More Trouble Than I Am Worth: Chaos Is The Plan (T3hPwnisher Log)

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@LoRez In general I am a big fan of direct neck work. A big, strong neck NEVER goes out of style. And if thereā€™s a part of me that can get bigger and stronger: I wanna do just that. Iā€™ve been lazy with my own, but bridges and neck harness are always awesome. And absolutely so in terms of fighting. Being able to get out of a clinch because you have a strong enough neck is huge!


Ok, now some context. I actually kinda like this approach to the log: leave behind clues of the day for people to figure out and then come back later to explain them, haha


Got up at 0700 because the dog was being a total pain. She didnā€™t sleep well with all the fireworks going off. Took her downstairs to let my Valkyrie get her much deserved rest, did some Tabata squats and push ups while the dog had breakfast, and then went on a fasted walk. Longer than usual: Kentucky Windage it to 2.5 miles.

Got home, Valkyrie whipped me up a warriorā€™s breakfast of 2 omelets (2 eggs, 1 white) and lots of meat, and then we sailed off for adventure. I sampled coffee at various locals for the majority of my hydration and caffeination, and we acquired many steps. At some point through it all, I got in more push ups and bodyweight squats to reach daily goals.

I effectively fasted between my morning and evening meal, rather than my typical protein sparring modified fast. As an aside: was listening to a Carnivore podcast the other day from a carnivore bodybuilder that spoke to a conclusion I drew: traditional fasting is popular in the carnivore community because most there are actively using the approach FOR fat loss because theyā€™re coming from it in an obese state. For a lean athlete: PSFM is the preferred style of fasting. A carnivore based one works (egg whites and lean cuts of meat), and my shake based one answers the mail as well. Honestly good to close the chapter on that, and proof of concept regarding why itā€™s usual to be accumulating info/perspectives. That was one piece of info buried in 40 minutes of conversation, but a big piece.

I actually had a similar one in a Dan John podcast I was listening to while walking the dog: ā€œLOADED carryā€ means carry WHILE under a load. Wearing a weight vest would be ā€œbeing under a loadā€. Hell, Iā€™ve RECOMMENDED carries with a vest, and even done them before, but TOTALLY forgot about them while looking at Easy Strength. Definitely going to feature that in. I plan to do a write-up of my intended approach for this mash up soon.

BACK ON TOPIC

While out, we hit up a used bookstore and I scored an AMAZING find of Jack Dempseyā€™s ā€œChampionship Fightingā€, along with a ā€œViking Warrior Operations Manualā€ and a $3 book on Scandinavian Mythology. Thatā€™s just plain olā€™ Kismet. Literally buying that book re-light a fire in me to get back onto hitting a bag again. Iā€™ve got plans on working that into the training.

I also obtained a stupidly cheap single waffle maker. Itā€™s made by the same company that makes the little griddle I bring on work trips, so I know itā€™s legit. One more attempt at chaffles is ahead of me.

We eventually obtained all the plunder we needed from our raiding and voyaging, so we feasted. I discovered that the tavern of Buffalo Wings and Rings was offering SMOKED WINGS. They sold them in 5s and 10s. I asked if they could do 15. They did 15.

I ate 15. And the tips of the bones and all.

We eventually returned from our voyage as heroes, warmly greeted by our beloved animal companion as we unloaded the vessel with our loot. At some point, I performed 25 burpees in celebration and the entire family engaged in a 3 mile walk outside in the warm sunlight, observing explosions of color and stardust all around us.

Upon my return, I prepared part of the next dayā€™s feast (the short ribs of a bovine rich in muscle) by using a sharp weapon to remove itā€™s silver skin


At one point, during the day, I told my wife that, flat out, if you were to ask me to describe a perfect day, yesterday would have been it. Some training, amazing food, lots of family time, some retail therapy, a lot of walking and a lot of peace.

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Quick context, will expand later perhaps, butā€¦

Woke up at 0630 because dog was going nuts, got in a Tabata squats and push ups workout while it ate, and then pushed to get in the rest of the 300 before going out for a fasted 2.5 mile walk with the dog. Valkyrie was making me breakfast when I returned, so I returned to the smell of bacon cooking. Thatā€™s just absolutely amazing.

