[quote]ironmanlives79 wrote:
are all you lards smoking crack???
why is everyone saying that reynolds movie guy is skinny?? hes way above average in the muscle and ripped dept.
did you see him in the movie about amnityville horror!!
the dude looked a solid 200+ lbs.
whats with all the haters. [/quote]
Sorry, but I’ve never hear of The “Amnityville” Horror and sometimes looks are deceiving.
[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Velz wrote:
I’d like to know where you get your groundless claims that he doesn’t eat from. Stop being stupid.
That was a joke. The fact that he’s still alive is a claim beyond refute that he eats. Stop being stupid.
And I’ll post pictures of a grandmother of 3 if that’s what I want to be like. Since you’re so knowledgeable though, instead of being utterly useless, maybe you can post pics of someone I should better model myself after and help me out.
You’ve demonstrated that you don’t like bodybuilding. So leave this bodybuilding website.[/quote]
Stop making stupid jokes.
Again…
I’m on a body building website because it’s a very helpful site and I learned a lot from it. Maybe you didn’t know, but the principles of bodybuilding aren’t limited to contesting in Mr. Olympia.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Velz wrote:
By “slowly add muscle” I meant I don’t want to bulk. To me, bulking is for someone that wants to add as much muscle as possible in as little amount of time as possible. I don’t have a deadline to meet or a competition to prep for, so I have no need to bulk and look like shit 3/4’s of the year. I’m perfectly fine with taking a slower approach to adding muscle that comprimises my body fat as little as possible.
Unfortunately you’ve been greatly mislead. You can either gain muscle, or not gain muscle. Bulking simply means building muscle.
In order to gain muscle, you must gain at least some fat. Sorry, but that’s just the truth of things. Now, of course if you manipulate your diet right you can gain a large percentage of weight from muscle and a much smaller percent from fat. But, even in the most rigid of diets, you will most likely gain at best something like 70% muscle and 30% fat.
Also, why would you not want to minimize the time it takes you to reach your goals? I guess I can understand that you are just now coming from a place of having a very high body fat percentage and the thought of putting body fat back on is not a pleasant one.
But, try to understand that the muscle you will be gaining will actually speed up your Basal metabolism, thus making it much easier for you to get “ripped” later on down the road. However, if you never eat enough to actually build this muscle, then even though you’ll stay lean, you may never achieve the body you’re after.
Good luck and good training,
Sentoguy[/quote]
Yeah. I’ve lived my entire life as the tubby kid by the pool, ashamed to take his shirt off, so I am a little put off by gaining some fat back, even though I know it’s for the greater good. Thanks for your post though.
What I really meant by “slowly add muscle” is a slow bulk. What’s a good macronutrient ratio and caloric intake for someone who’ll be around around 172 at 7% body fat that wants to bulk slowly? I’m going to be getting off my diet soon, so I’m just asking around and trying to educate myself on the subject as much as possible.
[quote]Kruiser wrote:
Hey, at least he didn’t choose the Brad Pitt in Fight Club pic.
Velz: We get a lot of this type of question around here so don’t be too surprised by the flames. Nice job defending yourself though, you obviously have some smarts. It sounds to me like you want to gain some muscle mass without re-gaining the fat you’ve just worked hard to lose. Nothing wrong with that (check out CT’s “The Truth About Bulking” article).
My advice is not to worry too much about the specific goals (i.e. How much mass do I have to add to look like ____). Rather, worry about how you going to reach those goals. This site is an incredible resource. Dig in!
P.S. A clean bulk is what you need nutritionally. A diet of lean meat, complex carbs and veggies finds it’s way to your muscles, not your belly. If your BF% rises a little, you can adjust your diet and training to compensate. Don’t be afraid to experiment. It’s fun.[/quote]
I’m not surprised by the flames at all, as I’m well aware of the childish “URRR HULK SMASH or GTFO” mentality that runs rampant on these forums. I could honestly care less though, and I knew that amidst the expected close-minded stupidity these forums are saturated with, there are also many mature individuals here that would be of some assistance to me.
And yes this site is a gold mine of information. I did read that article before posting. Very informative and it alleviated some of my fears associated with the term “bulk”.
