Milk - It Does a Body Bad?

[quote]DownAndOut wrote:
You said WATER is toxic, and now you keep talking about dhmo. Huh?

Ive never seen a study that shows that H2O is toxic. Please post one.
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Sigh. Not only do I provide the straight man, but I even indirectly provide the punch-line.

[quote]DownAndOut wrote:
You said WATER is toxic, and now you keep talking about dhmo. Huh?

Ive never seen a study that shows that H2O is toxic. Please post one.

You could claim that with DHMO in it, water is toxic, but thats not the same as water. Thats kinda like saying apple juice with cyanide in it is toxic, therefore apple juice is toxic. Hmmm.

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Chemistry must not be your strong point.

[quote]DownAndOut wrote:
My cat just took a dump and then discovered left over poo on his anus. He didnt think twice about taking it all down :slight_smile:

and what about your anus ? :open_mouth:

cokeandtaco wrote:
um,i just poured some cow’s milk for the cat. he didn’t think twice about taking it all down.
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Leave my anus alone :slight_smile:

[quote]DownAndOut wrote:
That was my executive summary of numerous studies I have read but did not feel like spending the next half hour looking up again and quoting :slight_smile:

All the studies I posted so far showed that milk is bad for you, but I just wanted to clarify that this was for adults and did not necessarily apply to children. So its not all bad in all cases.

cap’nsalty wrote:
DownAndOut wrote:
Caveat: milk seems to be great for kids who are growing, but seems like its not meant to be consumed by adults.

Umm…are you telling us facts, or just guessing? Just spouting rumors or what you might have heard is not all that useful.

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Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.

However, you are right on some part. As we grow older, humans make less and less of the enzyme that is able to handle lactase, thus there are more lactose intolerant people as age increases. Zeb, have you alwayas had sinus problems when you drank milk? I’m willing to bet that its something you discovered in the later parts of your devlopment, but try and think back and remember if you had sinus problems when you were a child. I’d be willing to bet you didn’t.

Again, there are those who are born w/o or small amounts of the enzyme (lactose intolerants), and some select groups (African Americans come to mind) tend to produce a lower amount of the enzyme.

My own personal opinion? The milk you buy in grocery stores is shit, way too much sugar. Either drink natural milk (from the cow, yuck) or invest the extra dollar to drink Hood’s Low Carb Dairy Beverage (very similar to milk).

The above information is what I am remember off of the top of my head in my Biology of Foods class, I didn’t bother referencing back to the book, so i get a detail wrong, blow me.

Man, I tried to tell myself I was done with this conversation after my last post but I couldn’t resist after seeing this:

“Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.”

Come on, you’ve (not you hoosier, but the people who conducted the study) got to be kidding me right? Do they not think it has anything to do with all of the soft drink and “snack” garbage vending machines that weren’t as widely seen in schools 20-30 years ago? Not to mention that now a lot of schools cut deals with local franchises to “offer more exciting options to their students” (read: drive profits through the roof). At my high school alone we had Lil Ceasers pizza and a “snack line”, completely separate from the regular lunch line, fully stocked with bags of potato chips, bagels, Little Debbie-type snacks, cookies, Fruit Roll-ups, sugary drinks and “fruit juices” (my ass), etc. Guess where a lot of kids got their “lunch”, without ever even going through the “real” lunch line (not that that government funded garbage is much better, but at least there’s SOME semblence of a balanced meal sometimes).

Who conducted this study anyway, the Grocery Manufacturers of America, the same company who’s top-dog lobbyist admitted to Morgan Spurlock (“Super Size Me”) that they’re “part of the problem”? These “studies” are hilarious sometimes…

BTW, if you haven’t seen that movie, go rent it…now :slight_smile: I know a lot of the movie can be seen as propaganda and I don’t buy into it that easily, but it WILL make you think about a lot of things.

P.S. hoosier, not trying to make you feel bad man, I know you were trying to make an honest, valid point. My rant is directed towards the companies who try to insult our intelligence and feed us this crap. Nor am I making an argument (to anyone else) that milk is some kind of perfect (or even good for everybody) food. But when someone tries to tell me milk is the reason kids are obese these days…

[quote]DownAndOut wrote:
You said WATER is toxic, and now you keep talking about dhmo. Huh?

Ive never seen a study that shows that H2O is toxic. Please post one.

You could claim that with DHMO in it, water is toxic, but thats not the same as water. Thats kinda like saying apple juice with cyanide in it is toxic, therefore apple juice is toxic. Hmmm.

michaelv wrote:
DownAndOut wrote:
Water is not toxic. Tainted water maybe :slight_smile:
michaelv wrote:
You know water is very toxic, right?

