My Modified Bulgarian Program

[quote]fabiop wrote:

That’s what happened towards the end of last week; I took Saturday off, sunday & monday reduced the volume of the ramp (via higher jumps between sets) and ditched BOS. Today it was much better, weights felt lighter than last week…and meet day is actually on Saturday 20th! I’ll keep you all updated even if I’m far from being a strong lifter like some of you.

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Great, do keep us updated. I said this earlier but I definitely noticed that as I progressed in the program I slowly started dropping off the BOS. I still do them but not every day any more. Sometimes I feel fine having jut worked up to my top set for that day. Other days, like yesterday I hit my top set and feel so good that I shoot for another top set PR instead of doing the BOS. Modify as it goes. We are all pioneers in using this for PL!

C4G

[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

1.) That’s a nice raw squat. No vid?
2.) Don’t flatter yourself.
3.) I wasn’t saying that no intermediate or advanced lifters are using some form of daily maxes in their training, but whenever a thread like this pops up on here and elsewhere, it typically comes from beginners (like the OP). And I don’t necessarily agree that the approach you suggest is the best choice for beginners.
4.) I have nothing against the training ideas you suggest at all. Actually, I do the daily max+back-off thing for oly squats 5-6 days/week for some time now and I’m not a beginner. But, to be honest I don’t know what there is to talk about since this type of training is so incredibly simple to set up and apply.
5.) Btw, Ivan had his lifters train up to 6h/day with the going-to-max mentality, so calling the training we discuss here as “Modified Bulgarian training” is stretching it imo.[/quote]

Understandable, I will make sure to tell Jamie Lewis, Eric Talmant, and the other lifters at RUM that run a similar method that a lifter who has not achieved CMS level yet disagrees with them comparing their training to Abejaev’s next time I see them. Good day. Probably will not be responding to any more of your posts. GL with training.

C4G
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Pathetic response.

C4G, how would you recommend one to train with Sheiko? I’ve looked at the excel template for #29/#32 and some of the more common ones and it looks like the workload is very little and light (especially after going through higher volume/intensity training regimen).

[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:

We are all pioneers in using this for PL!

C4G
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That feels awesome!

[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:

[quote]fabiop wrote:

That’s what happened towards the end of last week; I took Saturday off, sunday & monday reduced the volume of the ramp (via higher jumps between sets) and ditched BOS. Today it was much better, weights felt lighter than last week…and meet day is actually on Saturday 20th! I’ll keep you all updated even if I’m far from being a strong lifter like some of you.

EDIT for typos[/quote]

Great, do keep us updated. I said this earlier but I definitely noticed that as I progressed in the program I slowly started dropping off the BOS. I still do them but not every day any more. Sometimes I feel fine having jut worked up to my top set for that day. Other days, like yesterday I hit my top set and feel so good that I shoot for another top set PR instead of doing the BOS. Modify as it goes. We are all pioneers in using this for PL!

C4G
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This is what I meant earlier in the thread about “back off sets by feel” - not that I would give up on a bad day, but that I would use judgement a bit and adjust based on how the session was going.
I wonder whether the back-offs are more or less important for a less advanced vs more advanced lifter… I suppose it varies a lot…

I also wonder how this method could apply to equipped lifters, particularly those who train raw for much of the year; I can imagine that some principals would transfer. Steve Goggins for example used singles rather than varied reps when preparing for an equipped meet.

Perhaps a few raw max + back off sessions and one session in gear with the least amount of weight allowable with full competition technique per week would be effective off-season… But now I’m just rambling.

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

1.) That’s a nice raw squat. No vid?
2.) Don’t flatter yourself.
3.) I wasn’t saying that no intermediate or advanced lifters are using some form of daily maxes in their training, but whenever a thread like this pops up on here and elsewhere, it typically comes from beginners (like the OP). And I don’t necessarily agree that the approach you suggest is the best choice for beginners.
4.) I have nothing against the training ideas you suggest at all. Actually, I do the daily max+back-off thing for oly squats 5-6 days/week for some time now and I’m not a beginner. But, to be honest I don’t know what there is to talk about since this type of training is so incredibly simple to set up and apply.
5.) Btw, Ivan had his lifters train up to 6h/day with the going-to-max mentality, so calling the training we discuss here as “Modified Bulgarian training” is stretching it imo.[/quote]

Understandable, I will make sure to tell Jamie Lewis, Eric Talmant, and the other lifters at RUM that run a similar method that a lifter who has not achieved CMS level yet disagrees with them comparing their training to Abejaev’s next time I see them. Good day. Probably will not be responding to any more of your posts. GL with training.

