Michael Vick, What An Idiot....

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[quote]lostinthought wrote:
Easy E wrote:
By the way ESPN just announced that it was not an illegal substance in the bottle.

Did everyone miss this part or are they too busy arguing…Also, does this change anyone’s opinion on Vick?[/quote]

Nah, saw it. He probably threw something in there and drank it to get rid of it or something. Just because he didn’t get caught with weed doesn’t really mean anything. The scent pretty much declares that he or someone around him was smoking.

That being said, I don’t really give a shit whether he got caught or not, or whether he smokes bud or not. Good for him for them having nothing on him, though.

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[quote]derek wrote:
alownage wrote:

It seems like you may have a problem recognizing that drugs aren’t inherently evil and don’t turn everyone involved with them into a scumbag.

No, I don’t have that problem at all. I do see however more and more recreational users get more and more involved in activities that put them at great physical risk.

A friend of mine had given his a ride home to a friend of his. They hung out only to smoke or otherwise imbibe. Minutes after my friend had driven away, the other man was beaten to death by 4 men to whom he owed money to.

I was so close to this scenario without actually ever having “used” that I was questioned by homicide investigators. This is my real point, even though drugs can be harmless and fun, quite often it get out-of-hand.

And let’s not even bring up the fact that we are all here trying to get and stay healthy and strong. In my opinion, drugs and great health don’t mix. [/quote]

Again, you miss the point due to traumatic personal experience. The fact that the kid owed him money shows irresponsibility and stupidity on his part for getting involved with those types of people.

Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?

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[quote]derek wrote:
That’s asking far too much from at least a few guys posting here.

I know you weren’t exactly sticking up for me directly but I’m happy to see someone else with more experience than me backing me up.
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Don’t worry man, Nancy Reagan’s got your back too.

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[quote]kroby wrote:
Being high isn’t cool. It’s not impressive. It’s not a lifestyle. [/quote]

I agree with this part. Getting stoned to feel cool or impress people is lame. Getting stoned because you like it is just fine. On the other hand, getting stoned all the time because you feel like you “need” to is also lame. There’s nothing cool about being mentally or physically addicted to drugs.

However, getting stoned because you believe Haile Selassie is the second coming of Jesus is just fucking crazy.

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[quote]lostinthought wrote:
Easy E wrote:
By the way ESPN just announced that it was not an illegal substance in the bottle.

Did everyone miss this part or are they too busy arguing…Also, does this change anyone’s opinion on Vick?[/quote]

Are you too busy to look back a couple of posts?

“I’m making an effort to say that I jumped on the badwagon with a running head start and a rocket strapped to my ass…”

"Absolutely! Consider it retracted. And why would I care to throw one last dig in on ANYONE, let alone Vick.

It turns out I was wrong about Vick and I say great for him and bad on me for listening to seven different news outlets saying he was caught with weed. "

Please read first, then post.

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[quote]derek wrote:
slimjim wrote:

And he’s still a multi-million dollar quarterback capable of playing in one of the most physically competitive leagues out there…not quite the highland games, but I’m sure he can sleep okay at night despite not shooting 98/100 on his sheriff’s exam.

Do you always respond to things with no understanding of the context in which it was written?

Since you missed it, I listed some “highlights”, some creative, some physical to dispell the notion that was put out there that drugs, especially marijuana opened up you mind to a whole new, exciting world of creativity etc. I was responding that man is capable of many things without weed, which according to the original post, wasn’t possible.

You may need to read back a few posts before your next response or run the risk of looking like a dumbass again.[/quote]

That wasn’t so much as a response as a dig at you buddy. With the idiocy you’ve put on display in this thread, I have no problem with you thinking I’m a dumbass…in fact I’d find it an insult if YOU agreed with me because I think you’re an up tight jackass with way to many misperceptions of the world.

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[quote]alownage wrote:
Again, you miss the point due to traumatic personal experience. The fact that the kid owed him money shows irresponsibility and stupidity on his part for getting involved with those types of people.

Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?[/quote]

Again, you missed the point. See what weed can do to your comprehension skills?

This is what I see happen to normal, productive, responsible people on a weekly basis.

How does the fact that I’m up to my ass in drug-related problems mean that my wiews are jaded?

The fact that I’ve watched someone lose thier home, been questioned by homicide detectives, had my baby’s Christening money stolen etc., etc., etc. in fact proves my point.

No, not everyone that does drugs finds themselves in these scenarios but most of the ones I know sure do. Not only that but they drag all of us down with them.

If it makes you happy, though…

Drugs are great!

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[quote]alownage wrote:
Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?[/quote]

Ok, the illegality of drugs got him killed. What’s the surest way of avoiding the pitfalls of illegal drugs such as incarceration and/or death?

You choose;

  1. Should’ve spent his time advocating for the legalization of his drug of choice. And only then used that drug?

  2. Carried a 9mm to fend off those that killed him?

  3. Avoided using drugs altogether.

If you need to think about that, you may need to quit smoking so much “bud”.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
…in fact I’d find it an insult if YOU agreed with me because I think you’re an up tight jackass with way to many misperceptions of the world.[/quote]

Give me some examples…

I’ll start;

  1. I believe using illegal (and some legal) drugs is bad for your health, your saftey and your family.

  2. I believe anyone that feels they “NEED” drugs to experience true happiness is a fucking idiot (you may be one of those idiots)

  3. Other than that, I’m quite the Libertarian.

You seem to know me so well, how am I uptight again?

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[quote]derek wrote:
alownage wrote:
Again, you miss the point due to traumatic personal experience. The fact that the kid owed him money shows irresponsibility and stupidity on his part for getting involved with those types of people.

Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?

Again, you missed the point. See what weed can do to your comprehension skills?

