care really how big my arms are, and have no interest in benching 405+. If I cared about these things, I would achieve them. I do it because I like it. And I post here, because there are MANY that are similar to me.[/quote]
LOL. Because the fact that the world is literally FILLED with idiots justifies their point of view.
[quote]dankid wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
nor do we hate people that use PED’s.
I do. Thats the pussiest shit ever.
A little quote from Kelly Bagget’s article “becoming a fast twitch machine”
"**Note: I am not advocating drug use but I feel it would be foolish not to mention it, especially considering the studies that demonstrate testosterone stimulates exercise independent muscle growth.
Users sitting on their butt doing absolutely nothing still gain nearly twice as much muscle as natural trainees who train their butt off. Now you know why there aren’t many innocent olympians."
This fact, along with individual differences makes just about anything beyond discussing theory a complete waste of time.
Ectomorph showed a pretty clear understanding of what was going on in the pre-steroids era, and im sure the OP has a pretty open mind. The point of all of this? It doesn’t matter how big some guy is or claims to be, if they try to state they know something like “TBT is inferior for size” or “This program is superior for growth” chances are they dont know shit, or even the basic principles. I dont care if Ronnie Coleman were to knock on my door and tell me that splits are the shit, i’d tell him he were an idiot if he tried to make some claim that you cant build a great physique without using a split.
These type of things are just trends, like low-carb dieting. Split training was poplarized by steroid using bodybuilders and magazines, and thus every kid growing up wanted to do a “bodybuilding split”. They work, thats for sure. But this trend does not dismiss TBT or anything else. If steroids had not become so prevelant, then all the “advanced” members would be sitting on here arguing that TBT is superior to split training.
Its the same thing with macronutrients. People got all tied up in the small details, and that you need to be taking in 300-400g of protein a day. And then there are those that say carbs are where its at, and those that say low carb is the way to go. When in fact, in the end it all comes down to total calories.
Labeling a program as a split, or TBT or upper/lower is just a minor detail, really all that matters is that you get stronger. IMO the less advanced you are, the fewer exercises you should use, but with more frequency. This favors TBT. As you get more advanced, a lower frequency, and possibly more variations are needed, and thus some form of split becomes more viable.
Setting some individual differences aside, for people to get pretty darn cloe to their natural genetic limit, split training and TBT are going to be very similar in effectiveness. Based on those individual differences, there will need to be little tweaks here and there. If you are training with TBT and your posterior delts are lagging, you simply do less pressing and more pulling, and maybe add some isolated posterior delt work.
I could talk out of my ass all day, but i’ll let some of the “alphas” bullshit for a bit.
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Users sitting on their butt doing absolutely nothing still gain nearly twice as much muscle as natural trainees who train their butt off. Now you know why there aren’t many innocent olympians."
^ Anyone who would make a comment like that obviously knows nothing about steroids and needs to shut the fuckin trapper until they know what they are speaking of. I have read a lot of stupid things on this site, but that has to be in the top 5 for the most ignorant comments. My god! Do people actually believe this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
KyleT wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
KyleT wrote:
If your goal is to look like a bodybuilder with 20" arms then do a split routine. It allows you to put the effort needed into individual bodyparts. If your goal is to look like a powerlifter with a 600 lb deadlift, then look into full body training. Let the bodybuilders take advantage of their split routine and the strength athletes take advantage of their TBT. Different strokes for different folks is what it comes down to. Of course many will disagree with this statement since split routines are the be all end all of training.
STOP THINKING IN CATEGORIES. That’s the only thing I’ve been trying to say this entire thread. Stop thinking in absolutes. The fact that you still think in terms of “splits” and “TBT” only for certain groups shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Like, I’m trying to find the words to convey this to you. You’re in a Catch-22, it’s like think of it this way. You’re playing a game, and you’re winning, but you don’t know that you’re playing the game. As soon as you realize that you are playing the game and that you are winning, you lose. Just by saying that statement that bodybuilders should do “split training” and powerlifters should do “TBT” shows your ignorance.
All methods of training are training splits, TBT and 6+ bodypart splits are just opposite ends of a spectrum. TBT, if tailored correctly, can do things splits are better suited for, Splits, if tailored correctly, can do the things TBT does well.