As I’ve mentioned before, I can’t help but be a little put off by having to gain back some fat after working so hard to get rid of it, but I’ll man up. Since we’re on the subject of clean bulk though, I’m asking around for different people’s opinions on the matter.
What would you suggest a good macronutrient ratio and caloric intake for someone who’ll be around 172 lbs @ 7% body fat that wants to clean bulk is? Your help is valued. Thanks!
[quote]Misterhamper wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
vermilion wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
Well, maybe you should take your own advice and respect other peoples’ ways of life.
That IS great advice. Dude wants to look like Ryan Reynolds, how about you just shut your mouth and RESPECT that his goals aren’t the same as yours? Jesus, you registered a week ago and you’re already dick-swinging…
That’s great if the OP wants a body like Ryan Reynolds, however this is a BODYBUILDING website, repeat after to me, BODYBUILDING, Ryan Reynolds doesn’t equal BODYBUILDING.
Actually, what does equal to BODYBUILDING? A big HGH-gut and a low fatpercentage? 19 inch arms? As far as I know, the subforum “Bodybuilding” here was called “Building a better body” a couple weeks ago - and that’s exactly what the OP want to.
Ryan Reynolds may not be big, but he is bigger than the OP. When and if he grows the same amount of musclemass as Ryan Reynolds, his vision of what is “big” and “manly” may change to something bigger. Isn’t that what it did for you, when you started growing?
Got new idols, new ways you body should look. Before you began lifting weights, you was probably disgusted by Dexter Jackson, but now it may a psychique you think is good.
And just the fact that his posts are in the Beginner-forum means that he is a beginner and don’t want to be as big as some bigger guys wants to be - but that may change when himself grows bigger.
I really can’t see why it’s wrong to have an idol, even if that idol is by T-Nation-standards not big.[/quote]
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you for understanding me.
[quote]ironmanlives79 wrote:
are all you lards smoking crack???
why is everyone saying that reynolds movie guy is skinny?? hes way above average in the muscle and ripped dept.
did you see him in the movie about amnityville horror!!
the dude looked a solid 200+ lbs.
[/quote]
No, he didn’t. Maybe that is easier to discern when you are actually above 200lbs.
[quote]IronWarrior24 wrote:
vermilion wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
Well, maybe you should take your own advice and respect other peoples’ ways of life.
That IS great advice. Dude wants to look like Ryan Reynolds, how about you just shut your mouth and RESPECT that his goals aren’t the same as yours? Jesus, you registered a week ago and you’re already dick-swinging…
It would be great if he followed it himself. He is the one who originally posted this “great advice”. I was not the one crying about respecting others’ ways of life. He was. And could you please define dick-swinging to me? I couldn’t find it in the dictionary.[/quote]
Except that I’m not the one that started with the puerile invectives. My retorts were all in defense, as I came here peacefully to ask a few questions is all. Before you cretins decided to start with the mudslinging, I don’t recall disrespecting your way of life. It was you guys that disrespected mine.
[quote]jacheson wrote:
let me get this straight… you’ve been dieting for “a few months” and you’re “3 weeks out” from 7% body fat (having started at 20%). L O L. Yeah.[/quote]
Correct.
[quote]Velz wrote:
Again…
I’m on a body building website because it’s a very helpful site and I learned a lot from it. Maybe you didn’t know, but the principles of bodybuilding aren’t limited to contesting in Mr. Olympia.
[/quote]
Velz, please refer back to my first post on page three of this thread.
Anyway, I’ve reached my conclusion. I shall go for 190 lbs, and see how I like it. Much thanks to all of the people on this forum that understand and support me. I’ll be sure to take before and after pics of my transformation ( I have before/after pics of my current fat loss transformation where I went from around 20% to 7%, but since I’m not prepping for a Mr. Olympia event, what’s the point?).
Also, I ignored all the whiny pricks because, in the end, nobody cares. I workout to impress myself and reach my goals, not reach yours. Assuming I worked out to impress 15 yr old girls at the beach (a euphemism you guys like to use around here), which I don’t, it still beats working out to impress 40 yr old guys on a forum. It’s alright my sons. Your father forgives you all.
