My Ideal Physique

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[quote]rg73 wrote:
Velz wrote:
And you being larger than 250 lbs is your prerogative. If a kid ever came to me and said he wanted to be 250 lbs of muscle and wanted my help, personally, I’d think it’s stupid, however, what I think is totally irrelevant on the matter, and so, I’d still help him and encourage him to achieve his goals.

What if the kid in question was 6’5" and wanted to be a linebacker? What if the kid in question was 6’9" and wanted to play power forward? What if he wanted to play hockey?

So getting to the size appropriate for sports is stupid now?

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Clearly if 250 lbs of mass is useful to you or your path in life, such as being an athlete or bodybuilder, then the term “250 lbs of useless mass” doesn’t apply to you then does it?

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So by that logic if somebody says “black people are stupid” and you’re not black you shouldn’t take offense…but that’s not very true is it?

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Man, you completely missed the point on this one. No point in addressing your points piecemeal but I’ll break it down for you in small bites so it’ll be easier to swallow:

  1. Go to http://www.T-Nation.com and you’ll see that this is a BODYBUILDING site where a significant number of the members (not all, but bulk…get it? bulk :wink: ) are concerned with adding muscle mass and maintaining a low enough bf% to show it off.

Does that mean we ALL have to do the same, NO! Does that mean we can come out ont his site and challenge the site’s main motive? NO. If you want to discuss the optimal physque to get laid use the “sex and the male animal” forum.

You may be happy with adding 10 pounds and cutting it down, keep it to yourself because the prime directive of this site is not just physique improvement per se, but adding muscle and losing fat. Again, NOT the same as building the most appealing physique to a pre-determined population of females.

  1. I;m sorry if you’ve had a dry spell but I can assure you that when i was referring to “most of us get laid” I wasn;t including you in that group. I wouldn;t dare to be so presumptious. I wish you the bnest of luck in your goals, but make sure you use the best chanel for letting them be known.

  2. Am I knocking his goals? Not really, I could care less if he wants to be a ballet dancer. I myelf am cutting fat at the moment, I’m currently 169 at 17% (down from 32% almosty a year back) and I will add mass after I hit the low teens.
    All I’m saying is, I don;t want to bleat it around with generous doses of “here’s what girls find attractive” since THAT is not the raison d’etre of this site.

  3. If bodybuilding is defined as building the physique most attractive to women and you guys determine that Coleman’s muscles make him look disgusting, by your definition he is NOT a bodybuilder!!! I repeat, bodybuilding at present is primarily concerned with adding muscle and dropping fat. The aesthetic considerations like quad sweep, lat spread, V taper are important but secondary.

And for fuck’s sake, “aesthetic” is NOT the same as what a certain age group of women find attractive, if you say NO, then what are Cutler and Coleman?

Of course, anyone who is getting some knows that women have a variety of tastes and that statistical summaries of sexual preferences are for nerds and non starters.

If you have any words of wisdom to add, we can duke it out via PM or on the Get a Life forum.

To everyone else, sorry for the hijack, and 49ers, I understand what youre saying and I agree for the most part.

[quote]conner wrote:
rbpowerhouse wrote:
This isn’t “Get laid in 30 days”, this is T-Nation, a site concerned with adding muscle mass and strength. Before coming here, you are expected to have worked out your reasons for wanting to get bigger and stronger.

No, this particular FORUM is concerned solely with that. This “site,” though also largely oriented towards such, also contains Atomic Dog (which I think occasionally mentions sex and other things that aren’t “necessarily about weight training or bodybuilding”) as well as Sex and the Male Animal.

The man posted here on this forum, as a beginner, for advice on how to build his body to meet his goal (read: making this the correct location), not how to get laid. His reasons are “worked out,” they are his own, and are certainly not for you to judge.

rbpowerhouse wrote:
Most of us have gotten or are getting laid frequently and are building mass for many otehr reasons, mainly for self improvement and personal challenges.