C4G
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Pathetic response. [/quote]

Go back under your bridge.

C4G, thanks again for taking the time to share some of your knowledge.

[quote]Rock978 wrote:

C4G, thanks again for taking the time to share some of your knowledge.
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Thanks bud. We are all just trying to add lbs to our totals as efficiently as possible.

C4G

[quote]shffl wrote:
C4G, how would you recommend one to train with Sheiko? I’ve looked at the excel template for #29/#32 and some of the more common ones and it looks like the workload is very little and light (especially after going through higher volume/intensity training regimen). [/quote]

[quote]shffl wrote:
C4G, how would you recommend one to train with Sheiko? I’ve looked at the excel template for #29/#32 and some of the more common ones and it looks like the workload is very little and light (especially after going through higher volume/intensity training regimen). [/quote]

This my friend is the flaw for the 3x week Sheiko templates IMO. I ran them and loved them but was glad to achieve CMS level rather quickly and then MS so that I could move to the 4x week and 5xweek versions.

Sheiko leaves you room to really perfect technique, hit assistance hard, and so on. The biggest reason I moved to the template I run now is due to the fact that as Abejaev stated, I believe technique with 90% + differs from 85% and under.

That being said, I think Sheiko builds great lifters, and it is proved with Sheiko’s success in his lifters.

Take Sheiko as a time to really sink your squats and build that power out of the hole, pause every bench and press it up like its your max. Every rep should be treated like a max, especially in Sheiko. Perfect form, full force into the bar.If you can find your true training max for squat/bench/DL you should be leaving the sessions drained.

Other than that I feel lifters should hit assistance as hard as humanly possible whilst running Sheiko. Sheiko’s masterpiece is in the #'s some of those bench pyramids make you 60% feel like 85 by the end of the day, the squats can be brutal if you really chose that correct weight ect. However, I am guilty of training Sheiko by feel as well. If you come in and the day is golden add 5% to every lift. If you do that and still feel like a boss, throw in a single, or throw in a double at a higher %. I am not saying do your normal 5x4@80% and then throw in 4 singls at 95 but I definitely feel if you have the energy you can throw in some 90% singles or doubles here and there. GL hope this helped.

C4G

[quote]shffl wrote:
C4G, how would you recommend one to train with Sheiko? I’ve looked at the excel template for #29/#32 and some of the more common ones and it looks like the workload is very little and light (especially after going through higher volume/intensity training regimen). [/quote]

First off 32 should NOT be used as a training cycle to make yourself stronger.

I’ve done 29 in four different cycles so thought I would chime in…First time I did the cycle as written (deadlifts, and even trying to follow the assistance loosely). Now I tend to use the percentages and volume of Sheiko templates to determine the flow of my training, but I change the template itself up a lot.

C4G is right in that if you’re having a good day you need to up the intensity some how. After I worked up to the max weight for that day if it was really easy I would challenge myself more. This may have been going for some extra reps on the last heavy set, adding bands to the following lighter sets, doing all the following lighter sets as drop sets, adding in some of your own variations of the movement after you finish all the sets for the day (CGBP, RGBP etc), doing all sets with less than 1 minute of rest, or I’ve even supersetted all the bench press and squat sets.

There are some harder days in an entire cycle and some easier days as well, so don’t be afraid to push yourself but do it wisely. If the maxes you used to program aren’t stupid high, you should be able to have some fun on the lighter days.

Unless you’ve deadlifted the way sheiko instructs and you know how your body responds, I would set up the deadlift in a way you know you can make progress. Especially considering it seems that people tend to respond very different to DL programming – use what works for you.

If you go the 29 route I would recommend moving the DL to an off day (Tues/Thur) and using Wednesday for another squat variation (fronts, or olympics if you do low bar). Like you said, 29 is not intimidating at all actually. I don’t know why people on forums build the program up to be very intense. The benching volume is probably OK as it is but you may want to use some bench variations and do them at a light-moderate weight after your main work as assistance (wise to do so on your last day of benching of the week).