See you guys at 190!
[quote]Velz wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
vermilion wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
Well, maybe you should take your own advice and respect other peoples’ ways of life.
That IS great advice. Dude wants to look like Ryan Reynolds, how about you just shut your mouth and RESPECT that his goals aren’t the same as yours? Jesus, you registered a week ago and you’re already dick-swinging…
It would be great if he followed it himself. He is the one who originally posted this “great advice”. I was not the one crying about respecting others’ ways of life. He was. And could you please define dick-swinging to me? I couldn’t find it in the dictionary.
Except that I’m not the one that started with the puerile invectives. My retorts were all in defense, as I came here peacefully to ask a few questions is all. Before you cretins decided to start with the mudslinging, I don’t recall disrespecting your way of life. It was you guys that disrespected mine.[/quote]
Velz, you do not only react in self defense. I seem to remember your 250 lbs. of useless mass comment, which was completely unnecessary. Now, bodybuilding is my way of life, and one day I would like to be even larger than 250 lbs.
So, I take that comment to be disrespectful towards my way of life. Prior to your disrespectful comment I had not even posted anything on this thread, so don’t act like you’re the innocent victim of internet bullying.
[quote]IronWarrior24 wrote:
Velz wrote:
Again…
I’m on a body building website because it’s a very helpful site and I learned a lot from it. Maybe you didn’t know, but the principles of bodybuilding aren’t limited to contesting in Mr. Olympia.
Velz, please refer back to my first post on page three of this thread.
[/quote]
I’m not the enemy here. I’m at the gym 5 days a week, watch what I eat, and give 110% every workout. I cannot remember the last time I missed a session or went to the gym to half ass my way through a workout. Fitness is a part of my lifestyle, and I’d go as far as to say that it IS my lifestyle.
If you’d put your blind hate aside for a moment, you’d realize we are all here for the same purpose - to build a better body. What constitutes a “better body” is relevant to every person. While our goals may be different, our ideals are very much the same.
[quote]IronWarrior24 wrote:
Velz wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
vermilion wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
Well, maybe you should take your own advice and respect other peoples’ ways of life.
That IS great advice. Dude wants to look like Ryan Reynolds, how about you just shut your mouth and RESPECT that his goals aren’t the same as yours? Jesus, you registered a week ago and you’re already dick-swinging…
It would be great if he followed it himself. He is the one who originally posted this “great advice”. I was not the one crying about respecting others’ ways of life. He was. And could you please define dick-swinging to me? I couldn’t find it in the dictionary.
Except that I’m not the one that started with the puerile invectives. My retorts were all in defense, as I came here peacefully to ask a few questions is all. Before you cretins decided to start with the mudslinging, I don’t recall disrespecting your way of life. It was you guys that disrespected mine.
Velz, you do not only react in self defense. I seem to remember your 250 lbs. of useless mass comment, which was completely unnecessary. Now, bodybuilding is my way of life, and one day I would like to be even larger than 250 lbs.
So, I take that comment to be disrespectful towards my way of life. Prior to your disrespectful comment I had not even posted anything on this thread, so don’t act like you’re the innocent victim of internet bullying.[/quote]
I did react in self-defense. You remember my 250 lbs of useless mass comment, yet for some reason, you overlook the 10 flames I received before that comment. Why?
And you being larger than 250 lbs is your prerogative. If a kid ever came to me and said he wanted to be 250 lbs of muscle and wanted my help, personally, I’d think it’s stupid, however, what I think is totally irrelevant on the matter, and so, I’d still help him and encourage him to achieve his goals.
In the end, somebody that wants to be 250 lbs of muscle is better than somebody who’s content with being 250 lbs of fat, much the same way someone who wants the build of Ryan Reynolds is better than some guy who’s content with looking like Nicole Ritchie.
[quote]Velz wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
Velz wrote:
Again…
I’m on a body building website because it’s a very helpful site and I learned a lot from it. Maybe you didn’t know, but the principles of bodybuilding aren’t limited to contesting in Mr. Olympia.
Velz, please refer back to my first post on page three of this thread.