While I applaud you on your ability to keep up to date with the sex lives of “most” T-Nation members (information garnered by either a) reading the ever-reliable forums- where EVERYONE tells the truth! or b) by stalking/ peeping…perv), I will have to disagree with you that most people don’t consider the sex appeal of a built body to be an additional perk.

rbpowerhouse wrote:
If you want an aesthetic physique and 6 pack abs, you have menshealth which has very good articles I use for my own cutting purposes. IF youre on here, don;t bleat about meanshealth/crossfit goals.

Exactly, because no one on this here site- one you claim is for, amongst other things, “bodybuilding”- wants an aesthetic physique.[/quote]

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[quote]Skrussian wrote:
So by that logic if somebody says “black people are stupid” and you’re not black you shouldn’t take offense…but that’s not very true is it?[/quote]

It is true, because I wouldn’t take offense.

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[quote]Velz wrote:

And if a decent 6’3" guy should break 200, what should a decent 5’10" guy break?[/quote]

175lb LBM as a bare minimum, I think, with no more than 20lb total fat mass. That’d be bigger than most Men’s Health cover models.

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[quote]rbpowerhouse wrote:
BTW you plan to grow 12 inches in height? IF you’re still 5’3" the rules of the game are different for you. HAve a proportionate brad-pittesque physique (for your height) and see where that gets you, go ahead. (hint: you’ll look like David Faustino on “Married with children”
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Man,I’d love to be 6.3 instead of 5.3 …goddamit!

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[quote]wsk wrote:
Velz wrote:

And if a decent 6’3" guy should break 200, what should a decent 5’10" guy break?

175lb LBM as a bare minimum, I think, with no more than 20lb total fat mass. That’d be bigger than most Men’s Health cover models.
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Search Purdiver and realize he was 5’9" and 163 lbs at competition weight…See his pictures and realize what you said about 175 lbs lbm is incredibly wrong…Purdiver is nothing decent, he’s unbelievable.

I love how testosterone has to be equivilant to being a certain size on here. When I am sitting in a room with intelligent people who speak over 5 languages and have traveled the world and speak of things I can’t even comprehend, how can I not sit back and think what kind of a moron would only be able to think about testosterone and lifting weights. Nothing wrong with Reynold’s physique at all, and if you can’t see the stupidness in making fun of him, well then that clearly rests my case.

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FYI I act silly and cute and talk in funny little girly voices with my girlfriend all the time, and I am able to orgasm every single day of the week, at least once a day, and it’s amazing. So where’s the lack of testosterone there? I’m not huge either, wow. Guess a lot of people were wrong in thinking they are better than others just cuz they’re slightly bigger and can act like dicks to all.

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[quote]Velz wrote:
Skrussian wrote:
I was trying to be a bit more motivationally prodding than YOUR ROLE MODEL SUCKS HE’S A PIECE OF SHIT. My bad…I guess :stuck_out_tongue:

LOL. Crucify me for not wanting to be 250 lbs of useless mass. Screw Ryan Reynolds for a second. How much do you think someone that’s 5’10" should weigh at 7-8% body fat?[/quote]

What the hell difference does it make what we think? You seem on one hand to know exactly what you want and on the other to delight in repeatedly asking what somebody else thinks you should want.

Do what YOU want, but don’t be aghast if you get ho hum enthusiasm on a site named testosterone nation when you show up talking about goals that are not even remotely akin to bodybuilding or strength training.

I wouldn’t go to weightwatchers.com and ask for recipes for custard cream pie and am always a little perplexed by guys who come here asking how to be barely above average when that could be accomplished in a year by just about anybody with half ass determination.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Velz wrote:
Skrussian wrote:
I was trying to be a bit more motivationally prodding than YOUR ROLE MODEL SUCKS HE’S A PIECE OF SHIT. My bad…I guess :stuck_out_tongue:

LOL. Crucify me for not wanting to be 250 lbs of useless mass. Screw Ryan Reynolds for a second. How much do you think someone that’s 5’10" should weigh at 7-8% body fat?

What the hell difference does it make what we think? You seem on one hand to know exactly what you want and on the other to delight in repeatedly asking what somebody else thinks you should want.