My point was to show the usefullness of each method, not tell everyone what they should do. Do you know why a full body routine works Mr. Knowitall? Do you understand the advantage it can have over a split routine for certain individuals?
And I also understand this is a BB forum which is why some of my posts say the things they do.
You missed his point completely. The only reason these categories exist is because personal trainers selling books were trying to make weight lifting cool for every half assed lifter the world over. That is why they were initially introduced to those who claimed they simply could not find the time to train more than maybe 2 or 3 times a week…thus they grouped body parts together in such a way as to allow this to happen…and then made broad claims that this was somehow better.
Why?
So you would buy their book.
No one used to separate “splits and ‘full body training’” like this because the whole goal was to simply group muscles in whatever way that individual needed in order to see progress.
The fact that many newbs AND YOU don’t know this or can’t see it is what he was referring to. You all think of this in terms of categories because that is all you know. You actually think the choice is “TBT” or “splits” …when that shouldn’t even be the thought process of someone looking to make the most progress that they can.
I train mostly one body part a day because that is what my body needs to make progress the way I am.
Most of you are doing shit just to say you are doing “insert author’s great new program here” like it is a fashionable pair of jeans.
You all read these threads and misunderstand what is being said…because you aren’t really listening.[/quote]
I am throwing routine styles into categories because they are similar to each other or work in the same fashion. Generally a program which you train movements or exercises is going to fall under TBT (I hate this term BTW) while a program that trains a muscle group is going to be called a split routine. I don’t understand how seeing this difference makes me ignorant. One you may train the squat or press 3x per week (obviously at different volumes and intensities) while the other may train legs, arms, back or some other group of muscles on it’s own day.
Anyone who has done a real full body routine will tell you that it isn’t for “half asses” lifters. You wouldn’t know this though since you’ve been training with splits since day one. Also your comment about how programs that would have you train the same exercise multiple times per week (falls into TBT category) were invented solely to sell books is pretty funny.
[quote]dankid wrote:
canes1531 wrote:
So, uh, can someone explain to me why dankid continues to post in a bodybuilding forum?
Ive actually explained this a number of times. I go to school, work, have a GF, play video games, train, etc. Training is right up there at the top of my priorities, but I do it becaue I enjoy it. I could care less what peopl on here think of me, dont care really how big my arms are, and have no interest in benching 405+. If I cared about these things, I would achieve them. I do it because I like it. And I post here, because there are MANY that are similar to me.[/quote]
You didn’t answer the question my friend.
‘Bodybuilding’ is about creating an impressive physique, and that often involves making muscles bigger. You obviously don’t care much about ‘Bodybuilding’ in the sense that everyone else on this site refers to it, so why post on this particular forum?
That is not to say I do not agree with some of what you are saying. But you are stirring shit up on a forum that you don’t belong to, talking shit to more experienced trainers who have accomplished more as that counts as nothing towards their opinion. You are wasting your time and others’.
O well, I thought I was gonna start a conversation about splits vs TBT.
As far as I know, all major bodybuilders use splits at least most of the time. Juiced or not.
[quote]dankid wrote:
And I post here, because there are MANY that are similar to me.[/quote]
Who?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. Because the fact that the world is literally FILLED with idiots justifies their point of view.[/quote]
sometimes mayority makes people feel powerful, no matter how UN-powerful they are by themselves.
[quote]ect0m0rph wrote:
The truth is what works for genetically gifted Frank possibly wont do much at all for little scrawny Timmy and what Bill over there is doing while injecting testosterone into his thigh quite possibly won’t do Jack shit for either of them.[/quote]
I have no idea whether common names were simply being pulled from a hat, or whether the last of them is a reference to me. Doesn’t matter, either way is fine.
If however the latter, I should point out that I take care to make distinction, on those relatively rare occasions of discussing my own training, of mentioning if I happen to be androgen-assisted when that is the case.
For example, if I were using added androgens in the current Gironda 8x8 extreme high volume program, I would have mentioned it, as it would be relevant.
And I don’t in other instances wind up advocating volume inappropriate for naturals when that is the context.
While it’s true that some that use PED’s develop a “who cares, nothing is going to come of my training anyway while I’m ‘off’ so I’ll just mostly blow off my training” attitude, there are also some who are ‘off’ a major percentage of the time and work as hard as they can then as well, and so are able to discuss unassisted training because they do a lot of it.