[quote]zahmad wrote:
She is Muslim. She has to cover herself. The sport says you can’t compete if you cover yourself. Therefore a Muslim woman cannot compete. That’s discrimination.
That is the right of the sport to select a uniform if they want. But they should not claim that they don’t discriminate based on religion when the uniform prohibits people of certain religions to participate.
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you’re just biased right now. The rules are made on the basis of cheating, not on the basis of fucking religion. end fucking thread.[/quote]
I’m not being biased. The organization says it doesn’t discriminate based on religion. If a nun wanted to compete and asked to dress modestly I would feel the same way for her.
I understand the rule being made on the basis of cheating, and I agree with you (as I mentioned before) that if they cannot determine if she is cheating then it is a valid argument. But she has described a way for them to determine that and they should at least give her the opportunity to determine if she can compete covered. When they take away the opportunity, then that is discrimination.[/quote]
Well, sure, they could probably allow her to wear some type of compression type thing, so they can clearly see her elbows and knees. But if she refuses to do that, too bad.[/quote]
[quote]zahmad wrote:
She is Muslim. She has to cover herself. The sport says you can’t compete if you cover yourself. Therefore a Muslim woman cannot compete. That’s discrimination.
That is the right of the sport to select a uniform if they want. But they should not claim that they don’t discriminate based on religion when the uniform prohibits people of certain religions to participate.
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you’re just biased right now. The rules are made on the basis of cheating, not on the basis of fucking religion. end fucking thread.[/quote]
I’m not being biased. The organization says it doesn’t discriminate based on religion. If a nun wanted to compete and asked to dress modestly I would feel the same way for her.
I understand the rule being made on the basis of cheating, and I agree with you (as I mentioned before) that if they cannot determine if she is cheating then it is a valid argument. But she has described a way for them to determine that and they should at least give her the opportunity to determine if she can compete covered. When they take away the opportunity, then that is discrimination.[/quote]
No, it’s not. There are Muslim women who choose not to veil themselves in every country other than Saudi Arabia and Iran. It is HER CHOICE to do so. These are IWF rules. Are you honestly saying the IWF discriminates against Muslims? If so, there are plenty of male Muslim weightlifters. So then are they only discriminating against female Muslim weightlifters? Seems like a very specific bias to me.
Discrimination rarely occurs in obvious ways, and usually moreso in hiding behind rules (even rules that have a real reason).
If they claim to not discriminate then they should be inclusive, which means giving her the opportunity to determine if she can be correctly be judged for the competition.
[quote]zahmad wrote:
Discrimination rarely occurs in obvious ways, and usually moreso in hiding behind rules (even rules that have a real reason).
If they claim to not discriminate then they should be inclusive, which means giving her the opportunity to determine if she can be correctly be judged for the competition.
/end thread
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Dude, it’s not discrimination based on religion. If she showed up and by the rules lifted the most weight, she’d win the competition. However, if you break the rules you don’t win. Sounds fair to me.
I’ll make sure that next time I get pulled over by a cop, I tell him that it’s against my religion to drive under 70 during a jihad.
i think it is a shame to cast it as a religious discrimination issue. does seem to me that the issue is more one of the rules for athletic attire. i wish they would change the rules on the clothes. it would be nice of them to have rules that exhibited sensitivity to her plight (especially since there are a large number of women who wear that attire daily and i do think it is a shame to bar them from sports because of clothing regulations).
It’s unfair to call it religious discrimination, the rules clearly ban anyone that doesnt wear the proper attire, it doesn’t specifically single out muslims
Regarding the Muslim girl and her lifting attire:
Would the judges have problems determining if she has completed the lift? I don’t know all the judging criteria.
Could someone cheat wearing what she is wearing?
To me these are the only things that matter regarding this issue.
Also it is a shame that her religious attire is so limiting for her maybe she should change that.
Regarding the Muslim girl and her lifting attire:
Would the judges have problems determining if she has completed the lift? I don’t know all the judging criteria.
Could someone cheat wearing what she is wearing?
To me these are the only things that matter regarding this issue.
Also it is a shame that her religious attire is so limiting for her maybe she should change that. [/quote]
Easily. It’s not just knees and elbows that need to be exposed. The judges have to be able to determine if she’s wearing grooved briefs or any kind of supprot across her chest. Either comply with the rules of GTFO.
Last April (I think) I was watching this Weight Lifting championship in Kazan. I’m quite sure there were plenty of Turkish and Azerbaijan women competing without any issues, using the required clothing and all that.
If those muslim girls can compete showing elbow and knees, why can’t other muslim girls show it as well?
[quote]zahmad wrote:
Discrimination rarely occurs in obvious ways, and usually moreso in hiding behind rules (even rules that have a real reason).
If they claim to not discriminate then they should be inclusive, which means giving her the opportunity to determine if she can be correctly be judged for the competition.
/end thread
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holy shit youre a moron and i cant stand people like you who play the discrimination card all the time
what if she wanted to be a figure competitor but didnt want to show any of her skin? is it discrimination to not let her compete?
blind people cant get drivers permits, is that discrimination? shouldnt we change the rules to accommodate them especially since they didnt choose to be blind unlike that woman who chooses to wear a hijab…
