Lately I’ve been doing protein/fats for the entire day, with the exception of 50-100g carbs for my peri workout. Obviously I’ll have carbs if I’m out with friends/family so I never have an actual need for a carb up. I think this is what’s best for me, and probably best for a lot of people. For some reason, carb ups get the best of people (myself included) and lead them to think they can benefit from eating ice cream and other junk
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Lately I’ve been doing protein/fats for the entire day, with the exception of 50-100g carbs for my peri workout. Obviously I’ll have carbs if I’m out with friends/family so I never have an actual need for a carb up. I think this is what’s best for me, and probably best for a lot of people. For some reason, carb ups get the best of people (myself included) and lead them to think they can benefit from eating ice cream and other junk[/quote]
I agree that many would overdo the carb ups. MOST people are delusional about their bodyfat and should limit their carbs do ONE cheat meal every 5-7 days! When they are lean enough, carbs around workout would be fine and thereafter they could/should have a cheat meal-day depending on bodyfat levels etc…but 2 full days of carbs AND peri workout carbs won’t do many much good IMO UNLESS they are super insulin sensitive and very lean.
GJ
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Speaking of Leangains, you can utilize the protocol whilst on the AD. Just fast 16 hours then enjoy your 8 hour feeding window[/quote]
Hey BK, since you do paleo, how much starchy carbs do you actually eat? Of course it wouldn’t be many, but are you eating any at all? [/quote]
Not often…maybe 2-3/ week in the form of baking flours and potatoes. However, as of now I’m trying to use up my buckwheat and whole wheat flours and just co with almond, coconut, and peanut flours for baking so I’m eating a few more baked goods this week. Healthy of course 
I really enjoy cooking so if a recipe calls for a starch then I’ll eat a starch. But generally speaking I really dig eating up a ton of meat with some fruit and vegetables after my sessions. Something I did today was blend a frozen banana, cocoa, and chocolate protein powder for a nice frozen yogurt-esque post workout semi-shake. I’ll probably do this plenty with other frozen fruits. Oh and if you count any sort of squash I enjoy stuffing acorn squash and utilizing spaghetti squash for its obvious purpose.
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Lately I’ve been doing protein/fats for the entire day, with the exception of 50-100g carbs for my peri workout. Obviously I’ll have carbs if I’m out with friends/family so I never have an actual need for a carb up. I think this is what’s best for me, and probably best for a lot of people. For some reason, carb ups get the best of people (myself included) and lead them to think they can benefit from eating ice cream and other junk[/quote]
I agree that many would overdo the carb ups. MOST people are delusional about their bodyfat and should limit their carbs do ONE cheat meal every 5-7 days! When they are lean enough, carbs around workout would be fine and thereafter they could/should have a cheat meal-day depending on bodyfat levels etc…but 2 full days of carbs AND peri workout carbs won’t do many much good IMO UNLESS they are super insulin sensitive and very lean.
GJ[/quote]
Ah man. You’ve been reading too much about this stuff. I know for a fact that high carb diets will provide the same fat loss as low carb diets as long as protein stays high.
Lets say you eat 4 meals a day. Each meal has 55g carbs, 55g pro, and 10g fat. Thats 220g carbs, 220g pro, and 40g fat per day for a total of 2120 calories per day. I’m 6’5" and 210 lbs. I burn more than that just sitting on my ass. I guarantee I would be ripped as hell in 2 to 3 months eating that way and lifting weights.
The only benefits of low carb diets are that they satiate so you can eat less. That’s about it. I have a bodybuilder friend who does chicken and sweet potatoes every meal until his show in August and he gets ridiculously shredded. That’s high carb but it still works. So there’s proof right there that this carb timing and carb restriction is pseudoscience.
I know it seems that I’m bashing low carb diets but they really are my favorite and I follow one almost all the time. Whether cutting or adding muscle. I just wanted to make it clear that there is nothing magical about them.
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Lately I’ve been doing protein/fats for the entire day, with the exception of 50-100g carbs for my peri workout. Obviously I’ll have carbs if I’m out with friends/family so I never have an actual need for a carb up. I think this is what’s best for me, and probably best for a lot of people. For some reason, carb ups get the best of people (myself included) and lead them to think they can benefit from eating ice cream and other junk[/quote]
I agree that many would overdo the carb ups. MOST people are delusional about their bodyfat and should limit their carbs do ONE cheat meal every 5-7 days! When they are lean enough, carbs around workout would be fine and thereafter they could/should have a cheat meal-day depending on bodyfat levels etc…but 2 full days of carbs AND peri workout carbs won’t do many much good IMO UNLESS they are super insulin sensitive and very lean.