Do what YOU want, but don’t be aghast if you get ho hum enthusiasm on a site named testosterone nation when you show up talking about goals that are not even remotely akin to bodybuilding or strength training.

I wouldn’t go to weightwatchers.com and ask for recipes for custard cream pie and am always a little perplexed by guys who come here asking how to be barely above average when that could be accomplished in a year by just about anybody with half ass determination.

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This is more along the lines of the most proper response yet.

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He did look good in amityville horror…I agree it was weird and not relevant to the role really, i think he was still there from blade 3.

Even on principle, i don’t get why bigger guys have a problem with smaller/cut-looking guys like Reynolds, or those who want to look like them. Is it because they get all the pussy?

I hope all of you bitching post regularly and extensively in the ‘strength sports’ forum.

Why pump negativity into someone’s stated goals, just because it’s different. If you’re better than Reynolds or whoever, next time just be better (and quiet), not bitter and the world will be a better place for it

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I have an idea…
Why don’t you lean down, gain some mass, stop somewhere between reynolds and the olympia, and get back to us in lets say…2009.
Oh wait, actually, get back to us in 6 months with a picture of Lance Armstrong, he’s pretty…uhhh…rii…uhh…stro…uhh…alive?

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
Poking around on this thread I’ve had ,what alcoholics refer to as, as moment of clarity. It has become apparent to me that there are, for all intents and purposes, two types of people in this world.

The first type, we’ll call them the “A” type, tend to be who they want to be. They don’t perceive themselves as anyone else nor strive to “be like” or “look like” anyone else. They are inspired by other people, but tend to have their own ideas and run with them.

Which brings me to the other type of person, the “B.” These people tend to want to be like someone else, or emulate if you will. They are inspired but don’t understand it and pervert it by not being original with the inspiration. Someone somewhere told them that being yourself is lame; you should try to be like someone else. In this case, the o.p., decided that he should look like Ryan Reynolds.

Now, i’m not judging (ok a little bit); if you think Ryan Reynolds looks good with his shirt off, kudos to you. I mean I have friends who fuck guys … in jail.

Maybe he’ll be happy trying to look like Ryan Reynolds, but there’s always going to be one thing that’ll stand in the way. He’s not Ryan Reynolds. No matter how hard he may try, he will never be Ryan Reynolds. But, hey, if that’s your journey, go for it!! Have fun, I’ll be over here controling my world while you try to infiltrate someone elses. Knock yourself out, kid.[/quote]

Very nice.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:

Even on principle, i don’t get why bigger guys have a problem with smaller/cut-looking guys like Reynolds, or those who want to look like them. Is it because they get all the pussy?

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If you mean someone like me, I’m still on my way to being one the bigger guys here though progress is steady.

Personally I have no problem with anybody who wants to be healthy and fit no matter what their individual size and strength goals are.

This site however is supposed to be “bodybuilding’s think tank” and I’m not sure what kind of response people expect when they start asking about entirely unimpressive goals.

What this guy wants to accomplish is hardly an accomplishment at all. I’m further confused when they make disparaging remarks aimed at those whose goals are exactly what this site is about. If you don’t want to be big, fine. The web is world wide after all and there are scores of people you can be small with in good company.

I’m not telling the guy to leave, but don’t expect high fives from folks who are or are going to be 250 lbs of “useless muscle”. I’m 6’2, 230’s in the teens somewhere for bodyfat. I refuse to die before I’m at least 250 in single digits and considerably stronger than I am now. That is bodybuilding. If I were to lean up right now I’d be bigger than Ryan Reynolds.

Again, if I were to go to menshealth.com and say “Here is my ideal physique” and post a picture of Dave Tate, they would say, “congratulations, but that’s not what we’re about here” and most likely gimme some links.

With this particular guy, he starts off with a confidently stated “THIS is what I wanna be” and ends up with, “ok, wadda you guys think I oughta be?”

I’m simply pointing that out. Maybe I’m weird or something, but I never had a problem knowing where I wanted to go, past about the 3 month point when I very first started.