Made deviled eggs for the first time as an appetizer while we worked through the day and for our cookout meal at home. Did them ā€œmexican styleā€, using 1/4 cup of salsa, 1/4 cup of grassfed sour cream and some taco seasoning mixed with the yokes. It was Valkyrie approved, which is huge. I have a new side in my cookbook: thatā€™s clutch. I LOVE deviled eggs, and this is very much inline with how I eat. The salsa is technically ā€œnot-carnivoreā€, but whatever, Iā€™m no martyr over this stuff, itā€™s all quality nutrition.

Made a TON of meat for the 4th of July. In total was 4 chicken thighs, 3 beef back ribs, 2 beef chuck bone-in short ribs, 2 bison burgers, 2 hamburgers, 1 grassfed burger, 4 polish sausages and, 2 hot dogs, all of it done on a Ninja Woodfire Outdoor grill, the majority of it smoke, with just 1 3 sausages, 2 hot dogs and 2 burgers grilled.

Somewhere in the middle, I got in a workout to celebrate independence day.

Posted the thread for it here

Had my Rampage Meal. It was ā€œonlyā€ 1 plate, because I put enough on it. 2 beef chuck bone-in short ribs, 1 chicken thigh, 1 double bison burger with goat cheese on homemade sour dough with a slice of raw local tomato and some raw local avocado alongside some zero sugar BBQ sauce, 1 smoked polish sausage, 1 local sweet potato with raw local honey on it, 1 homemade cornbread muffin (just the top), a bit of local sweet corn, some local apples and cherries and 3 ā€œmexican styleā€ deviled eggs.

Not pictured was dessert, which my kiddo made all by themselves. It was a mini-chocolate pudding pie inside of a cute pie dish. I ate the whole thing and told my kid what an awesome job they did making it. I loved being able to be that dad at that moment. This kid also got to learn the best part about smoking meat: watching youtube videos while you wait! They were a champion at that, as we watched ā€œErik the Electricā€ take on American themed food.

After the meal, I felt like Erik in one of his videos, so we all went on a 3 mile walk out in the sun. I moved from my third back down to my second trimester of food baby in time for us to watch some fireworks. Brings the evening to a close. 2 BIG meals, and probably like 300g of protein in that last one. Might actually be fun to tabulate sometime. My Mass Made Simple/Easy Strength mash-up begins tomorrow. Plan is to call it the ā€œMESSā€ program. ā€œMass-Easy, Strength-Simpleā€. Simply because the acronym fits it well, but, in truth, the more I listen to Dan, the more I think this is totally inline with how heā€™d structure things. Either way, this will be exactly what I need, because Iā€™m still pretty damn sick and my strength is down. Time to swallow my ego, even MORE food, learn and grow.

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Ha this reads like that scene in the movie Friday where his mom lists all that stuff she made for breakfast and he sits down like ā€œHey wheres all the food?ā€ and shes like ā€œI didnt say I made any for youā€

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@Lonnie123 Itā€™s not TOO far off, haha.


AM WORKOUT (0420 natural wake up) FASTED

MESS (Mass-Easy, Strength-Simple) Day 1, Workout 1

Axle clean and strict press away
3x3x141

Weighted chin
3x3x30lbs

Deficit double overhand axle deadlift
3x251
2x251
3x191

Standing ab wheel
1x10

Reverse hyper
75x180

COMPLEX A (row-clean-front squat-press-squat-good morning)
3xBar
3x95
3x115

High bar Squats
30x95

1.5 mile run

Notes:

  • Day 1 of the mash-up. I was too heavy on just about everything, which is expected from being a meathead. I have to be at peace with how light of a bodyweight I am these days, and the impact thatā€™s going to have on maximal strength. Itā€™s why this is going to be a good program for me: developed strength at THIS size, and also try to IMPROVE this size. I specifically picked a very difficult deadlift variant so I could get out of my head with weights, although thinking about it I might even throw some chains into the mix next go round to really get my head out. It will also make loading simple. I really want to streamline this program and make it smooth, fast, simple and easy to execute, so I can leave the weights on the bar/platform between workouts and be able to just roll into the garage and nail a workout should the need arise.

  • Dan says multiple times in his book that, if he had to do it all over again, heā€™d only do 3x3 with the program, so I am going with that for now. If the need arises, there are other ways to go about Easy Strength, but right now Iā€™m appreciating keeping it simple.

  • Sticking with the underhand grip on chins because I need to really keep stressing those biceps. Lesson I learned from tearing it.