You didn’t even read the FAQ on Dihydrogen Monoxide, did you?
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I can’t even pull DHMO on 9th graders anymore. At least some people have lived in a cave for 20 years. I guess living in a cave is bad because it means that your water is toxic?

Compared to other highschool lunch choices, milk is probably the healthiest thing available-with an apple, some green beans and lunch lady arm hair.

[quote]CC wrote:
Man, I tried to tell myself I was done with this conversation after my last post but I couldn’t resist after seeing this:

“Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.”

Come on, you’ve (not you hoosier, but the people who conducted the study) got to be kidding me right? Do they not think it has anything to do with all of the soft drink and “snack” garbage vending machines that weren’t as widely seen in schools 20-30 years ago? Not to mention that now a lot of schools cut deals with local franchises to “offer more exciting options to their students” (read: drive profits through the roof). At my high school alone we had Lil Ceasers pizza and a “snack line”, completely separate from the regular lunch line, fully stocked with bags of potato chips, bagels, Little Debbie-type snacks, cookies, Fruit Roll-ups, sugary drinks and “fruit juices” (my ass), etc. Guess where a lot of kids got their “lunch”, without ever even going through the “real” lunch line (not that that government funded garbage is much better, but at least there’s SOME semblence of a balanced meal sometimes).

Who conducted this study anyway, the Grocery Manufacturers of America, the same company who’s top-dog lobbyist admitted to Morgan Spurlock (“Super Size Me”) that they’re “part of the problem”? These “studies” are hilarious sometimes…

BTW, if you haven’t seen that movie, go rent it…now :slight_smile: I know a lot of the movie can be seen as propaganda and I don’t buy into it that easily, but it WILL make you think about a lot of things.

P.S. hoosier, not trying to make you feel bad man, I know you were trying to make an honest, valid point. My rant is directed towards the companies who try to insult our intelligence and feed us this crap. Nor am I making an argument (to anyone else) that milk is some kind of perfect (or even good for everybody) food. But when someone tries to tell me milk is the reason kids are obese these days…[/quote]

Hey man, no insult taken, nobody here knows everything about everything.

Actually I’m going to go searching for the study now because I do remember it being from a very credible source. Also, the study was conducted not on adolecents as I had orginially stated, but on elementary aged students, where soda is usually not sold in schools and creating a franchise in elementary scools in most states is either against the law or policy (this falls true atleast in Virginia and MD, and from what I hear Indiana as well). Yes the food they serve is crap, but you’d be suprised just how much milk can add up.

But think about it. Kid eats shit cereal with 2% milk. Kid drinks maybe 2 servings of milk at lunch with crappy meal. Comes home and has a little snack right after school (lets say, oh i don’t know, cookies and milk). Another two servings during dinner. (P.S. you could also substitue milk with other sugary drinks such as juice).

Avge amount of sugar in one cup of milk 12 grams. 6-7 servings of milk in one day, roughly 72-84 grams of sugar.

This isn’t that unrealistic. Hell, this was my routine when I was in elemantary school. Most of my friends at that age drank as much if not more milk then me as well.

But going back to your point you are right, often times its as if studies and researchers are trying to point a finger at anyone BUT the parents, or the school lunches, when it is quite obvious that to curb the epedemic there needs to be more direct responsibility from the parents and the school board.

But you have to realize, assuming that the rest of a child’s nutrion is completely void of sugar (fat chance), getting 60-84 grams of sugar a day is alot for a human barely weighing in at a whopping 90 pounds.

i’ve read several times that heart disease is directly related to the homogenization of milk. simply because homogenization allows fat and any of the toxins that the fat is carrying -lead, pesticides, anti biotics , hormones whatever- to enter directly into the bloodstream and thus directly into the organs effectively bypassing the protective function of the stomach and intestines. never mind the toxins just fat and cholesterol alone going directly into the blood…bad news…

it’s also pretty gross to read about how milk is made…how it’s not refridgerated when its shipped to be pasteurized and how much bacteria is allowed to grow…how many other substances like feces are “allowable” because it will be pasteurized.

the part that wigs me out the most is that all thos “allowable bacteria” like 400,000,000 per quart are still there . they may be dead but they are still there.

allergies come into the picture through pasteurization. all of those cells which are first allowed to grow are then killed by heating and cooling 200 degrees in a few seconds. this proccess ruptures the bacteria cell and releases histamines…

but it’s so good isn’t it ? especially chocolate.

i’ve also read that protein’s in goat’s milk are easier to digest than cow’s milk.
and i’ve had a special fondness for goats milk ever since i saw that fear factor episode when they milked goats with their mouths… still getting alot of late night mileage from that one .