There is a huge difference between acute fatigue and accumulated fatigue. Sheiko programs tend to work by accumulating fatigue and not super exhausting you on one day. This allows for flexibility in how you do things. I ran two 29 cycles back to back switching my benching days to Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. I still made great progress and killed all my sets even though I benched two days in a row.

TLDR: Challenge yourself on the easy days, be flexible with the program, don’t be afraid to add in a 4th or 5th day with other lifts you want to do.

By the way, not all templates are light…running #31 and it is much tougher than I anticipated.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

C4G, when you mention assistance and hit them hard. What are some examples of this? Also, what are your recommended cycles if you don’t mind me asking.

[quote]Sutebun wrote:

TLDR: Challenge yourself on the easy days, be flexible with the program, don’t be afraid to add in a 4th or 5th day with other lifts you want to do.

By the way, not all templates are light…running #31 and it is much tougher than I anticipated.[/quote]

I enjoyed your write up, and agree with the majority of it. In regards to throwing in an extra day, that is why I am a bigger fan of the CMS and MS cycles, however do believe a non CMS or MS lifter should not be using them being that they still have a lot of base strength gaining room.

I also liked how you spoke about #31. People usually obsess over just 29 32 37, there are other cycles from Talmant’s translations that work equally as great.

All in all good advice.

C4G

[quote]shffl wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys.

C4G, when you mention assistance and hit them hard. What are some examples of this? Also, what are your recommended cycles if you don’t mind me asking.[/quote]

I am a strong believer in modifying all these things to fit how your body works.

Strangely I was always a fan of 40 and 30, I liked their pyramids and the fact that the squat was taken to 90% on a couple of weeks. I think people do get to caught up in 32 because of that mock meet, but I love mock meets so I think it is fine to throw that in the middle when running several templates. I feel that one as a hole does not have enough volume though. Really man its just playing around with them to see what works for you, personally I always had to throw in a couple extra heavier bench sets. I also loved the 4x5 or 5x5 sets on squat even though I love heavy squatting, moderate loads (80%) for 4-5 reps for 4-5 sets really helped build the form I have today.

Assistance work wise is something I definitely feel needs to be tailored to the individual lifter. I personally do a lot of shoulder work, rows, Gms, and flys. I had fun with it though, If I felt my hammys were lagging Id throw in light RDLS and do extra hammy work. My staple assistance though is definitely rows and shoulder work. Strong lats and delts go with every part of the big three imo. Sheiko really allows you to hit assistance hard if you have the time. And when I say rows, I do a shit load of different rows, sometimes heavy sometimes light, but a staple is defintely Kroc rows, grabbing the heaviest dumbell I can and repping it for 20+ is something I attribute never having my grip fail on my in a pull to.

C4G

Interesting…I may have to play around with it some time

I did front squats and bench yesterday and prior to that I did deadlifts and cambered bar 2 board press. I can already tell that my CNS is starting to adapt what would have been a struggle witrh Sheiko felt almost light. Thanks for the words of wisdom C4G.

THIS SHIT WORKS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Meet results:

  • in kg = 200/120/210, total 530 @76.3bw

  • in lbs 440.9/264.5/462.9, total 1168.4@168.2bw

I lifted raw (only belt and wrist wraps), IPF depth on squat and pause on bench.

Previous meet PR: 1047 total

Gym maxes at the beginning of the prep (third week of August):

  • in kg = 170/105/190

  • in lbs = 374.7/231/418

As you can see I’m by no means a strong lifter, but I was stagnating at the same level for the last year, at least. Squat felt like a breeze, really, bench was a bit of a struggle (fucked up shoulder, so I’m happy anyway…), and for DL I had a psychological wall at 200kg…which I failed many times in gym.

Obviously, a big “THANK YOU” to C4G for the tapering suggestion of keeping hitting heavy shit up to the meet ! Next one is a bench-only in December, and I’m starting feeling quite confident that I’ll will destroy it :wink: !

Congrats fabio! That’s a level 1 total for the 165lb weight class, very close to a CMS I am sure you will hit it soon. Keep up the work man. More PRs to come. Our bodies are capable of amazing things.

C4G

BTW, a little glimpse into the tweaks I make into my personal program. Clearly seen in what Klovklov fan is doing as well:

If you know you suck at one part of the movement, work that part!

