[quote]DmitryKlokovFan wrote:
For everyone else wanting to ask questions about Bulgarian training, either start your own damn thread and/or log instead of hijacking mine.[/quote]
Sorry for hijacking your thread, man. Just didn’t feel like opening another thread about the same subjetc…
By the way, well into my third week of bulgarian training, I’ve recently included some heavy pulling (as per C4G advie), and I’m hitting my old competition PRs almost every other day. Still haven’t broke any of them, but I’m quite confident for meet day (19th october).
[quote]DmitryKlokovFan wrote:
For everyone else wanting to ask questions about Bulgarian training, either start your own damn thread and/or log instead of hijacking mine.[/quote]
Sorry for hijacking your thread, man. Just didn’t feel like opening another thread about the same subjetc…
By the way, well into my third week of bulgarian training, I’ve recently included some heavy pulling (as per C4G advie), and I’m hitting my old competition PRs almost every other day. Still haven’t broke any of them, but I’m quite confident for meet day (19th october).
Ops…I did it again ![/quote]
It’s alright man. Actually I had gotten into an argument with my gf and unloaded my frustration so if anyone should apologize its me. I did my second day today. Deads were meh, stopped at 430 because bar speed was awfully slow but board presses went pretty good with a 250x1 PR
[quote]infinite_shore wrote: @C4G: what are your current numbers for the big 3 and what do you hit on most days? I’m curious as you are not a beginner like the majority of people attracted to this style of lifting. [/quote]
[quote]DmitryKlokovFan wrote:
I did my third day of training(front squats+BOS and working up to 95% of Monday’s max on BP). It went really great.[/quote]
[quote]DmitryKlokovFan wrote:
For everyone else wanting to ask questions about Bulgarian training, either start your own damn thread and/or log instead of hijacking mine.[/quote]
Sorry for hijacking your thread, man. Just didn’t feel like opening another thread about the same subjetc…
By the way, well into my third week of bulgarian training, I’ve recently included some heavy pulling (as per C4G advie), and I’m hitting my old competition PRs almost every other day. Still haven’t broke any of them, but I’m quite confident for meet day (19th october).
Ops…I did it again ![/quote]
Awesome, again, do not be deterred if you hit a rough patch in the begging. Your body needs to adapt.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote: @C4G: what are your current numbers for the big 3 and what do you hit on most days? I’m curious as you are not a beginner like the majority of people attracted to this style of lifting. [/quote]
So?[/quote]
I squat in the low-mid 600’s bench in the low 400’s and pull in the high 600’s. Looking for 625-430-700 at a spring meet I do. Hopefully more on squat but who knows, shits going well lately.
BTW. I do not devote time to this site every day, so your “So?” post was kind of weird/stalkerish. I would also say your statement, “noob like the majority of people attracted to this training” is incorrect. Look at Eric Talmant, Jamie Lewis, Damian petzfdfoisjoie. There are plenty of top name current or previous WR holders that use a modified version. There are also plenty of Elite+ lifters using it.
I would agree with C4G that there are many elite lifters using some version of a Bulgarian type system.
I think many of these guys are reluctant to enter into Internet discussions about their programming and be criticized by those who have never tried similar programming, so they tend to fly under the radar.
Because there isn’t a lot that has been written over the years about this type of programming for powerlifting in comparison to other programs it is hard to get into an argument with someone who can’t bench 225 who says you are going to injure yourself if you do that. So instead of entering into these type of pointless discussions these guys hit the weights everyday in an effort to keep bettering their numbers.
DBasler, I think you are absolutely correct. Which is a big reason why I do not really discuss on forums the exact template I run for this program. I thought it would be okay to roughly discuss how to format the introductory phase and a basic template for it. Luckily there has not really been much flaming in here so I will stay for a bit.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
DBasler, I think you are absolutely correct. Which is a big reason why I do not really discuss on forums the exact template I run for this program. I thought it would be okay to roughly discuss how to format the introductory phase and a basic template for it. Luckily there has not really been much flaming in here so I will stay for a bit.
C4G[/quote]
For the record, f those guys. I am following this thread and will be glad to soak up anything you are willing to toss out there. So thanks for posting what you have posted already.
Nice squat ^. I do however feel this method is used more with raw raw squatters. One of our lifters wraps every now and then but even he normal trains his squat raw and will throw in the wraps maybe 2 times a week out of 6 days of squatting if doing so.
Also, in regards to your video being applicable to this thread. It is a PL forum so heavy lifting is always supported! but, the squat was not to depth and you “pre squat ritual” would go against Abejaev’s principles. Ivan was not against stimulants, but believed one should not rely on hyping themselves up for training lifts. This was part of his theory on how his elite lifters, as well as many of the worlds elite lifters were capable of adding almost 10% to their lifts in competition.