Im glad there is so many intellegent people around

not

Milk contains ~40-45mg/100g sodium, to achieve the level within the RDA, one would have to drink ~22cups to achieve the RDA level of sodium within the diet ~5.5litres, over a gallon. but within this 22cups of milk, there would be 5.1grams of potassium, above the RDA.

milk is not a great source of sodium

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Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.[/quote]Referenece please?

[quote]hoosierdaddy wrote:
Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.[/quote]

It’s not the milk that’s making the kids fat. It’s the goddamn twinkies they’re washing down with the milk that makes them fat.

I swear hoosier, if I didn’t know any better, I’d say you were trolling with that little gem.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.

It’s not the milk that’s making the kids fat. It’s the goddamn twinkies they’re wasahing down with the milk that makes them fat.

I swear hoosier, if I didn’t know any better, I’d say you were trolling with that little gem.

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first of all

what the hell are you doing up this early rainjack???!!!

2ndly, no im not, read my second post, yes children’s diets are shitty and whatnot, i dont doubt that, but from my own personal experience and from alot of friends, my parents stuffed milk down my throat, i had packed lunches every day, so i didnt eat that shit in school, and i had a pretty solid diet as a kid, yet i was chubby as hell until i cut milk out of my diet, i calculated it out, i was consuming damn near 100 grams of sugar myself a day just off of milk

that being said, yeah kids are eating shit and more shit these days, i don’t doubt that, and i’d rather them drink milk over juice and soda, but there really should be a limit to the consumption, esp choclate milk

[quote]cycomiko wrote:
Im glad there is so many intellegent people around

not

Milk contains ~40-45mg/100g sodium, to achieve the level within the RDA, one would have to drink ~22cups to achieve the RDA level of sodium within the diet ~5.5litres, over a gallon. but within this 22cups of milk, there would be 5.1grams of potassium, above the RDA.

milk is not a great source of sodium

Actually a recent study indicates that alot of childhood obesity is a drink result of the excess of milk they serve at schools. Mind you this is at the adolescent age, not breast milk.Referenece please?[/quote]

im leafing thru my Biology of Foods text right now, its over 600 pages so dont be suprised if i can’t find the margin where I wrote down the website to the article

Do you sometimes get the feeling these treads pop up all the time as people can?t be bothered to invest the time in finding other sources of quality protein?

Look at people who know a lot about physical performance and nutrition (and who are not crackpots) what do they do?

Ahhhh unh?

They mostly drink milk and eat dairy.

How much?

Ummmm, not a lot!

A diet dominated by one food source in generally not considered ‘optimum’, even healthy though the convenience can mean that you get the calories you need to make the changes you desire. Make a choice.

Sure you werent thinking about the recent article about schools banning juice because of chubby kids???

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet.fitness/02/07/chubby.preschoolers.ap/index.html

[quote]hoosierdaddy wrote:
first of all

what the hell are you doing up this early rainjack???!!!
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I’m an accountant and I’m in the middle of tax season, baby. I wasn’t up that early, I was up that late. Just me, my tax books and big 'ol jug of milk.

That article on juice was at times funny, interesting, and downright sad.

While, I think the fact that juice is an easily consumed, calorie dense source, which is very sugary, and lacks the satisfaction associated with more fiber dense(or fat and protein dense) foods, is an important point, the article left much to be desired. Something that really jumped out at me was how the juice caused little problems for underweight/normal weight kids but ballooned up those already on the fat side. I’m inclined to think this suggests that those already predispostioned towards fatness suffered other dietary and activity pitfalls which juice obviously exacerbated. I would not say its cause for an across the board juice ban though, especially when the options that many parents would choose are probably not going to be water(my personal preference). I would rather see juice moderation, a strict restriction to all natural juices, increased activity, and cleaner diets otherwise.

I agree with you. If your kid is already consuming too many calories, adding anything, not just juice, on top of that will cause weight gain.

They need to cut a bunch of calories to make room for juice instead. Hopefully, they cut a ton of the sugar they are eating. Heh, they wonder why all the kids seem to have A.D.D. these days. I couldn’t focus on anything while eating pounds of sugar each day either :slight_smile:

[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
That article on juice was at times funny, interesting, and downright sad.

While, I think the fact that juice is an easily consumed, calorie dense source, which is very sugary, and lacks the satisfaction associated with more fiber dense(or fat and protein dense) foods, is an important point, the article left much to be desired. Something that really jumped out at me was how the juice caused little problems for underweight/normal weight kids but ballooned up those already on the fat side. I’m inclined to think this suggests that those already predispostioned towards fatness suffered other dietary and activity pitfalls which juice obviously exacerbated. I would not say its cause for an across the board juice ban though, especially when the options that many parents would choose are probably not going to be water(my personal preference). I would rather see juice moderation, a strict restriction to all natural juices, increased activity, and cleaner diets otherwise.[/quote]