  • Iā€™ve also decided to use a squat style Iā€™ve literally never done before for the Mass Made Simple portion of this. I feel like thatā€™s an excellent challenge and way to really make this program interesting. I could feel it too! 30 reps of 95 was a challenge. Getting my bodyweight for 50 by the end of the program will be a fantastic goal.

  • My schedule is going to be tricky today, so I got in a run vs my dog walking so I could cover some ground. Iā€™m starting my new (and hopefully final before retirement) job today, and learning the hours and expectations. Exciting times ahead.

  • That Rampage meal I had may very well serve to be THE ideal model of what works for me, because my body has responded the best to that approach compared to any of the others. I woke up this morning GRAINY. My wifeā€™s exact words were ā€œYou could be a statueā€. Iā€™ve never seen that before. And I actually had an appetite when I went to bed, and was ready to eat after my workout (and still had my wake and shake in the middle of the night). I wasnā€™t bloated to the point of discomfort, I wasnā€™t sweating Crisco and grease during the workout or feeling like I needed a cleanse, but Iā€™m ALSO not flat from a lack of carbs and my energy feels strong. There was no junk in that meal, as even dessert was something from home made with quality ingredients. I ate meat to the point of bursting and had carbs from a lot of sources, but NOT to a point of absurd excess. Iā€™ll definitely need to remember this and model after it. Itā€™ll be a great working way forward. Iā€™m enjoying this nutritional discovery so much. The tinkering is the best part.

  • On the above, meal prep after that huge BBQ is pretty awesome. My lunch today is a smoked chicken thigh and 5 deviled eggs. Dinner will be leftover beef ribs. This is living.

  • Tang Soo Do later today. Iā€™ll get in some push ups and squats too.

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Not sure Iā€™ve said it lately, my dude, but your back is looking gnarly. Always inspiring!

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@SvenG Thanks so much man! Always been my strong point, and as Iā€™ve leaned out itā€™s really shined through.

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YouTube is acting up for me today so I canā€™t see your video, but looking forward to seeing how this goes dude!

The double overhand axle deadlift is such an equalizer. On the reps my grip failed it was so funny how light the weight felt on my body, but the complete inability to move it because I was actively dropping it.

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@mr.v3lv3t Thanks man! I imagine the only real unique thing will be real live footage of me doing high bar squats, haha.

Dan spoke so highly of thick bar DOH deads in his write-up I felt like a sucker if I didnā€™t do them. These days, the trap bar calls to me whenever itā€™s time to pull, but Iā€™ve already written to myself about the necessary disruption of harmony: this is the followthrough!

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INTENT AND WAY FORWARD

Iā€™ve got SO many thoughts swirling around in my head about training that I want to get them down here in one spot, but Iā€™m sure Iā€™ll inevitably forget some of them. My mind is always idling on this stuff and coming up with/rediscovering ideas.

MESS: Mass-Easy, Strength-Simple

  • Again: I like the cute acronym, even though itā€™s supposed to be EASY strength and SIMPLE Mass. But the more I think, listen, and read Dan John, the more I think this makes far more sense as an approach than it initially seemed. Dan says that the point of the upper body work in MMS is to build strength, and that the complexes and high rep squats are what build the size. If you look at the layout of the upper body work in MMS, itā€™s pretty much a STRUCTURED Easy Strength, which is WHY I never cared for it: I either need it ALL spelled out or ALL left to me. Easy Strength does exactly as advertised: it builds strength, and it keeps it easy. So it fits as far as ā€œwhat do I do OTHER than the complexes and squats in MMSā€. Meanwhile, regarding Easy Strength, Dan talks about how the point of ES is to ā€œtake careā€ of the strength portion of an athleteā€™s training so that they can DO that ā€œother stuffā€ and not try to figure out what to do for strength. Part of that other stuff INCLUDES ā€œbringing up weak areasā€, which WOULD include hypertrophy. Itā€™d be totally reasonable to do Easy Strength to build strength and then ā€œbodybuildingā€ to build size, so in that regard, MMS is a great fit onto Easy Strength. And Iā€™m taking a risk writing ALL of this after having done exactly ONE workout in this style, but I honestly feel like Iā€™ve discovered something special here. This is duality in action. Harmony. Balance.