This is what I see to normal, productive, responsible people on a weekly basis.

How does the fact that I’m up to my ass in drug-related problems mean that my wiews are jaded?

The fact that I’ve watched someone lose thier home, been questioned by homicide detectives, had my baby’s Christening money stolen etc., etc., etc. in fact proves my point.

No, not everyone that does drugs finds themselves in these scenarios but most of the ones I know sure do. Not only that but they drag all of us down with them.

If it makes you happy, though…

Drugs are great!
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Let me spell it out for you: You’re using ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE to apply a general rule to everyone who is involved with drugs. Instead of electing to play the “cherry-pick an example” game with you, I’ve used some basic if/then proposals to prove my point. You’ve responded with the same drivel and then piled some petty insults on top of it.

I’ve met some 6th graders with better debate skills than you. How’s that for an anecdote?

In conclusion, your muscular development is quite good, but your mental development is obviously lacking.

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[quote]derek wrote:
What’s the surest way of avoiding the pitfalls of illegal drugs such as incarceration and/or death?
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Quit electing “gut-thinkers” such as yourself? Yeah, sounds like a good plan to me.

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[quote]alownage wrote:

Let me spell it out for you: You’re using ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE to apply a general rule to everyone who is involved with drugs. Instead of electing to play the “cherry-pick an example” game with you, I’ve used some basic if/then proposals to prove my point. You’ve responded with the same drivel and then piled some petty insults on top of it.

I’ve met some 6th graders with better debate skills than you. How’s that for an anecdote?

In conclusion, your muscular development is quite good, but your mental development is obviously lacking.[/quote]

Until now I had no idea how shallow your depth of though really is.

I’ll ask a rhetorical question;

If almost every time you toughed a wood stove you got burned, do you think you might find youself warning others to not tough said stove?

And where exactly did I write that EVERYONE had the same bad drug experiences as me?

I can copy and paste where I said the opposite if you like…

“No, not everyone that does drugs finds themselves in these scenarios but most of the ones I know sure do. Not only that but they drag all of us down with them.”

There’s one!

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[quote]alownage wrote:
derek wrote:
What’s the surest way of avoiding the pitfalls of illegal drugs such as incarceration and/or death?

Quit electing “gut-thinkers” such as yourself? Yeah, sounds like a good plan to me.
[/quote]

And you think MY debate skills are lacking?

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[quote]lostinthought wrote:
Easy E wrote:
By the way ESPN just announced that it was not an illegal substance in the bottle.

Did everyone miss this part or are they too busy arguing…Also, does this change anyone’s opinion on Vick?[/quote]

No, he’s still an idiot. Assuming that it really wasn’t pot (still questionable, imo because it just sounds fishy), then he’s an idiot for walking around with a water bottle that has a secret compartment and is designed pretty much for concealing contraband. If it was pot residue, then we’re back to the original premise that he’s an idiot for jeopardizing his future over something this trivial.

DB

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[quote]alownage wrote:
Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?[/quote]

“if” it weren’t illegal?

But it is illegal and he’s dead because of it.

What don’t you understand about the “illegal” part?

Wishful thinking on your part but it doesn’t adress the problem “NOW” does it?

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[quote]derek wrote:
alownage wrote:
Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?

“if” it weren’t illegal?

But it is illegal and he’s dead because of it.

What don’t you understand about the “illegal” part?

Wishful thinking on your part but it doesn’t adress the problem “NOW” does it?[/quote]

The bottom line is for these guys to not hang with shady people and never get in a position where they owe someone money. Most of my life I’ve bought pot from friends or close friends of friends. Never had any problems.

Sorry you had bad experiences with drugs. Quit blaming it on every pot smoker out there, and most of all, quit blaming it on the drug itself.

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[quote]derek wrote:
If almost every time you touched a wood stove you got burned, do you think you might find youself warning others to not touch said stove?
[/quote]

Strange, every time I’ve touched that stove the only thing that’s happened is me laughing a lot, playing computer games, and eating a lot of food…

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[quote]derek wrote:
alownage wrote:
Furthermore, the only reason this guy was beaten to death was because the drug is illegal, and is peddled by the black market, some of which are murderous thugs. If it weren’t illegal, he could break a bud off of his homegrown plant and go play video games or some shit. Understand?

“if” it weren’t illegal?

But it is illegal and he’s dead because of it.

What don’t you understand about the “illegal” part?

Wishful thinking on your part but it doesn’t adress the problem “NOW” does it?[/quote]

Look, your experiences are very sad and I’m sympathetic towards them, but they hardly make a good case for avoiding drugs. Avoiding shady people? Avoid getting in debt to said shady people? Hell yes, you couldn’t give a better example.

Thugs will be thugs, whether they’re selling bootleg merchandise (Triad gangs), fixing sports and invading the corporate world (Yakuza) or selling drugs. Wouldn’t it be a good idea not to give them one more business to be involved in?

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[quote]alownage wrote:
derek wrote:
If almost every time you touched a wood stove you got burned, do you think you might find youself warning others to not touch said stove?

Strange, every time I’ve touched that stove the only thing that’s happened is me laughing a lot, playing computer games, and eating a lot of food…[/quote]

I liked this

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[quote]alownage wrote:

The bottom line is for these guys to not hang with shady people and never get in a position where they owe someone money. Most of my life I’ve bought pot from friends or close friends of friends. Never had any problems.
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I’d love to drop it but I can’t when you do the very thing you lectured me about doing which is as you put it; ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.

You;

“Let me spell it out for you: You’re using ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE to apply a general rule to everyone who is involved with drugs.”

Me;

Sure, you’ve never had a problem or run into trouble but you cannot apply your experience to everyone else!