[quote]halcj wrote:
[quote]chris_ottawa wrote:
Look up Damien Pezzuti’s article on liftbigeatbig for an idea of how to start this. He recommends starting with 3 days a week and adding a light day once you stall, eventually turn that into another max-out day and then later add another light day and so on. I think the biggest mistake is jumping into this head first, especially if you are on a low frequency program right now. You should not be doing more total volume than in your current program, and maybe even less because the intensity will make up for it. I have tried this before and wasn’t able to keep it up, mostly from starting with too much volume and then getting shoulder/arm pain from frequent squatting. However, I know a guy who added about 40 lbs. to his squat and more than 50 to his deadlift (bench went nowhere) in 4 months. He actually reduce deadlift volume a lot, he had one speed deadlift day (which he eventually cut out) and another day where he worked up to a max triple never a max single) with no backoff work, his deadlift never went up so fast before. It might work for you, it might not, but if you are determined to do it then give it a try.
A few pieces of advice:
-minimize accessory work, just some rows/chins for shoulder health and curls if you are going to bench every day
-don’t do too much deadlift volume because it will be harder to recover from, your back will already be taking a beating. The squat volume should help your deadlift.
-consider using some squat variations like SSB, high bar, or front squat. A lot of people get shoulder issues from frequent low bar squatting, I only know of two elite lifters using this method, Pezzuti squats high bar and Tom Martin mostly does high bar in training. In fact, Greg Nuckols told me that he doesn’t do low bar squats at all when he does a daily squatting phase.[/quote]
I have to say, I disagree. Squatting to 80% 7 days a week is ridiculously easy - start with 3 max days to failure and 3 80% days (+1 deadlift day), and follow Mendes’ guidelines for back-offs (if you hit over 95% leave it there, 90% or so hit 3x2 at 10% less, <90% hit 3x3 around 15% less, or similar). I wouldn’t bench more than 2-3 times a week, but accessory work + OHP should definitely be added. To be honest, there’s no need to decrease your upper body hypertrophy type work much at all.
I don’t buy the volume argument Mike Tuscherer made, that excessive volume too soon will hinder long term progress, either. In fact, it seems that most successful advanced lifters train with less volume than they did when they were younger and still progress due to better muscle activation / efficiency / etc. I say this because I’ve seen the thread over on his site (that ChrisOttawa posted on) when googling for opinions, and I genuinely believe Mike doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to this style of training. He even admits that he has no evidence and just assumes it to be true (that volume and frequency must be increased in elite lifters, and starting from an already high base will limit long-term progress), as he puts:-
“I have not been hit by a truck, but I can observe enough to know that it’s probably not a good idea. First hand experience is not needed”
“We know you have to increase the stress to continue adapting (overload principle). So if you intentionally adapt to the highest stresses you can in a short amount of time, what do you do when that stops working? Any other program you try would be “low volume” by comparison.”
Of course, this is blatant garbage - the principle of overload applies to progressively-increasing RESISTANCE not volume, unless the goal is to achieve the greatest recovery capacity (??!!).
So, if you have sound technique and are not a complete beginner, jump right in and go for it. It will take a while to adapt to the workload, but you will progress.
[/quote]
“Squatting to 80% 7 days a week is ridiculously easy - start with 3 max days to failure and 3 80% days (+1 deadlift day)”
I think you misunderstood something, the idea is to start by maxing out 3x/week and add a light day when you stall, then eventually make that a max day as well and later add another day and so on. Your suggestion could work as well, but in my opinion it’s better to start with less and then add more rather than go all out and have to cut back. Mendes’ backoff guidelines are reasonable, but what do you think of squatting to failure every day? Personally, I found maxing out on bench every day to work better than maxing out on squats, of course everyone is different.
Now about Mike Tuchscherer’s idea of adapting to high volume, there is some truth to it. First of all, with his training system you do gradually increase volume over the longer term, just like Boris Sheiko would have you do. Ivan Abadjiev increased volume through frequency - you might train a particular lift 4-7x a week in the beginning, eventually you would have to do it multiple times a day to continue progress. However, there is a way around this. First of all, Greg Nuckols recommends using daily max squatting (with no down sets)and benching both as a peaking phase and to resensitize yourself to volume. Damien Pezzuti does volume/hypertrophy blocks here and there to continue making gains and add muscle mass. And finally if you look at Mike Israetel’s new book, he advises using hypertrophy phases with higher reps to avoid accommodation to low reps/heavier weight that you would use in your regular strength phases, and vice versa.
The moral of the story is that at some point you will have to either change the stimulus or increase the volume to continue progress. It’s true that overload in terms of weight is necessary to continue making gains, but work capacity increases you will have to increase either intensity or volume to see results. If you are already maxing out every day there is only one thing left to increase because you can’t hit PR’s every day. Sheiko has an interview on JTS, he says that you have to increase volume to a certain point, but once you can’t increase volume anymore you have to increase intensity. This applies to any sort of training. You know the Polish weightlifting team maxes out on squats 17X a week?