GJ[/quote]
Ah man. You’ve been reading too much about this stuff. I know for a fact that high carb diets will provide the same fat loss as low carb diets as long as protein stays high.
Lets say you eat 4 meals a day. Each meal has 55g carbs, 55g pro, and 10g fat. Thats 220g carbs, 220g pro, and 40g fat per day for a total of 2120 calories per day. I’m 6’5" and 210 lbs. I burn more than that just sitting on my ass. I guarantee I would be ripped as hell in 2 to 3 months eating that way and lifting weights.
The only benefits of low carb diets are that they satiate so you can eat less. That’s about it. I have a bodybuilder friend who does chicken and sweet potatoes every meal until his show in August and he gets ridiculously shredded. That’s high carb but it still works. So there’s proof right there that this carb timing and carb restriction is pseudoscience.
I know it seems that I’m bashing low carb diets but they really are my favorite and I follow one almost all the time. Whether cutting or adding muscle. I just wanted to make it clear that there is nothing magical about them.[/quote]
Actually, I did not base the above purely on “stuff I have read” but also with results obtained with my clients and the hundreds on clients my colleugues deal with on a daily basis. Trust me when I say that putting someone who is insulin resistant on a high carb diet is a waste of time…it MAY lead to fat loss if in deficit but they will lose muscle and strength with it. I used a higher carbs approach a while ago to “cut” and became nothing but a pisweak little version of myself.
Upon getting my biosignature tested and learning more and more about hormones I found that I was/am insulin resistant so I used a low carbs/high fat appraoch and am getting leaner whilst gaining strength and muscle mass. Again I am NOT saying this is best for everyone. Heck, I know plenty of guys who would suffer without carbs daily-It is VERY individual…I do not doubt that YOU could get ripped in a few months eating high carbs nor your friend who cut for his show…but I have to say that this would be due to been genetically gifted for carbs. GENETICS is the number influencial factor in the game…
There are many experts that will atest to what I say based not only on research but more on empirical evidence with MANY clients, which holds more credit than results obtained only by yourself or and a few friends.
Not fighting bro…just explaining my thoughts. I understand if your choose not to agree with me:)
GJ
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Actually, I did not base the above purely on “stuff I have read” but also with results obtained with my clients and the hundreds on clients my colleugues deal with on a daily basis. Trust me when I say that putting someone who is insulin resistant on a high carb diet is a waste of time…it MAY lead to fat loss if in deficit but they will lose muscle and strength with it. I used a higher carbs approach a while ago to “cut” and became nothing but a pisweak little version of myself.
Upon getting my biosignature tested and learning more and more about hormones I found that I was/am insulin resistant so I used a low carbs/high fat appraoch and am getting leaner whilst gaining strength and muscle mass. Again I am NOT saying this is best for everyone. Heck, I know plenty of guys who would suffer without carbs daily-It is VERY individual…I do not doubt that YOU could get ripped in a few months eating high carbs nor your friend who cut for his show…but I have to say that this would be due to been genetically gifted for carbs. GENETICS is the number influencial factor in the game…
There are many experts that will atest to what I say based not only on research but more on empirical evidence with MANY clients, which holds more credit than results obtained only by yourself or and a few friends.
Not fighting bro…just explaining my thoughts. I understand if your choose not to agree with me:)
GJ[/quote]
We’ll have to agree to disagree =)
Hi,
Induction going strong. Question: anyone have any experience or thoughts on using HOT-ROX on the anabolic diet? Apologies if this has been asked before.
I’m using this is a general purpose diet not just cutting and am thinking about throwing some extra horsepower behind the fatburning.
Thanks in advance,
H
Any of you guys bulked on this diet. Currently im 5’8 190 12%bf and i want to get up 200 10%bf and see how I look and try to decide on whether im ready to compete in middle weight yet or not.
My diet looks like this…
4500 calorie meal plan
Meal 1: 2 chicken fillets, 6 pieces of bacon, 1 bag of nuts, 3 fish oil caps.
Meal 2: 1 pound ground beef, 2 TBS sour cream, 3 fish oil caps.
Meal 3: .5 pound ground beef, 2 TBS sour cream, 4 oz. Monterey jack cheese, 3 fish oil caps.
Meal 4: 3 bags of nuts, 6 pieces of bacon, 1 chicken breast, 1 fish oil cap.
Meal 5: 580 calories of something low carb.
3 chicken breasts= 390 calories
4 oz. Monterey jack cheese= 440 calories
12 pieces of bacon= 540 calories
10 fish oil caps= 90 calories
1.5 pound ground beef= 1,740 calories
4 TBS sour cream= 120 calories
4 bags of nuts= 600 calories
I might have to up to 5000 calories maybe… Im on day 6 of 12 of the induction phase and want to give this an honest try. Ill ust do 2 clean carb up meals a week after the induction phase.