Do not take that offensively, 600lbs is 600lbs, and this is a training squat not a comp so any weight lifted is progression, however, I feel in the Bulgarian method that a main purpose is to train as close to competition as possible. There is a reason Abejaev only used 5 variations (for his non-injured lifters) the full snatch, the full C&J, the Front squat and the power variations of S+C&J. Therefore, while I do believe partial reps, boards, ect all have their place, I believe, as well as those I train with, that you should always lift like you would in competition, so squats to depth, benches paused, DLs fully locked out. The only variations we use are chains at times or pulling from a deficit, or pausing in the hole. Again do not take this post offensively. I am just a strong supported of always squatting to depth (hip crease below knee) I personally used to squat in wraps and found myself cutting them high a lot, so moved to sleeves for a while. Will probably do a wrapped meet in the summer for fun though just to throw up a big total since I get a lot of weight added out of using them.
point taken! and i completely agree. This video is not a great “representation” of my usual training. I typically dont lift with loud music, and the wraps are something that i’ve used recently. I went to visit some of my friends at Lindenwood University. I used to be coached in the O-lifts by Jianping Ma, and we are still close friends. I’m not sure if you know Fernando Reis, he uses wraps ever day. I agree with everything you’ve said. Thank you for your in depth response and sincerity of your post!
I believe I’ve heard that Abadjiev had his lifters lift with a full competition atmosphere every week or two when they were not competing, and I’m sure that going for a big lift every now and then won’t be a problem. It was a little bit high, it looked like you would normally have sat back into it more but were thrown off by the weight and the security of the wraps - you also didn’t quite go low enough to get the “rebound” that some weightlifting/IPF squatters get. Great achievement though, strong squat. 700 next!
[quote]infinite_shore wrote: @C4G: what are your current numbers for the big 3 and what do you hit on most days? I’m curious as you are not a beginner like the majority of people attracted to this style of lifting. [/quote]
So?[/quote]
I squat in the low-mid 600’s bench in the low 400’s and pull in the high 600’s. Looking for 625-430-700 at a spring meet I do. Hopefully more on squat but who knows, shits going well lately.
BTW. I do not devote time to this site every day, so your “So?” post was kind of weird/stalkerish. I would also say your statement, “noob like the majority of people attracted to this training” is incorrect. Look at Eric Talmant, Jamie Lewis, Damian petzfdfoisjoie. There are plenty of top name current or previous WR holders that use a modified version. There are also plenty of Elite+ lifters using it.
C4G[/quote]
1.) That’s a nice raw squat. No vid?
2.) Don’t flatter yourself.
3.) I wasn’t saying that no intermediate or advanced lifters are using some form of daily maxes in their training, but whenever a thread like this pops up on here and elsewhere, it typically comes from beginners (like the OP). And I don’t necessarily agree that the approach you suggest is the best choice for beginners.
4.) I have nothing against the training ideas you suggest at all. Actually, I do the daily max+back-off thing for oly squats 5-6 days/week for some time now and I’m not a beginner. But, to be honest I don’t know what there is to talk about since this type of training is so incredibly simple to set up and apply.
5.) Btw, Ivan had his lifters train up to 6h/day with the going-to-max mentality, so calling the training we discuss here as “Modified Bulgarian training” is stretching it imo.
[quote]DmitryKlokovFan wrote:
For everyone else wanting to ask questions about Bulgarian training, either start your own damn thread and/or log instead of hijacking mine.[/quote]
Sorry for hijacking your thread, man. Just didn’t feel like opening another thread about the same subjetc…
By the way, well into my third week of bulgarian training, I’ve recently included some heavy pulling (as per C4G advie), and I’m hitting my old competition PRs almost every other day. Still haven’t broke any of them, but I’m quite confident for meet day (19th october).
Ops…I did it again ![/quote]
Awesome, again, do not be deterred if you hit a rough patch in the begging. Your body needs to adapt.
C4G[/quote]
That’s what happened towards the end of last week; I took Saturday off, sunday & monday reduced the volume of the ramp (via higher jumps between sets) and ditched BOS. Today it was much better, weights felt lighter than last week…and meet day is actually on Saturday 20th! I’ll keep you all updated even if I’m far from being a strong lifter like some of you.