  • As far as structure goes, my intention is to let MMS dictate the schedule as far as WHEN the MMS workouts happen and how recovery occurs. So Iā€™ll be getting in 14 MMS workouts over the next 6-ish weeks. Iā€™m in a period of time where travel, family visits, and life will be happening, which drew me to having a much more free-form flowing approach to training for the foreseeable future, which is why I have that all important ā€œishā€ in there. In turn, Iā€™m also not handcuffing myself to 40 workouts in 8 weeks on ES, nor the 5 days a week of hitting the weights. Some weeks might be 7s, some 3s.

  • Iā€™ve already logged a MMS day, and on that day my 5th lift was reverse hypers. Dan is big on using the swing as his hip hinge, and his background suits him there, but being totally honest with myself Iā€™m still absolute garbage with KBs, even after the 10k swing challenge and other time spent swinging, and the reverse hyper has been good to me for quite a while, so I wanna use it when I can. But on non-MMS days, I plan to make the 5th lift a loaded carry. Iā€™m NOT doing loaded carries on MMS days because the complexes will get me some conditioning and a metabolic hit, but on the non-MMS days I can achieve that with a loaded carry 5th lift. Plus, I really dig the ā€œprescribed chaosā€ of the loaded carries Dan has with the program. The goal is to not repeat the same loaded carry workout: roger that.

  • LOADED carry. Had to read and listen to Dan a few more times to realize this meant a carry UNDER load: not simply carrying stuff. It makes sense: you necessarily HAVE to have a load to carry in the first place, so you need a load on TOP of that for a ā€œloaded carryā€. The immediate solution will be for me to wear a vest during my carries, but on days when I can really cut loose Iā€™ll look into carrying while hooked up to a sled, playing around with the SSB, and other alternatives.

  • Still training at Oā€™dark stupid, so I donā€™t want to be clanging and banging too much outside when it comes to the carries. My basement is pretty spacious, so Iā€™m planning on throwing my adjustable KB handles down there so I can have some days where I do some carry workout there. When out and about in the neighborhood itā€™ll be more keg and possibly sandbag work. When Iā€™m feeling particularly froggy, Iā€™ll need to break out the sled and prowler. In truth, one of the newer x-factors is that, now that my sleep has improved, I had less training time than I did when I had greater insomnia. And Iā€™m embracing this new sleepy part of me, so thatā€™s not going to change, but it limits prowler and sled work due to travel time. Might be something that I take up on the weekends, but in that situation it would be OUTSIDE of an Easy Strength workout, because I donā€™t intend to lift on weekendsā€¦although given that an ES workout can last only 10-15 minutes if done right, maybe that option IS opened up now. Weā€™ll see.

  • And in THAT regard we still have the conversation of what is the ā€œeverything elseā€ that gets done on those non-MMS days. Getting that copy of Jack Dempseyā€™s ā€œChampionship Fightingā€ reminded me that I miss boxing. Tang Soo Do, unfortunately, isnā€™t scratching that itch. Itā€™s been a great family activity, but not a good aggression outlet. The biggest thing is, Iā€™ve always felt like there was a ā€œSophieā€™s choiceā€ when it came to hitting the BAS (Bas Ruttenā€™s ā€œBody Action Systemā€, basically a well designed standing heavy bag), because time spent doing that was time I could have spent doing some sort of weighted conditioning workout instead. Now that I have carries in the program, I feel like there can be days where Iā€™ll be down in the basement hitting the carries and then, from there, I can transition straight to some combat rounds on the BAS. Itā€™s still excellent conditioning, and itā€™ll be a good way to vary up my training. Plus, I need to ā€œregain that edgeā€ of being dangerous again. Iā€™m really feeling that warrior spirit returning as I continue to heal, and I DO attribute the change in diet to that as well. My body is CONSTANTLY eating the flesh of another previously living organism: it is re-learning that it IS, in fact, a predator and not a scavenger. I want to lean into that as much as I can.

  • And in regard to all of THAT, there also isnā€™t a Sophieā€™s choice here BECAUSE ES workouts are short enough that I CAN still do the BAS work AND some sort of weighted conditioning. I can do carries, go hit the BAS, and then go finish up with a shorter style WOD and just cover all of my bases. Think about what an excellent day of training that is: Strength work with ES, loaded carries, combatives training and conditioning with the BAS, and then some hard, heavy and short conditioning to finish it up. Thatā€™s absolutely building someone that is ā€œmore trouble than they are worthā€.