Help the guy out, shouldn’t take much though his profile says he’s been training for 8 years. Goal setting seems to be mildly delayed. Actually goal reaching should be in view by now, but I’ve been “snarky” enough already. Forgive me.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
dannyrat wrote:

Even on principle, i don’t get why bigger guys have a problem with smaller/cut-looking guys like Reynolds, or those who want to look like them. Is it because they get all the pussy?

If you mean someone like me, I’m still on my way to being one the bigger guys here though progress is steady.

Personally I have no problem with anybody who wants to be healthy and fit no matter what their individual size and strength goals are.

This site however is supposed to be “bodybuilding’s think tank” and I’m not sure what kind of response people expect when they start asking about entirely unimpressive goals.

What this guy wants to accomplish is hardly an accomplishment at all. I’m further confused when they make disparaging remarks aimed at those whose goals are exactly what this site is about. If you don’t want to be big, fine. The web is world wide after all and there are scores of people you can be small with in good company.

I’m not telling the guy to leave, but don’t expect high fives from folks who are or are going to be 250 lbs of “useless muscle”.

I’m 6’2, 230’s in the teens somewhere for bodyfat. I refuse to die before I’m at least 250 in single digits and considerably stronger than I am now. That is bodybuilding. If I were to lean up right now I’d be bigger than Ryan Reynolds.

Again, if I were to go to menshealth.com and say “Here is my ideal physique” and post a picture of Dave Tate, they would say, “congratulations, but that’s not what we’re about here” and most likely gimme some links.

With this particular guy, he starts off with a confidently stated “THIS is what I wanna be” and ends up with, “ok, wadda you guys think I oughta be?”

I’m simply pointing that out. Maybe I’m weird or something, but I never had a problem knowing where I wanted to go, past about the 3 month point when I very first started.

Help the guy out, shouldn’t take much though his profile says he’s been training for 8 years. Goal setting seems to be mildly delayed. Actually goal reaching should be in view by now, but I’ve been “snarky” enough already. Forgive me.[/quote]

This response couldn’t have been better.

Most of these debates stem from people who want everyone to be impressed with their “unimpressiveness”. It gets old quick. If you personally want to look average, fine. be happy, But why try to get everyone else to applaud for it and why choose this site to force all of that “average” onto? Why act surprised when people respond in ways that simply reflect that the goal for many isn’t “average”?

Before someone even attempts it, “average” refers to the average person who lifts regularly, not whatever average has become as far as sedentary obese people.

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Everything, or most, you two said was right and true. No high-fives needed. I just think, if the stated goal is less than what you have reached, you are probably able to help achieve that lesser peak. If you want to be benevolent, cool.

I don’t think Reynolds (since he’s the target) body is ‘average’. In blade3 at least he is ridiculously lean for a non-BB, and has a good shoulder/chest look going on. It would be far less cynical to be like 'here’s how you get there. Trib- good luck getting there man, keep drinking that olive oil. X- glad you got there

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
X- glad you got there[/quote]

As far as my own goals, I’m not there. I feel like I’m just getting started.

As far as this thread, we all had goals early on that we probably passed up years later. I remember looking up to guys in the gym who are smaller than me now. I don’t think anyone is implying that everyone should have the exact same goal. I think what is being implied is that this site is based around a more extreme goal than what finds its way into pop culture lately. I also know that most guys who even consider Reynolds as their goal are probably unlikely to reach even that.

We all need short term goals as well as long term goals. You won’t even make it out of the door without that. However, those shooting for the least when it comes to their long term goals (or “just slightly better than average”)don’t seem to ever have the drive to even reach that. It is usually followed by, “I don’t want to get too big” even though it would take dedication like they’ve never applied to even reach their lesser goal.

That lack of initial drive, determination and intensity is what gets attacked more than anything else.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
dannyrat wrote:
X- glad you got there

As far as my own goals, I’m not there. I feel like I’m just getting started.