[quote]joebrandenburg wrote:
point taken! and i completely agree. This video is not a great “representation” of my usual training. I typically dont lift with loud music, and the wraps are something that i’ve used recently. I went to visit some of my friends at Lindenwood University. I used to be coached in the O-lifts by Jianping Ma, and we are still close friends. I’m not sure if you know Fernando Reis, he uses wraps ever day. I agree with everything you’ve said. Thank you for your in depth response and sincerity of your post![/quote]
Great achievement any how. After I posted I had looked at some of your vids and you look like a solid squatter. Keep it up.
[quote]Curls4Girls wrote:
Nice squat ^. I do however feel this method is used more with raw raw squatters. One of our lifters wraps every now and then but even he normal trains his squat raw and will throw in the wraps maybe 2 times a week out of 6 days of squatting if doing so.
Also, in regards to your video being applicable to this thread. It is a PL forum so heavy lifting is always supported! but, the squat was not to depth and you “pre squat ritual” would go against Abejaev’s principles. Ivan was not against stimulants, but believed one should not rely on hyping themselves up for training lifts. This was part of his theory on how his elite lifters, as well as many of the worlds elite lifters were capable of adding almost 10% to their lifts in competition.
Do not take that offensively, 600lbs is 600lbs, and this is a training squat not a comp so any weight lifted is progression, however, I feel in the Bulgarian method that a main purpose is to train as close to competition as possible. There is a reason Abejaev only used 5 variations (for his non-injured lifters) the full snatch, the full C&J, the Front squat and the power variations of S+C&J. Therefore, while I do believe partial reps, boards, ect all have their place, I believe, as well as those I train with, that you should always lift like you would in competition, so squats to depth, benches paused, DLs fully locked out. The only variations we use are chains at times or pulling from a deficit, or pausing in the hole. Again do not take this post offensively. I am just a strong supported of always squatting to depth (hip crease below knee) I personally used to squat in wraps and found myself cutting them high a lot, so moved to sleeves for a while. Will probably do a wrapped meet in the summer for fun though just to throw up a big total since I get a lot of weight added out of using them.
C4G
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Great post as always C4G. I currently on my second wave of the new programme and loving every minute of it. The weights that felt like a ton on Sheiko are now starting to feel lighter and since I switched is dubbed the "hybrid squat’ I’m hitting depth with no problems, my knee and back pain are starting to slowly disappear and I’m hitting some good numbers(335x1 yesterday, challenging but not a grinder).
Also would you recommend doing “mock meets” every now and then? How would you go about programming a lighter week as well?
Klokov. As of currently I do not really feel the need for mock meets. I never pull fresh, and only bench fresh on bench/pull days.
My format is always either squat/bench, bench/pull, or squat/bench/pull. So I feel it is close enough to a mock meet almost weekly. However, for those that do not have any of the all three lifts in one day programmed yet I think a mock meet could be useful. Abejaev wanted his lifters to compete as often as possible. So I think you could get away with even doing one every month!
As for lighter weeks, It really helps if you have a training partner or coach that can just realize when you are having an “off” day or even week. This allows you to recognize that you might need to take a couple lbs off of your max for that day. That is the closest to being a light week that I do. Or if my 95% rep is just a train wreck that day I might skip the top set and do a few extra back off sets instead. Hope this helps.
In regards to Bulgarian vs Sheiko. I noticed the same thing. I personally believe Sheiko is one of the best programs out there and in comparison to most programs will help develop lifters better than the majority of programs. It is the most ideal program to get a lifter into shape, perfect form, and buiild a base. But I too found that since you mainly work with 80-85% as top sets when I would go into meets or what not 95-100% would almost be a shock to me. I think the Bulgarian method does a much better way to prep your CNS and build you in a strength aspect. I think Sheiko is the perfect program to run before goign into this method.
1.) That’s a nice raw squat. No vid?
2.) Don’t flatter yourself.
3.) I wasn’t saying that no intermediate or advanced lifters are using some form of daily maxes in their training, but whenever a thread like this pops up on here and elsewhere, it typically comes from beginners (like the OP). And I don’t necessarily agree that the approach you suggest is the best choice for beginners.
4.) I have nothing against the training ideas you suggest at all. Actually, I do the daily max+back-off thing for oly squats 5-6 days/week for some time now and I’m not a beginner. But, to be honest I don’t know what there is to talk about since this type of training is so incredibly simple to set up and apply.
5.) Btw, Ivan had his lifters train up to 6h/day with the going-to-max mentality, so calling the training we discuss here as “Modified Bulgarian training” is stretching it imo.[/quote]
Understandable, I will make sure to tell Jamie Lewis, Eric Talmant, and the other lifters at RUM that run a similar method that a lifter who has not achieved CMS level yet disagrees with them comparing their training to Abejaev’s next time I see them. Good day. Probably will not be responding to any more of your posts. GL with training.
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