  • For non-MMS days AND Non-BAS days, those seem like excellent days to employ the ā€œEasy Strength for Fat Lossā€ approach of hit the Easy Strength work and then go out the door for a walk. I figure I can use the weighted vest and get in my 2+ miles on those days, and I also want to use my rower once I can figure out how to get the goddamn thing to set-up correctly. Iā€™ll need to grab the instruction manual for it online one day when Iā€™m not suffering from a fever in 100 degree heat and actually see what Iā€™m supposed to do. I feel like itā€™d be a great tool. But otherwise, I can also make these days ā€œlong WOD daysā€ for the sake of variety. Always an option to just do some flat out old school bodybuilding shoring up of weaknesses as well.

  • Iā€™m keeping nutrition the same, since it works: simply going to focus on eating MORE food at meals, or dense foods. As weā€™ve observed: I can put away food. Iā€™ve put the brakes on for so long: releasing the Kraken wonā€™t take much. Whatā€™s funny, though, is that I was SO big on small-frequent meals from all my 90s throwback stuff (shoutout to @TrainForPain with the BEST decade ofā€¦everything really), but Iā€™m finding that I am fairing MUCH better these days with infrequent MASSIVE meals. I really dig the term ā€œintermittent feastingā€ thatā€™s been popularized there, because Iā€™m not NOT eating because Iā€™m trying to fast: Iā€™m not eating because Iā€™m NOT HUNGRY. Thatā€™s been so mind-blowing from someone who has literally ALWAYS been hungry. That SHOULD have been a sign to me for 30 years to eat. My biggest issue was that I was hungry, and what I was eating WASNā€™T F- -KING FOOD. How wild. Once I started eating real, actual human food to a point where I wasnā€™t hungry, the hunger went away. Ok ok, Iā€™ve soapboxed that point enough. Let me reconcile this in another bullet.

  • In ā€œkeeping nutrition the sameā€, this INCLUDES still having a famine and feast protocol. Iā€™m CLEARLY in the feast right now. The x-factor is going to be that my ā€œfamineā€ will be happening in the last 2 weeks of the program, which would stand to reason are the HARDEST weeksā€¦so weā€™ll see what happens there. Chaos is the plan, so perhaps weā€™ll learn something, but the Famine continues to prove to be more valuable than the feast itself. Being primed to grow is crucial FOR growing.

  • I wrote about this previously, but to capture it all in one place: traditional fasting with a carnivore approach is popular BECAUSE many people take on carnivore to lose weight. Thatā€™s not what Iā€™m doing, and it would take a LOT of consistent bad decisions over a long period of time before I find myself in a state where I am ā€œfatā€, so itā€™s not going to be what Iā€™m doing ever. I listened to a Podcast with Dr. Kevin Stock that spoke to how a lean athlete should employ a carnivore style protein sparing modified fast vs traditional fasting, and similar to Jon Andersen with Deep Water, it was a moment where someone who has ā€œbeen there and done thatā€ re-affirmed what I knew and ā€œgave me permissionā€ to continue. Velocity Diet answers the mail perfectly there, alongside Apex Predator, alongside use of egg whites and lean proteins to achieve the goal. Iā€™m finding significant success with ā€œfastingā€ until the midday meal or beyond during my weekdays. When I finally eat, I eat big, and then resume the PSFM until the next mid-day meal. Weekends keep calories higher but ALSO carnivore stricter by reducing use of shakes. Itā€™s a solid balance.

  • I wrote in another post, but regarding that nutrition angle, definitely struck some gold with my most recent Rampage comprised of primarily BBQ with local fruits, veggies and homemade bread/dessert. With summer here, that can happen more and more often. Itā€™s good fuel, I feel good eating it, I enjoy making it, and the look on my kidā€™s face when I ate the entire dessert they made for me AFTER polishing off about 4lbs of BBQ brought me about as much joy as it brought them. BUT, all that said: if weā€™re out somewhere with an awesome menu of yummy food, Iā€™ll eat that. I really dig being able to use that meal for social leveraging.

  • Iā€™m still keeping Jamieā€™s daily work of 300 push ups and 300 squats alongside a 2 mile walk. With me not doing any heavy horizontal pressing for a while, itā€™ll be good to keep that up. That also speaks to what I should considering leaning into when it comes time for the ā€œanything elseā€ portion of this. WODs that include push-ups, burpees and dips will go far. However, Iā€™m also going to make a point to NOT ā€œneed toā€ get those reps in. Iā€™ve broken free of those shackles and have no intention of going back.