As far as this thread, we all had goals early on that we probably passed up years later. I remember looking up to guys in the gym who are smaller than me now. I don’t think anyone is implying that everyone should have the exact same goal. I think what is being implied is that this site is based around a more extreme goal than what finds its way into pop culture lately. I also know that most guys who even consider Reynolds as their goal are probably unlikely to reach even that.

We all need short term goals as well as long term goals. You won’t even make it out of the door without that. However, those shooting for the least when it comes to their long term goals (or “just slightly better than average”)don’t seem to ever have the drive to even reach that. It is usually followed by, “I don’t want to get too big” even though it would take dedication like they’ve never applied to even reach their lesser goal.

That lack of initial drive, determination and intensity is what gets attacked more than anything else. [/quote]

This response couldn’t have been better either. To the OP. You are only the example here because you’re the latest. I’m not meaning to beat you up, but think about what the much maligned Professor just said. 8 years of training and your goal is Ryan Reynolds? Seriously man, what’s someone to think?

After 8 years you haven’t made “THAT” much progress and are asking strangers what you should do?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< I also know that most guys who even consider Reynolds as their goal are probably unlikely to reach even that. >>>[/quote]

How much truer could this possibly be? I honestly hope you wind up happy with your results, but please excuse my skepticism.

EDIT: I’m just going to be right up front with this Velz guy. If I thought you were the least bit serious I’d feel guilty about possibly having been a party to discouraging you from bettering yourself. I mean it with all possible sincerity when I say I hope you reach your goals.

What you say you want to do can be accomplished with decent dedication by just about ANY non pathological male between the ages of 18 and 40 in 2-3 years regardless of what shape they’re in when they start and quite a bit quicker for many. If you doubt this you’ve learned nothing in 8 years. If you ever do actually get there you may find that more size doesn’t sound so bad after all.

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[quote]Velz wrote:
Hey guys. It’s been a while since my last post here, but recently, I’m in need of some assistance. I’ve been on a diet for a few months now and am now about 3 weeks out from my goal of 7% body fat (I started at around 20%).

Once I reach my goal, however, I’m not just going to sit back and soak up the sun. Losing fat has always been my main goal, but once I accomplish this, I’d like to set off on a smaller, more long term goal and gradually gain some muscle. Notice I did not say bulk, but “gradually gain muscle”. I’m 5’ 10", and when I get off my diet, I should weigh in the mid 170’s post carb reintroduction. So I guess my question is the following…

If I would like to obtain a physique similar to that of Ryan Reynolds, around how many more lbs of muscle should I aim to put on? He’s 6’ 3", and I’m only 5’10", however, I’m not sure how much he weighs. I was thinking about adding something along the lines 15 lbs of muscle or so, which would make me 5’ 10" 185-190 lbs. How does this sound to you guys?

Also, since I’m already posting, what are the best times to consume peanut butter? I include a slice of whole wheat, high fiber bread with an even spread of Smart Balance Omega in my morning meal, but that’s as far as peanut butter goes in my diet. I love peanut butter lol, and I’ve read that the body handles fat better at night, so would another slice of bread with peanut butter at night be conducive towards fat loss or no?

Or maybe without the bread, and just blend the peanut butter in with my last shake of the day? When do you guys eat your peanut butter, or if you were in my situation, when would you? Thanks for your help as always guys.[/quote]

I honestly think that at 5’ 10 200 pounds is pretty decent. As long as your not a fatass, (like i was lol.)

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I think that the reason many people actually see this as a goal is because when I was kid (31 next month) that was a the normal size for a 14 year old boy. Seriously, I worked on farms and shit. But now days the boys are either starved and look like that flockhart chick or fat assed fucks.

So that is actually not the norm or the average male that is actually better than the average. Sadly…so if you reach your goal good for you, if you want to do pushups pull ups sit ups and jog that is all it will take. If you want a supplement take Hot Rocks and maybe some protein. Diet is the key.

Pretty simple no weights really needed. Join a flag football or basketball league. This is a bodybuilding site and it can help you, but you really don’t need much help to reach that level. BTW I’m 6ft 3in 242lbs of useless mass. lol