[quote]DownAndOut wrote:
Sure you werent thinking about the recent article about schools banning juice because of chubby kids???
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet.fitness/02/07/chubby.preschoolers.ap/index.html
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no that wasn’t it, im just going to e-mail my prof and ask him for the source again
[quote]rainjack wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
first of all
what the hell are you doing up this early rainjack???!!!
I’m an accountant and I’m in the middle of tax season, baby. I wasn’t up that early, I was up that late. Just me, my tax books and big 'ol jug of milk.
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be honest, how rough is it during tax season, im trying to decide between the 5 year MBA in accounting program or a finance and management double major, i’ve thought about being an accountant, but in all honesty, how busy are you on and off season?
[quote]cycomiko wrote:
Im glad there is so many intellegent people around
not
Milk contains ~40-45mg/100g sodium, to achieve the level within the RDA, one would have to drink ~22cups to achieve the RDA level of sodium within the diet ~5.5litres, over a gallon. but within this 22cups of milk, there would be 5.1grams of potassium, above the RDA.
milk is not a great source of sodium
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Whoops, your right about the sodium. I checked right after I posted. I honestly think I remember reading that it was high in sodium in Ironman about 12 years ago. Milk is hypertonic though. No big deal. I think its not a bad food but it depends on your individual lactose tolerance. Also, Its not a great source of protein from a percentage of calories point of view. 2% has 8 grams per 120 cals, so for every 3000 cals your getting 200 grams. Not a bad breakdown for whole meal distribution, but its not a protein suppliment by any stretch.
Also, I remember reading about a challenge several years ago where if you could drink a gallon of WHOLE milk in an hour you would instantly win $100. Nobody could do it. Not sure if it was the lactose, butterfat or hypertoicity. Probably some combination.
Also, I remember reading about a challenge several years ago where if you could drink a gallon of WHOLE milk in an hour you would instantly win $100. Nobody could do it. Not sure if it was the lactose, butterfat or hypertoicity. Probably some combination.[/quote]
Ahhhh, the ultimate college challenge. How many I’ve already seen, and how many more I will be able to witness. Nothing like seeing somebody puke pure milk.
I’ve drank a gallon of milk a day 4-5 days a week for 3-4 weeks when bulking. A few other guys I know have done this too and seem to blow up off of it. However, I think the sodium thing probably makes it a bad idea.
i started drinking soymilk, what do yall guys think about that? is it better than reg milk?
[quote]Wideguy wrote:
I’ve drank a gallon of milk a day 4-5 days a week for 3-4 weeks when bulking. A few other guys I know have done this too and seem to blow up off of it. However, I think the sodium thing probably makes it a bad idea.[/quote]
Man, we just showed that the sodium isn’t high. About 5% of the conservative RDA of 1100 mg (50 mg per cup) and actually I think the RDA is 1100-3300!
I think: 1) Lactose triggers water retention and possibly cortisol but very individually dependent and 2) Unusable Calcium competes with Zinc absorbtion which can supress test.
[quote]stefan wrote:
i started drinking soymilk, what do yall guys think about that? is it better than reg milk?[/quote]
Soy contains estrogen.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Wideguy wrote:
I’ve drank a gallon of milk a day 4-5 days a week for 3-4 weeks when bulking. A few other guys I know have done this too and seem to blow up off of it. However, I think the sodium thing probably makes it a bad idea.
Man, we just showed that the sodium isn’t high. About 5% of the conservative RDA of 1100 mg (50 mg per cup) and actually I think the RDA is 1100-3300!
I think: 1) Lactose triggers water retention and possibly cortisol but very individually dependent and 2) Unusable Calcium competes with Zinc absorbtion which can supress test. [/quote]
All that means is you take any zinc supplements at a different time than when you are drinking milk. I seriously doubt I would have ever broke 200lbs had I not focused on my milk intake…and I’m lactose intolerant. I spent years getting down at least 1/2 a gallon a day of lactose free milk or adding Lactaid to regular milk. I still get down close to half a gallon and wouldn’t even think about cutting it out unless I ever planned on competing…which I don’t.
Also, soy does not contain estrogen. That is like saying testosterone causes gyno. This is how rumors get started with false or incomplete information.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
stefan wrote:
i started drinking soymilk, what do yall guys think about that? is it better than reg milk?
