[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I wonder if TC has seen this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ve been a-feared to come on.[/quote]
Just clarify that you’re talking about carrying a high-bodyfat percentage. I mean, that seemed to clearly be the point you were trying to make.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Your the Big DD. Sorry man DD has better Avi. [/quote]
What? I’ll have you know that catfish was very tasty. [/quote]
Actually your av is more fitting because I keep misreading this thread as “Most BodyBuilders Look Like Carp”
I heard that if you say “strawman” three time in the mirror with the lights off, a 50 year old man weighing EXACTLY 249.98lbs appears behind you and rapes you.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I wonder if TC has seen this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ve been a-feared to come on.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I heard that if you say “strawman” three time in the mirror with the lights off, a 50 year old man weighing EXACTLY 249.98lbs appears behind you and rapes you.[/quote]
Sounds like fun. I’ll have to try that…
The “bodybuilders” TC referred to in his article really aren’t bodybuilders at all. The title of the article was a bit misleading. His beef appears to be with lifters who bulk and get big for the sake of being hyuuge while ignoring body fat altogether.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I wonder if TC has seen this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ve been a-feared to come on.[/quote]
LOL
[/quote]
Oh the humanity!
Man, that’s a great pic! I would have used that in the article if I’d seen it!
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I wonder if TC has seen this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ve been a-feared to come on.[/quote]
Just clarify that you’re talking about carrying a high-bodyfat percentage. I mean, that seemed to clearly be the point you were trying to make. [/quote]
Yes, absolutely. Largely aimed at those that pack on fat, blur their eyes when they look in the mirror, and somehow see striated muscle.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I wonder if TC has seen this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ve been a-feared to come on.[/quote]
LOL
[/quote]
Oh the humanity!
Man, that’s a great pic! I would have used that in the article if I’d seen it![/quote]
I’ve been waiting for ages to use that one, and yeah, that would have been perfect. Nice pun you slipped in there too 
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I wonder if TC has seen this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ve been a-feared to come on.[/quote]
Just clarify that you’re talking about carrying a high-bodyfat percentage. I mean, that seemed to clearly be the point you were trying to make. [/quote]
Yes, absolutely. Largely aimed at those that pack on fat, blur their eyes when they look in the mirror, and somehow see striated muscle. [/quote]
And while people like that do exist, the ones who understand they are carrying more body fat for a period of time for a reason seem to be getting tossed into the mix.
I honestly do not see many people with muscular proportions of a bodybuilder (ie, looks like they are carrying an extreme amount of muscle in ways that are usually associated with years in the gym), who are carrying extra body fat but somehow think they are super lean.
I DO see many guys like that who understand they aren’t that lean and don’t really care.
Delusional people exist on both sides including the literal TONS of people who are skinny but think they are built.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Serge Nubret is dead.[/quote]
Dude he was poisioned, and a picture of health at 70, something which appears to be impossible according to the original article.[/quote]
Yeah, that’s the rumor that he was poisoned. It’s a shame.
MG, Serge was WELL under 250 pounds for his entire life, so I don’t think he has anything to do with what the OP is stating.
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It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a serious discussion in these forums without someone building a STRAWMAN (someone take a drink) and misrepresenting your point. Impossible. I argued with lawyers for the last 20 years and even though most of them are lying cheating assholes, I guess I was spoiled because the average person cannot construct an intelligent fucking rebuttal.
If you disagree with me, fine. But at least don’t misrepresent my words to make your point.
The article, and my OP, were not about guys that were the “picture of health”. It’s about those guys that are the perpetual manatees - not the guys bulking to diet down. The guys that look like shit. I added my personal twist about my decision not to carry any extra junk as I age - it wasn’t a declaration that I had plans to get all Brad Pitt.
And finally, it occurred to me that some of you in this thread remind me of that joke about masturbating. In response to being told it would make you blind, they stated they would only do it until they need glasses. Funny joke, but sadly illustrates a basic human weakness - that until we are on the precipice of disaster, we rarely change.
Hopefully, none of you guys that aspire to be hyooge will go blind. Not that I’m seriously worried about most of you getting hyooge. LOL But the vampire dude is definitely in my death pool. And I remain hopeful that X will actually compete. I respect his work. I just don’t like some of the things he writes and I’m sure it’s mutual. [/quote]
in your deathpool??? i find that funny considering you know nothing about me. like that i take about 12 grams of fish oils per day. that i routinely do cardio exercise after every weight training session. That i take more vitamins and liver pills and you name it i take it. just cause im a big guy, im in your death pool??? for someone who claims to be such a smart guy, you sure don’t base any of your statements on fact. before you deem someone unhealthy, maybe you should know a bit more facts.[/quote]
You remain in my death pool. Ever been to a cardiologist? What is your blood work? Is your steroid abuse managed by doctors?
