The bottom line is for these guys to not hang with shady people and never get in a position where they owe someone money. Most of my life I’ve bought pot from friends or close friends of friends. Never had any problems.
I’d love to drop it but I can’t when you do the very thing you lectured me about doing which is as you put it; ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
You;
“Let me spell it out for you: You’re using ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE to apply a general rule to everyone who is involved with drugs.”
Me;
Sure, you’ve never had a problem or run into trouble but you cannot apply your experience to everyone else! [/quote]
Hahahaha, you jumped all over that. COULDN’T SEE THAT ONE COMIN! Desperate for arguments are we?
The point was I don’t drive down to the south side (that’s the bad side, by the way) of my town to buy pot. Why the fuck would you ever have people front you money that you don’t have? Sounds like a fuckup move to me. Yeah it’s sad, but he got what was coming to him.
[quote]alownage wrote:
Look, your experiences are very sad and I’m sympathetic towards them, but they hardly make a good case for avoiding drugs. [/quote]
No, your right. Stealing, getting killed, in jail, a court date, fines, losing your house, losing your family and friends. None of those are good reasons to avoid drug use. Good point.
Does it happen to ALL drug users? No. So it must be a concidence that none of it ever happened to me.
Hahahaha, you jumped all over that. COULDN’T SEE THAT ONE COMIN! Desperate for arguments are we?
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You can act like you led me into that one all you like. The truth is you fucked up by doing the same damn thing I did. I wont compare you to a six-year-old or a sixth grader or whatever you used to insult me, however.
[quote]alownage wrote:
Strange, every time I’ve touched that stove the only thing that’s happened is me laughing a lot, playing computer games, and eating a lot of food…[/quote]
Wow, you’ve created some beautiful memories there haven’t you? You must be so pleased with your accomplishments.
[quote]Majin wrote:
derek wrote:
Clearly I DID think he was stupid for getting caught. Now YOU strawman someone else;^)
Wasn’t your original main point. Who cares…
[/quote]
And you know my main point do you?
While at work tonight doing my 6x3 rack pulls, my 5x5 squats and my heavy farmers walks, snow blowing in through my open windows, Tool rattling the glass of a 100 year old factory, I got to thinking. I was pissed at myself for wasting so much time debateing drug use with drug users.
I wish I could have that time back but at least I realized something in the process; my “drug” is lifting alone in my own gym, no one around to piss me off, busting my ass, tearing my callouses and adding weight to the bar making real progress, getting stronger, getting bigger, getting tougher.
Your drug makes you “laugh a lot, play video games and eat too much”.
Yeah, drugs ARE cool, you just gotta know which ones to use!
[quote]derek wrote:
Majin wrote:
derek wrote:
Clearly I DID think he was stupid for getting caught. Now YOU strawman someone else;^)
Wasn’t your original main point. Who cares…
And you know my main point do you?
While at work tonight doing my 6x3 rack pulls, my 5x5 squats and my heavy farmers walks, snow blowing in through my open windows, Tool rattling the glass of a 100 year old factory, I got to thinking. I was pissed at myself for wasting so much time debateing drug use with drug users.
I wish I could have that time back but at least I realized something in the process; my “drug” is lifting alone in my own gym, no one around to piss me off, busting my ass, tearing my callouses and adding weight to the bar making real progress, getting stronger, getting bigger, getting tougher.
Your drug makes you “laugh a lot, play video games and eat too much”.
Yeah, drugs ARE cool, you just gotta know which ones to use![/quote]
Michael Vick makes more money in a year than you ever will. That is all.
Not checking this thread anymore, if anyone else wants to talk to the only man in the world with a mind denser than a brick they can have a go at it.
I’m gonna smoke like a fuckin’ chimney after lifting tommrow
[quote]derek wrote:
I know you weren’t exactly sticking up for me directly but I’m happy to see someone else with more experience than me backing me up.