I am 100% supportive of training how we compete, but since we max on s/b/dl so often, tweaking a few days here and there is great.

Sometimes I will just pull off boxes if I really want to work on my lock out instead, I personally dont use cmabered bars but i am all about pausing my squats for 3-6 seconds in the hole once a week to work on explosion. I think it is more effective than the explosive training boxes can give us.

Stick to the program and you will see PRs but also tweak it the way your body needs!

C4G

[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
BTW, a little glimpse into the tweaks I make into my personal program. Clearly seen in what Klovklov fan is doing as well:

If you know you suck at one part of the movement, work that part!

I am 100% supportive of training how we compete, but since we max on s/b/dl so often, tweaking a few days here and there is great.

Sometimes I will just pull off boxes if I really want to work on my lock out instead, I personally dont use cmabered bars but i am all about pausing my squats for 3-6 seconds in the hole once a week to work on explosion. I think it is more effective than the explosive training boxes can give us.

Stick to the program and you will see PRs but also tweak it the way your body needs!

C4G[/quote]

Very good point in regards to adding a bit of WS into the program if you feel the need however I still believe in Abadjiev’s philosophy of being conservative with your exercises. Thats why I stick with the big three, front squats and board presses. I may rotate say 2 board press for a 1 or 3 board if I feel the need to certain areas of my lockout or use a cambered bar like I’m doing currently if I want to work more on strength off the chest. As far as accessory work goes I limit it to GHRs and upper back/lat work.

My programme is not set in stone and will certainly continue to evolve as time goes on.

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

1.) That’s a nice raw squat. No vid?
2.) Don’t flatter yourself.
3.) I wasn’t saying that no intermediate or advanced lifters are using some form of daily maxes in their training, but whenever a thread like this pops up on here and elsewhere, it typically comes from beginners (like the OP). And I don’t necessarily agree that the approach you suggest is the best choice for beginners.
4.) I have nothing against the training ideas you suggest at all. Actually, I do the daily max+back-off thing for oly squats 5-6 days/week for some time now and I’m not a beginner. But, to be honest I don’t know what there is to talk about since this type of training is so incredibly simple to set up and apply.
5.) Btw, Ivan had his lifters train up to 6h/day with the going-to-max mentality, so calling the training we discuss here as “Modified Bulgarian training” is stretching it imo.[/quote]

Understandable, I will make sure to tell Jamie Lewis, Eric Talmant, and the other lifters at RUM that run a similar method that a lifter who has not achieved CMS level yet disagrees with them comparing their training to Abejaev’s next time I see them. Good day. Probably will not be responding to any more of your posts. GL with training.

C4G
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Pathetic response. [/quote]

Really dude? He has done nothing but give excellent advice on here that has been of benefit to myself and other people. If you didn’t like his timing to your question or what he said fine, just move on and go back to your cave.

[quote]DmitryKlokovFan wrote:

My programme is not set in stone and will certainly continue to evolve as time goes on.
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I think that line is something important to keep in mind whilst using this program for PL. Since we are using a program designed by a weightlifter for a sport with one extra lift, and pretty different technique usages, it is important to remain flexible. Tweak things here and there to keep those constant PRs. Hell, PRing 1 lb a week would mean 48 lbs a year. I would take that steady progress over anything. Stay with it and reap the rewards. There is a reason people like Jamie Lewis, Eric Talmant, Jen Rosinger, ect are still huge competitors even in their late 30’s early 40’s. Consistency is key. Again, this is a marathon, not a sprint. Keep PRing guys. And let us know what you do different, we can all learn from each other.

I recently read an interview with PLer Greg Doucette (super strong Canadian 198 lber, elite pler and ifbb pro) now please refrain from flaming the fact that he is a known aas user, they guy works his ass off. He benches mid 500’s squats high 500/right at 600, and pulls high 600s. He is a strong believer in USING THE BIG 3 in order to GET BETTER AT THE BIG 3.

He changes up his training throughout the year, but point said, the Bulgarian method was based off of keepin it simple. Use the competition lifts to get better at the competition lifts. If you look at the minor tweaks I recommeneded, they still pretty much adhere to the standard competition lift. The pauses let you get full range of motion and the deficit does nothing but add range of motion. The box pulls are used sparingly because competition ROM should be replicated as much as possible in training ROM.

Again, keep the PRs coming guys.

C4G