I’m not the enemy here. I’m at the gym 5 days a week, watch what I eat, and give 110% every workout. I cannot remember the last time I missed a session or went to the gym to half ass my way through a workout. Fitness is a part of my lifestyle, and I’d go as far as to say that it IS my lifestyle.
If you’d put your blind hate aside for a moment, you’d realize we are all here for the same purpose - to build a better body. What constitutes a “better body” is relevant to every person. While our goals may be different, our ideals are very much the same.[/quote]
I can respect that, you are better than most out there who don’t give a shit about fitness. And I do remember the flames you got before you responded, but do you remember that none of those came from me?
[quote]IronWarrior24 wrote:
Velz wrote:
IronWarrior24 wrote:
Velz wrote:
Again…
I’m on a body building website because it’s a very helpful site and I learned a lot from it. Maybe you didn’t know, but the principles of bodybuilding aren’t limited to contesting in Mr. Olympia.
Velz, please refer back to my first post on page three of this thread.
I’m not the enemy here. I’m at the gym 5 days a week, watch what I eat, and give 110% every workout. I cannot remember the last time I missed a session or went to the gym to half ass my way through a workout. Fitness is a part of my lifestyle, and I’d go as far as to say that it IS my lifestyle.
If you’d put your blind hate aside for a moment, you’d realize we are all here for the same purpose - to build a better body. What constitutes a “better body” is relevant to every person. While our goals may be different, our ideals are very much the same.
I can respect that, you are better than most out there who don’t give a shit about fitness. And I do remember the flames you got before you responded, but do you remember that none of those came from me?
[/quote]
In all fairness though, my comment was not directed towards you specifically, however, I don’t see why you’d fault me for defending myself. This is like some freestyle battle where white rappers can’t make any black jokes without getting boo’ed off stage, while black rappers make nothing but white jokes and they get cheered on.
Clearly everyone was expressing their disgust towards my goals. God forbid I express my disgust towards theirs?
Velz,
For what it is worth I respect the way you have handled yourself here.
Good luck in achieving your goals.
Stu.
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=06-061-diet
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460027
These should help out on the way to do a good, clean bulk. It’s hard to give advice on the exact macronutrient ratios since I don’t know your metabolism, carb sensitivity, etc.
You should have a good idea how you react since you’re just coming off a successful diet regime. Do what works for you making sure to get at least a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight.
Keep the good fats at about the same level and adjust your carb intake until you’re gaining lean mass without your waistline expanding. It’s a tricky balance and adding at least a little fat is inevitable but your new muscle and faster metabolism will help you burn it off quickly.
Keep us posted on your progress. Good luck!
[quote]Kruiser wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=06-061-diet
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460027
These should help out on the way to do a good, clean bulk. It’s hard to give advice on the exact macronutrient ratios since I don’t know your metabolism, carb sensitivity, etc.
You should have a good idea how you react since you’re just coming off a successful diet regime. Do what works for you making sure to get at least a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight.
Keep the good fats at about the same level and adjust your carb intake until you’re gaining lean mass without your waistline expanding. It’s a tricky balance and adding at least a little fat is inevitable but your new muscle and faster metabolism will help you burn it off quickly.
Keep us posted on your progress. Good luck![/quote]
VERY nice articles! I will peruse them both this weekend, when I will likely choose my diet and have a finished outline of what it will be like (which will be subject to T-Nation approval of course). Thanks!
[quote]Velz wrote:
And you being larger than 250 lbs is your prerogative. If a kid ever came to me and said he wanted to be 250 lbs of muscle and wanted my help, personally, I’d think it’s stupid, however, what I think is totally irrelevant on the matter, and so, I’d still help him and encourage him to achieve his goals. [/quote]
What if the kid in question was 6’5" and wanted to be a linebacker? What if the kid in question was 6’9" and wanted to play power forward? What if he wanted to play hockey?
So getting to the size appropriate for sports is stupid now?
i just read the health and fitness where ryan reynolds clocked the scales at 204.
he stated he didnt juice but i believe otherwise. his mannerisms were strange in that amnit. movie.
after the movie he lost all the weight. i dont knw why he would bulk up for that movie anyway?? it wasnt in character.