Hmm. Lemme guess. You’re self-managing your steroid abuse and you’re using “bro science” with regard to the “liver pills” because you obviously take orals. You have never had a stress test and your blood work, if you’ve had it recently, is out of range.
Amiwrong?[/quote]
first off i have had a stress test a few years back. as far as managing things myself, of course i am. most drs don’t believe in supplements. if you have high blood pressure, do you think a dr. would ever recommend hawthorne berry or celery seed extract. do you think arnold or any of the old time bodybuilders had drs. helping them, are you serious. the only thing slightly out of range on my tests is liver enzymes. but even my dr. has said, that can happen just by lifting weights intensly.
I don’t need any more stress tests, cause i do regular cardio exercise. therefore i don’t need it. Now i could understand your point if i had something majorly wrong with me. but your talking about pretty tame things here. if you do the things necessary for good health, my opinion is tests are unnessary. again, your basing your death pool thing cause im big, thats it.
ok, you seem to be under this misconception that steroids are dangerous and your one of those guys that dramatically over exxagerate what steroids do. let me say this, steroids have never killed anyone. thats a fact. you show me one case where steroids alone have ever proven to a factor of death to anyone. nobody dies from steroids. period. anything thing they do cause, can be easily treated with other supplements.
and please, don’t tell me how dangerous orals are, your one of those guys that over exxagerate everything. can they raise blood pressure, sure, can they raise triglyercide levels, sure, BUT, can fish oils counteract both of those, yes, they can. can celery seed extract lower blood pressure. its been proven to be just as effective as presription meds in head to head tests. so any negative thing that roids do, i take something to counteract that. [/quote]
Dude, you’re delusional. And stop with the fallacious responses. I did not take a position on steroids. I said ABUSE and it’s clear you ABUSE steroids.
Next, your posts and reasoning consistently demonstrate an additive personality, denial and low self-esteem. Seriously dude, go get some professional help if you love your daughter so much.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
For must of us, 250+ is going to be pretty unhealthy and pretty flabby.
[/quote]
THIS!
Why this escapes the likes of even X is astounding given his size snobbery and his unfiltered comments about people looking like they don’t even lift. Most of you will NEVER be 250+ and healthy over the long term. And if you’re not north of 250, how the fuck do you even have an informed opinion on that matter???
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I heard that if you say “strawman” three time in the mirror with the lights off, a 50 year old man weighing EXACTLY 249.98lbs appears behind you and rapes you.[/quote]
I heard if you claim to be a bodybuilder three times in the mirror with the lights on, a real bodybuilder that has gay sex to pay for his “supplements” appears in front of you and sucks you off. Is this a daily habit for you X?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
I believe the point of the article should be - don’t carry excess fat in your effort to look big. [/quote]
Bingo - that’s really all the article is saying. That’s BG’s point as well.
I don’t know how it got so convoluted.[/quote]
Yeah and I agreed with the that point. But when BG said:
"It wasn’t the point of the article and it wasn’t my point. The point of the article was, a lot of guys are on a constant bulk and carry more junk that necessary and it’s unhealthy (it absolutely is). My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition . It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story. "
despite bragging about how great shape he is in at 240 lbs. 240 is OK. 250, that’s unhealthy.[/quote]
Exactly. If all BG was saying was “don’t get obese”, no one would be challenging him. Instead, a guy with very little to no medical background is trying to tell us that a specific weight is the cause of poor health…all while degrading every single person who disagrees with him.
If “250lbs” is now unhealthy, why the hell would he weigh just 10lbs south of death?
…and then act like the guys with medical training are clueless?
OK.[/quote]
LOL if you don’t stop building strawmen, I can’t stop saying it. Do you even realize that your replies are fallacious? You do fucking realize I never said anything about a specific weight don’t you? How someone with your limited reading comprehension could work anywhere other than a place with his name on a tag on his shirt is beyond me.
And let’s get this clear. You’re a dentist. Not a fucking internist. When we need advice on teeth, I’m sure it will be like E.F. Hutton speaking. But every single fucking time you elude to your medical training outside the mouth and gums, there is a collective fucking eye roll all over the universe (and this forum).