I don’t count Carbs from my spinich or broccoli but I am not sure if I should count onions, cucumbers, or tomatoes. What do you guys do?
[quote]broken4head wrote:
I don’t count Carbs from my spinich or broccoli but I am not sure if I should count onions, cucumbers, or tomatoes. What do you guys do?[/quote]
When I was on the AD i never counted green veggies, but yes, I counted tomoatoes, onions, anything not green. Now I just eat any veggies/fruit if I want. I know PauliD said to count tomatoes, or try to avoid them.
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
I don’t count Carbs from my spinich or broccoli but I am not sure if I should count onions, cucumbers, or tomatoes. What do you guys do?[/quote]
When I was on the AD i never counted green veggies, but yes, I counted tomoatoes, onions, anything not green. Now I just eat any veggies/fruit if I want. I know PauliD said to count tomatoes, or try to avoid them.[/quote]
Then I’m not sure about cucumbers. Sure they are green but they aren’t dark and leafy like broccoli and spinach.
[quote]broken4head wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
I don’t count Carbs from my spinich or broccoli but I am not sure if I should count onions, cucumbers, or tomatoes. What do you guys do?[/quote]
When I was on the AD i never counted green veggies, but yes, I counted tomoatoes, onions, anything not green. Now I just eat any veggies/fruit if I want. I know PauliD said to count tomatoes, or try to avoid them.[/quote]
Then I’m not sure about cucumbers. Sure they are green but they aren’t dark and leafy like broccoli and spinach.[/quote]
Cucumbers are fine…Lebanese are nice and convenient to eat with each meal.
GJ
Been on the diet for a week. I feel great as I have lost around 1% of bf and a few pounds. Lost an inch around my waist and haven’t felt tired/exhausted which is a relief for me. I do have a question about eggs though. I was looking at a few old the old cartons I have and noticed that they say that these large eggs have 1g of carbs. Shopping around Walmart, Target, Safeway, etc, all the eggs say the same thing. However, when looking online, I get a different answer. Everything is around .4 carbs per egg. I know that I am just looking too much into it, but who’s right?
Is it that eggs have such a small amount of carbs they just round up to be “on the safe side”? I eat around 8 eggs a day so yeah, this can make an impact on what else I eat haha.
[quote]acj4k wrote:
Been on the diet for a week. I feel great as I have lost around 1% of bf and a few pounds. Lost an inch around my waist and haven’t felt tired/exhausted which is a relief for me. I do have a question about eggs though. I was looking at a few old the old cartons I have and noticed that they say that these large eggs have 1g of carbs. Shopping around Walmart, Target, Safeway, etc, all the eggs say the same thing. However, when looking online, I get a different answer. Everything is around .4 carbs per egg. I know that I am just looking too much into it, but who’s right?
Is it that eggs have such a small amount of carbs they just round up to be “on the safe side”? I eat around 8 eggs a day so yeah, this can make an impact on what else I eat haha.[/quote]
I track my diet on fitday.com (I suggest doing so. It’s completely free, a lot of people use it) and they count carbs as 0.5 or so. I ate plenty of eggs while on the AD and I never had a problem with staying under 30g. I never counted broccoli/spinach though (after a few weeks of transition).
Thanks for the quick response.
I track my diet on fitday as well which is the reason why I noticed the difference in the first place. I figured that it really didn’t matter but thought I asked anyway.
Do you guys keep protein up to 1g/1Lb bw on weekend carb ups? And if so what do the macros look like?
[quote]broken4head wrote:
Do you guys keep protein up to 1g/1Lb bw on weekend carb ups? And if so what do the macros look like?[/quote]
I keep protein at very low levels.
[quote]Antonio Wright wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
Do you guys keep protein up to 1g/1Lb bw on weekend carb ups? And if so what do the macros look like?[/quote]
I keep protein at very low levels. [/quote]
How low is low?
[quote]broken4head wrote:
[quote]Antonio Wright wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
Do you guys keep protein up to 1g/1Lb bw on weekend carb ups? And if so what do the macros look like?[/quote]
I keep protein at very low levels. [/quote]
How low is low?[/quote]
8oz chicken breast low.
[quote]Antonio Wright wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
[quote]Antonio Wright wrote:
[quote]broken4head wrote:
Do you guys keep protein up to 1g/1Lb bw on weekend carb ups? And if so what do the macros look like?[/quote]
I keep protein at very low levels. [/quote]
How low is low?[/quote]
8oz chicken breast low. [/quote]
Thats it for the whole day?