[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Strong legs=strength.
Most STRENGTH SPORTS (hey, you posted in Strength Sports forum) require leg strength.
AD[/quote]
what about wheelchair basketball? who needs legs anyway, right?
[quote]howie424 wrote:
quite honestly i could give less than a shit about my legs…my last high school football season just ended, and my atheletic career for probably the rest of my life is over. im pretty much just lifting because i like it, and i want to look good, upper-body wise. [/quote]
Brother, I was in your exact position about… cough 10 years ago. I only lifted upper body. Results were not nearly as optimal as they could have been. Do yourself a favor and keep training your lower body.
[quote]howie424 wrote:
Lapo wrote:
C. Poliquin wrote:
And remember, you have far more anabolic output from training legs than training arms. So, all these people who don’t like split routines are retarded. If I train arms on Monday then Tuesday I train legs, my leg workout will actually make my arms grow. The next session I do my chest and back, which will help my legs and my arms grow. The point is that the anabolic response you get is systemic.
Just a reminder.
are you saying that full body workouts dont work well?[/quote]
Didnt you just say you had just graduated from high school? What kind of education do you get in South Dakota? I ask because your reading comprehension is lacking severely. Read that again.
[quote]robo1 wrote:
Booo too much of a good thing. hooray moderation! Please enjoy upper body workouts responsibly[/quote]
That commercial is hilarious. Good call.
But people need to reread what he’s saying and stop gang tackling here. He wants to focus on upper body and do minimal leg training, I don’t really see too much of a problem. If you do squats hard how much more leg work does a person really need? If you think you need more maybe you need to re evaluate some things.
[quote]howie424 wrote:
Is it ok to keep leg training to a minimum and mostly just work out your upper body, or does working the entire body equally make the entire muscle building process better?[/quote]
Man,forget the damn legs!!!
Bench and curl!!!
bencH and curl!!!
Do ungodly amount of benching and curling!!!
Bench and curl while watching yourself in te mirror!!!
ALL YOU REALLY NEED IS BENCh AND CURL!!!
Besides losing out on the overall anabolic and metabolic improvements doing heavy legs provides, do you want to look goofy? There’s a kid in my gym who has a decent upper body, but hides his scrawny little bitch legs under a pair of sweats. Pure douche. Don’t be that kid.
im going to ask you to resign from the site
[quote]Carnak wrote:
howie424 wrote:
quite honestly i could give less than a shit about my legs…my last high school football season just ended, and my atheletic career for probably the rest of my life is over. im pretty much just lifting because i like it, and i want to look good, upper-body wise.
Brother, I was in your exact position about… cough 10 years ago. I only lifted upper body. Results were not nearly as optimal as they could have been. Do yourself a favor and keep training your lower body.[/quote]
Good post Carnak. The problem here is motivation, there’s no question that not doing legs often enough means sub par progress…
howie, I’m surprised you don’t plan to play any sports in the future. I don’t know what your options are over there for amateur sports. I personally play soccer, and it’s highly motivating for me to improve my squat and deadlifts as it almost always means I’ll be faster, stronger and more athletic.
[quote]GetTheHIT wrote:
im going to ask you to resign from the site[/quote]
all you need to know right there. Save you from having to waste your time coming here with the rest of the squatters. You don’t want our company anyway, do you? Think about it. Come on.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
robo1 wrote:
But people need to reread what he’s saying and stop gang tackling here. He wants to focus on upper body and do minimal leg training, I don’t really see too much of a problem. If you do squats hard how much more leg work does a person really need? If you think you need more maybe you need to re evaluate some things. [/quote]
THANK YOU. finally someone on this website who isn’t a jackass?
I don’t know Push that’s sort of a matter of interpretation, I just try to give guys the benefit of the doubt here, especially guys who rep NWO still haha. God they were so cool when I was 12 or whatever it was.
I’d say squats and stiff leg deads and some calves done on the leg press would be “minimal” compared to most people’s workouts but would yield effective results and allow someone to focus on other things. If he had said he wanted to do the Superhero workout nobody would have jumped on him, so again I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt here. For Life!
[quote]robo1 wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Strong legs=strength.
Most STRENGTH SPORTS (hey, you posted in Strength Sports forum) require leg strength.
AD
what about wheelchair basketball? who needs legs anyway, right?
[/quote]
Oh, there you go getting all ‘specialized’ and everything, huh?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
howie424 wrote:
Scott M wrote:
robo1 wrote:
But people need to reread what he’s saying and stop gang tackling here. He wants to focus on upper body and do minimal leg training, I don’t really see too much of a problem. If you
[u][center]do squats hard[/u] [/center]
how much more leg work does a person really need? If you think you need more maybe you need to re evaluate some things.
THANK YOU. finally someone on this website who isn’t a jackass?
Scott and Howie,
If a guy is “squatting hard” he’s hardly doing a “minimal leg workout”, is he?
Minimal leg workout = minimal overall progress. It’s a simple concept.
People often think that Poliquin is out in left field on some things but one thing among many that he absolutely nails right on the head is what he wrote about leg training in December’s Question of Strength. There is no way to dance around that principle.[/quote]
Good Post, Push.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
I don’t know Push that’s sort of a matter of interpretation, I just try to give guys the benefit of the doubt here, especially guys who rep NWO still haha. God they were so cool when I was 12 or whatever it was.
I’d say squats and stiff leg deads and some calves done on the leg press would be “minimal” compared to most people’s workouts but would yield effective results and allow someone to focus on other things. If he had said he wanted to do the Superhero workout nobody would have jumped on him, so again I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt here. For Life![/quote]
This is what i mean. Just doing some hard squats and RDL and some calves and calling it good. I’m hitting most of my leg while still allowing me to focus on other parts of my body. Although I’m doing them HARD, it is still minimal in the fact that im only doing 3 or so workouts. Glad someone understands what I said.
nWo for life!
I should have been more specific right off the bat, but are you guys starting to get what I am saying?
[quote]howie424 wrote:
This is what i mean. Just doing some hard squats and RDL and some calves and calling it good. I’m hitting most of my leg while still allowing me to focus on other parts of my body. Although I’m doing them HARD, it is still minimal in the fact that im only doing 3 or so workouts. Glad someone understands what I said.
nWo for life![/quote]
Sounds good. Usually when people say minimial legs they mean “I’ll do 3 sets of 10 lbs on the leg adductor”.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Is it time to digress and discuss exactly what “hard squats” are?[/quote]
Well for me it usually involves some pain, a lot of sweat, a little gag reflex, sometimes a little farting, and usually ends with me asking myself why I do this. If I was suggesting to someone a way to train legs with 1 movement each part to get the most bang for the buck it would look like
Leg Press Calves up to the heaviest 2 sets of 10-15 reps pausing briefly in the stretch and contracted position
Squats(or leg press hacks fronts)
after warmups up to your absolute heaviest 6-10RM
take a couple minutes break and then a lighter but still very heavy 15-20 rep set.
Stiff Leg Deads(after if squats, before if leg press or hacks) working up to the heaviest 6-10 reps with good form.
Always going up in weights while still in the rep ranges.
Now if Howie wants to come in and relax and do an easy 3x10 of leg presses and leg curls that’s a different story.
Now we are starting to get on the same page…i guess i should have been a bit more specific with my definition of “minimal legs”