He was telling the guys on our team that has just started lifting(those guys with little muscle and are kind of fat) that they should lift every muscle group everyday for a couple months to get some muscle and then start alternating groups once some type of muscle has been established. Is that true?
I am always opposed to lifting the same groups everyday but I’m not doing it anyway since its only for those with very little muscle and a bit of fat. I don’t knkow how their body types should lift but I know for sure that you shouldn’t lift the same muscle group if its sore and they looked like they were in pain the whole time. I know something’s wrong there. He has the theory that after a few weeks lifting the same groups won’t hurt anymore. Sounds like bull to me.
Your coaches Football can talk? Is it on ripley’s?
Anyhow apart from the mad LOLs, If they go from doing no lifting to ANY lifting they will be sore for the first few weeks. Lifting total body sounds good for anyone. They don’t need 30 sets for each bodypart, but training each area makes good sense to me.
after a week or so they probly wont be sore anymore since there body will get more use to it. i wouldnt say its the best thing to do, but basically when you start lifting you can do whatever the hell you want in the gym and youll get stronger
[quote]sed26 wrote:
He was telling the guys on our team that has just started lifting(those guys with little muscle and are kind of fat) that they should lift every muscle group everyday for a couple months to get some muscle and then start alternating groups once some type of muscle has been established. Is that true?
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Then these players will lead to Injury! He is infact putting them under more damage than good if he wants them to work on full body everyday.
The reason there sore is because there bodies aren’t used to lifting weights. Everyone gets sore, if you have had a good proper training session.
You must give a muscle a day of rest. Muscle Fibers split and they must Rest and Recovery. Rest days are just as important as workout days. It is during these rest periods that your muscles grow and change, so make sure you’re not working the same muscle groups 2 days in a row.
You want to challenge yourself, not kill yourself. The first few weeks, These players should focus on learning how to do each exercise rather than on how much weight you’re lifting or how many exercises you’re doing.
Every coach wants to win so I’m sure, that what he says, is correct, usually. Although there are the college graduate, masters degree holding, populus of the wonderful T-Nation to listen to… pfft! (sarcasm) Just listen to your coach, they know what they are doing.
[quote]flipHKD_6 wrote:
Just listen to your coach, they know what they are doing.[/quote]
My strength & conditioning teacher, at the college level, told me that the bench press did not significantly work my triceps & deltoids, but did work my biceps. He said that our body temperature is “near boiling”: he confused fahrenheit with celcius. He also stated that “back work” is just something you throw in at the end of a workout because it was not important. These are only a few of the ignorant comments he made.
He had his masters in … something physical education related. It was related to injury rehab, IIRC. He also was a coach for a variety of sports teams at the high school level.
[quote]goochadamg wrote:
flipHKD_6 wrote:
Just listen to your coach, they know what they are doing.
My strength & conditioning teacher, at the college level, told me that the bench press did not significantly work my triceps & deltoids, but did work my biceps. He said that our body temperature is “near boiling”: he confused fahrenheit with celcius. He also stated that “back work” is just something you throw in at the end of a workout because it was not important. These are only a few of the ignorant comments he made.
He had his masters in … something physical education related. It was related to injury rehab, IIRC. He also was a coach for a variety of sports teams at the high school level.
Just saying.
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yea whenever my football team lift weights i just do my own routine …
I made a mistake with the title, like you guys never make mistakes. lol Avocado you’re missing the most important details like, working the same muscle groups everyday even when sore from the previous workout thinking that their bodies would grow totally immune to soreness. Not to mention lifting the same stations benching, curling, and squatting everyday for example First of all a football coach isn’t a master at bodybuilding. Some coaches don’t know shit.
The coach that knows something on our team never said any kind of routine like this because he knows better. Secondly like the dude said before, INJURY RISKS are HIGH if you lift a muscle group again before it is healed or atleast 90% That’s like the most basic rule of all weightlifting.
I read TONS of bodybuilding books and I know a lot of stuff and that’s one thing that I knew. I saw the guy in agony from the last workout which was the previous day and the coach still convinced him to lift that day. You can’t get stronger lifting like that everyday because you grow when you rest between workouts. NObody can defeat soreness unless you had a half-assed workout.
Lots of people have great success working muscles while sore. It may not be the best thing to do, but it’s not dangerous, unless they’re maxing out on squats everyday or something. Get over yourself.
I belive there is a certain manner when doing that. I’m not talking about a little soreness. If one were to workout in this manner, the weight should be light and there shouldn’t be many sets which he is doing the opposite.
Also factor in the other variables, they don’t eat like a person would that normally lifts weights and they take no supplements so their not getting proper nutrition.
Since the OP hasn’t given any details on the intensity or volume or density of workouts, I don’t know how anyone can be making the conclusions they are.
You can recover from a light workout in 12 hours. If you want to do pushups twice a day you can do that.
It’s about conditioning. You can work through the pain and eventually you will stop getting sore. For a beginner doing a light workout daily is perfectly acceptable. Doing a hard workout each day is not. It sounds like the problem is the progression is too steep. They probably see the other guys lifting heavy weights and want to push as hard as they can.
My H.S. coaches were fucking retarted when it came to weight lifting. They purchased like 6 different programs to use over the course of 4 years. I wouldn’t trust any coach in my old H.S. with weight lifting advice.
I must have misread you. I didn’t realize they were going at such an intensity that they were debilitatingly sore the next day. I agree tat if you go at such an intensity that you are in agony the next day then you should not train everyday and esp not sport spec training.
So yeah, It’s fine that they work full body but if they work it that hard then they should not be doing it everyday.
In other news: It is not uncommon for a coach with some out-dated degree in pys ed or kinesiology to not know shit about legitimate training. A ton of knowledge that is quite popular has been garnered through pure conjecture. That is the way phys ed used to be.
BOTTOM LINE: Always think critically about what you are doing. Consider all side before dogmatically aligning yourself. Are previous or senior team members strong, fast and do they make the plays? If so maybe there is some stead in what your coach is saying. Or It may just be luck or sandbagging. If not then critically reach your own solution. Either way be sure to question and expect and respect others questioning you.
-chris
[quote]sed26 wrote:
I made a mistake with the title, like you guys never make mistakes. lol Avocado you’re missing the most important details like, working the same muscle groups everyday even when sore from the previous workout thinking that their bodies would grow totally immune to soreness. Not to mention lifting the same stations benching, curling, and squatting everyday for example First of all a football coach isn’t a master at bodybuilding. Some coaches don’t know shit.
The coach that knows something on our team never said any kind of routine like this because he knows better. Secondly like the dude said before, INJURY RISKS are HIGH if you lift a muscle group again before it is healed or atleast 90% That’s like the most basic rule of all weightlifting.
I read TONS of bodybuilding books and I know a lot of stuff and that’s one thing that I knew. I saw the guy in agony from the last workout which was the previous day and the coach still convinced him to lift that day. You can’t get stronger lifting like that everyday because you grow when you rest between workouts. NObody can defeat soreness unless you had a half-assed workout.[/quote]
Heres your problem: he isnt training you for bodybuilding, hes training you for football. These guys that are so sore are probably just beginners (who will get sore from just about anything) and pussies too.
So you read some bodybuilding books and “know a ton of stuff”? I guess that makes you more qualified than the guy whose job is to turn fat, weak, slow kids into football players.
Entertain us though, oh wise master. What exactly does this coach have these kids doing? Like, exact sets, reps, etc.