Are you really that unaware?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I heard that if you say “strawman” three time in the mirror with the lights off, a 50 year old man weighing EXACTLY 249.98lbs appears behind you and rapes you.[/quote]
I heard if you claim to be a bodybuilder three times in the mirror with the lights on, a real bodybuilder that has gay sex to pay for his “supplements” appears in front of you and sucks you off. Is this a daily habit for you X?[/quote]
what’s with you and your instant reliance on homophobic slurs as some kind of insult? repress much?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
For must of us, 250+ is going to be pretty unhealthy and pretty flabby.
[/quote]
THIS!
Why this escapes the likes of even X is astounding given his size snobbery and his unfiltered comments about people looking like they don’t even lift. Most of you will NEVER be 250+ and healthy over the long term. And if you’re not north of 250, how the fuck do you even have an informed opinion on that matter???[/quote]
? Who has ever said that most people could reach over 250lbs without being just super fat?
In terms of bodybuilding, this has always been an activity for people with above average genetics. MOST PEOPLE won’t ever get arms over 18" lean.
Why should those of us who can worry about those who can’t?
If you alone can’t hit that weight without nearly dying, then stop trying to weigh that much.
Just quit acting like your own weaknesses in genetics translate to every other human on the planet.
You are arguing with people more educated and trained than you about matters concerning biology…people who have made more gains than you in the time spent lifting.
How does that make sense to you?
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
I believe the point of the article should be - don’t carry excess fat in your effort to look big. [/quote]
Bingo - that’s really all the article is saying. That’s BG’s point as well.
I don’t know how it got so convoluted.[/quote]
Yeah and I agreed with the that point. But when BG said:
"It wasn’t the point of the article and it wasn’t my point. The point of the article was, a lot of guys are on a constant bulk and carry more junk that necessary and it’s unhealthy (it absolutely is). My point was as middle age nears, it’s not healthy to be 250 plus no matter what the composition . It’s a strain on your heart - period. End of story. "
despite bragging about how great shape he is in at 240 lbs. 240 is OK. 250, that’s unhealthy.[/quote]
Not what I said. You inferred it. More weight = more strain.
Are you arguing that being larger than necessary into your later years is healthy? Care to explore the mortality of people of above average height?
You can play with my words all you want. It doesn’t change the basic message. You want to hear what you want to hear.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
For must of us, 250+ is going to be pretty unhealthy and pretty flabby.
[/quote]
THIS!
Why this escapes the likes of even X is astounding given his size snobbery and his unfiltered comments about people looking like they don’t even lift. Most of you will NEVER be 250+ and healthy over the long term. And if you’re not north of 250, how the fuck do you even have an informed opinion on that matter???[/quote]
? Who has ever said that most people could reach over 250lbs without being just super fat?
In terms of bodybuilding, this has always been an activity for people with above average genetics. MOST PEOPLE won’t ever get arms over 18" lean.
Why should those of us who can worry about those who can’t?
If you alone can’t hit that weight without nearly dying, then stop trying to weigh that much.
Just quit acting like your own weaknesses in genetics transalte to every other human on the planet.[/quote]
LOL? Weakness. I wasn’t fat. I was 265 and leaner than you are in your most recent pics.
And again, comprehension fail. If most people can’t get there without getting fat, isn’t THAT KINDA THE FUCKING POINT OF THE ARTICLE YOU MORON???
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I DO see many guys like that who understand they aren’t that lean and don’t really care.
Delusional people exist on both sides including the literal TONS of people who are skinny but think they are built.[/quote]
These two things are worth mentioning again. There are a lot of guys who just like lifting weights and eating, and they could give a shit if someone thinks they look too convex. It can’t be expected that everyone in the gym wants to train and eat like bodybuilders.
To the second point, that’s the glaring omission from the article to me. A skinny lean guy is not a better bodybuilder than a fat huge guy; they are merely opposite ends of the same spectrum. However, I’m sure the skinny lean guy buys “bulking supplements,” while I doubt the big guy buys “cutting supplements,” thus the article. Like DB said at the beginning and others are echoing now, it’s just business.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
These two things are worth mentioning again. There are a lot of guys who just like lifting weights and eating, and they could give a shit if someone thinks they look too convex. It can’t be expected that everyone in the gym wants to train and eat like bodybuilders.[/quote]
…Which is where I was to put on most of the size I have now. I liked to eat, I liked to lift and didn’t give a shit about my abs. That worked for me in terms of gaining size. I am now chnaging my overall goals and at no time during the period of gaining did I think I was super lean or think fat was muscle.
It just did not matter…and even fat as hell comparitively I still looked decent in clothes and was still working on proportion.
Calling people like that out as if they shouldn’t live the way they want to live because someone sees them as having a body fat percentage that is too high is retarded.