Soy contains estrogen.[/quote]
whats estrogen ? is it bad?
well, soymilk is all natrual and it contains lots of vitamins , its high in B12 and there is no lactose in it, i eat 3 meals and day and drink 3 soy shakes in between those 3 meals
Hey Professor, how do you feel about low carb hood milk (atkins makes it). I can easily drink 1/2 to a gallon of that stuff a day and the chocolate tastes great + it’s low in sugar/carbs.
[quote]stefan wrote:
well, soymilk is all natrual and it contains lots of vitamins , its high in B12 and there is no lactose in it, i eat 3 meals and day and drink 3 soy shakes in between those 3 meals[/quote]
Um… You’re new, ain’t ya.
Hit search and type “soy”. Be prepared to have your eyes opened.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
I think: 1) Lactose triggers water retention and possibly cortisol but very individually dependent and 2) Unusable Calcium competes with Zinc absorbtion which can supress test.
All that means is you take any zinc supplements at a different time than when you are drinking milk. I seriously doubt I would have ever broke 200lbs had I not focused on my milk intake…and I’m lactose intolerant. I spent years getting down at least 1/2 a gallon a day of lactose free milk or adding Lactaid to regular milk. I still get down close to half a gallon and wouldn’t even think about cutting it out unless I ever planned on competing…which I don’t.
Also, soy does not contain estrogen. That is like saying testosterone causes gyno. This is how rumors get started with false or incomplete information.[/quote]
from
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
Introduction: Confused About Soy?
High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.
Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.
Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.
END.
Professor X:
Soy protein contains phytoestrogens, ie plant estrogens. Saying soy contains estrogen would be more analogous to saying that Androstene increases testosterone levels, right? If not, please educate me. They are precursers for the human hormones right?
As for taking zinc separately from Calcium, I don’t believe this is the case. There are loads of Zinc suppliments out there that specifically combine Calcium, Zinc and Magnesium in specific ratios. Its a question of the circulating blood levels of those minerals that causes them to negatively interact with each other.
And just for clarity, I said before that milk was a relatively good food. I have drunk about 1/2 gallon a day for my whole life, and if your skinny, its great. If not, its just not high enough in protein to make it a great PROTEIN choice.
Cottage cheese has a a 3:1 protein to carb ratio while Milk is less than 1:1.
SHIT! I want to get this sodium thing right. A cup of milk has 125 mg of sodium. It says 5% of the USRDA, BUT thats a midline estimate for the USRDA of 1100-3300 mgs, so you would hit the 1100 level with 9 cups of milk which would only provide a measly 72 grams of protein.
Cottage cheese by the way has over twice the sodium per protein gram.
You don’t really need to worry about sodium if you’re , young, healthy and working out hard regularly.
Yeah like I said a whole gallon (especially when your juiced up) is alot of sodium a day.
I have always maintained that milk is for babies. Other than humans, I don’t know of any undomesticated mammal that uses milk for food after its infancy. I was raised on a combination of soy milk, brown rice milk, and almond milk. In all the spills, car accidents, and riotous romping I have endured or engaged in throughout my life I have never broken or fractured a bone. There are alot of hormones, drugs, and other non-natural additives in milk that also would caution the informed consumer. Be well!
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Professor X:
Soy protein contains phytoestrogens, ie plant estrogens. Saying soy contains estrogen would be more analogous to saying that Androstene increases testosterone levels, right? If not, please educate me. They are precursers for the human hormones right?
As for taking zinc separately from Calcium, I don’t believe this is the case. There are loads of Zinc suppliments out there that specifically combine Calcium, Zinc and Magnesium in specific ratios. Its a question of the circulating blood levels of those minerals that causes them to negatively interact with each other.[/quote]
There have been no studies to my knowledge that dictate phytoestrogens as responding in the human body like HUMAN ESTROGEN. I avoid soy because of the POSSIBILITY of phytoestrogen binding to estrogen receptors, not because it has been proven to do so and cause the same effects. Also, calcium decreases absoprtion, but does not STOP absorption of zinc. I believe the amount hovers around 10% reduction in absorption. In my opinion, there are other things to worry about. Milk does do a body good and most big guys will tell you that. all of the hype about humans not being able to drink milk is ridiculous. It has its benefits and if you live your life according to each scare tactic relayed through a scientific study that shows some substance MIGHT negatively impact the body, expect to be eating nothing but tofu and water soon.