  • Once again: I am excited about my future, about training, eating, and living. Iā€™m still keeping my eyes open for competitions, because when they are fun: theyā€™re fun. But thatā€™s my rule: Iā€™m doing these things for fun. Iā€™m not going to do something thatā€™s not fun. Thereā€™s no time for that in my life. Itā€™s part of the reason Iā€™m walking so much these days: itā€™s what I want to do. I dig being out in the sun, away from technology, and just living.


Really appreciate those of you that read all the way through all of that. This journey is wild, but where itā€™s heading is amazing.

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I felt the exact same way after reading the Omni-book haha. It was a good call, my grip definitely improved and I think I mightā€™ve snuck a little forearm size in there too.

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So many things I could comment on. Thanks for your input re: neck training.

But the most important things first.

VĆ­kingr stuff that may be interesting:

  • Thereā€™s a podcast called Saga Thing where they talk about and review the various Icelandic/Norse/Viking epics
  • My copy is MIA right now, but I liked the Jackson Crawford translation of The Poetic Edda
  • The guy who made my ā€œdamascus steelā€ wedding ring plans to forge a sword with all of the leftover scrap metal from his ring-making business, in the vein of Gram, SigurĆ°r/Sigurth/Siegfriedā€™s sword

And thereā€™s this quote I came across the other day:

Actually, the bone is stronger after the injury than it was before. That is providing the bone has been set right at the time. Under X-ray examination, the bone will be found much thicker at the broken part than elsewhere. The knitting process of the bone when healing is much like a weld upon iron where the smith generally leaves it slightly thicker. A smith will tell you that the iron will always break elsewhere, providing he made a good weld. So it is with the bone.

It is a matter of interest to know that pugilists of the bare fist age were known to break their arms on purpose, so that shock from hard striking would be better absorbed.

The famous prize fighter, Tom Sayers, was only a light man, but his great hitting powers enabled him to knock out much bigger opponents than himself. Both his arms had been frequently broken - mostly in fights - and many boxing followers of the present time, who do not know of that former practice, and wonder how that little man could stand up and batter big men and stand it, as he did in his memorable battle with Hennan, caused by the breaks. They also used to pickle their hands in brine to toughen them and make them so hard that the hand was less inclined to be knocked out of joint or broken.

George Jowett - The Key to Might and Muscle

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Thereā€™s a podcast called Saga Thing where they talk about and review the various Icelandic/Norse/Viking epics

I finally ordered myself one of their Norwegian Companion redshirts because the joke there is just too good haha.

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Congrats!

I was wondering why you were doing these. 95 seemed especially light (for you). Iā€™m at a love-hate relationship with high-rep squats right now. At first I didnā€™t see the point of high-rep light weight squats, but Iā€™m following the plan and now seeing actual size changes. My current plan involves a lower-rep set of ā€œheavyā€ squats followed by a billion light ones from different angles.

(Monday, with that unnecessary goblet squat challenge, was 127 training reps of squats.)

Similarly, the unstrapped double-overhand axle deadlift also seemed light, given what you can deadlift. Whatā€™s the intended training goal with those? ā€“ besides that Dan John speaks highly of them and youā€™re validating that. Grip endurance?

Ditto. Iā€™ve never made them myself, probably because I eat two dozen every time Iā€™m around them.

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@LoRez Appreciate the viking hook-up and the congrats!

The reason for 95lbs on the squat is simple: thatā€™s what the program calls for. Iā€™m doing Dan Johnā€™s ā€œMass Made Simpleā€ program, and this was Day 1 of it.

Iā€™m surprised you think those axle DOH were light. You can see in the video Iā€™m struggling pretty good on them. I actually had to lower the weight on the final set because I failed a rep on the second, which is one of the few rules of SS (donā€™t fail a rep). Otherwise, I wrote about it here in the log

I specifically picked a very difficult deadlift variant so I could get out of my head with weights, although thinking about it I might even throw some chains into the mix next go round to really get my head out. It will also make loading simple.

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Oh, it just seemed relatively low compared to your max deadlift, and your high-rep axle deadlifts, strapped and unstrapped. Obviously DOH and deficit throw a wrench in things. (Especially DOH). To me, it seems that the main training effect would be grip/forearms for you, personally. But I wasnā€™t sure if I was missing something.

You may be missing that I lost 31lbs of bodyweight, haha. And that this is a deficit pull.

I have zero experience of more bodyweight ā†’ bigger lifts :slight_smile: Someday, somedayā€¦

Have you experienced the opposite before?