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You don’t need my help, and that wasn’t the gist of my post. I don’t care about Vick or any other pro athlete. There’s a saying out here.
Drugs destroy dreams.
That’s my point. I’ve yet to come across a person that habitually uses and is successful.
The bad thing is, everyone will remember the charge and no one will remember the fact that he was found to not be holding anything.[/quote]
Actually, I think he is an even bigger dumbass for not wanting to give up a bottle with “nothing” in it.
I’m not saying one should always give in to authority figures, but damn, who doesn’t know about modern day, crawl-up-your-ass-with-a-microscope security at airports?
The bad thing is, everyone will remember the charge and no one will remember the fact that he was found to not be holding anything.
Actually, I think he is an even bigger dumbass for not wanting to give up a bottle with “nothing” in it.
I’m not saying one should always give in to authority figures, but damn, who doesn’t know about modern day, crawl-up-your-ass-with-a-microscope security at airports?
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I remember boarding an airplane right after I graduated and being told that I couldn’t bring the lighter I had on me on the plane. That lighter only cost me 20 bucks (Zippo) and I don’t even smoke, but I sort of held onto it like a “goodluck charm”. I had it all of the way through school since college. You can bet I was reluctant to throw it away even though I am sure someone looking outside the situation wouldn’t understand what the big deal was.
It really isn’t your place or anyone else’s to decide how much importance everyone needs to place on their own belongings. His bottle was sent to a lab and they found nothing. Maybe he just didn’t want his safe thrown away. I have one of those (I won’t say what it looks like) in my car that I hold cash in. It is the last place someone would look for money if they broke into it. Just because you don’t see the importance doesn’t mean much.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The bad thing is, everyone will remember the charge and no one will remember the fact that he was found to not be holding anything.
Actually, I think he is an even bigger dumbass for not wanting to give up a bottle with “nothing” in it.
I’m not saying one should always give in to authority figures, but damn, who doesn’t know about modern day, crawl-up-your-ass-with-a-microscope security at airports?
I remember boarding an airplane right after I graduated and being told that I couldn’t bring the lighter I had on me on the plane. That lighter only cost me 20 bucks (Zippo) and I don’t even smoke, but I sort of held onto it like a “goodluck charm”. I had it all of the way through school since college. You can bet I was reluctant to throw it away even though I am sure someone looking outside the situation wouldn’t understand what the big deal was.
It really isn’t your place or anyone else’s to decide how much importance everyone needs to place on their own belongings. His bottle was sent to a lab and they found nothing. Maybe he just didn’t want his safe thrown away. I have one of those (I won’t say what it looks like) in my car that I hold cash in. It is the last place someone would look for money if they broke into it. Just because you don’t see the importance doesn’t mean much.[/quote]
My seeing or not seeing “importance” (don’t know how you came up with that one) in an object has nothing to do with anything.
I’ll reiterate:
Anyone/everyone in the free world knows what airport security will/will not let on an airplane.
If you have something that might be considered contraband put it in some checked luggage and you will keep it!
Not following point #2, and refusing to hand over said contraband to airport security makes you an asshat that cost taxpayers thousands of dollars in legal and lab fees, and likely caused a major disruption/delay to passengers behind you.
Amazing, no?
That said, I do think that you having to throw away your lighter was ridiculous, as all the other nonsense items that are now forbidden like nail clippers and emery boards.
However, like you said, what I think doesn’t mean much, but what[i] the law[/i] currently says means a great deal however much you, I, or Mr. Vick tend to disagree with it. Knowing this, and working around it to avoid unpleasantries like the one he is currently embroiled in should, one would think, take top priority.
[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
My seeing or not seeing “importance” (don’t know how you came up with that one) in an object has nothing to do with anything.
I’ll reiterate:
Anyone/everyone in the free world knows what airport security will/will not let on an airplane.[/quote]
That isn’t true. Had I known about the lighter I would have left it behind instead of in a trashcan at the airport. SOME items not allowed are public knowledge. I doubt most people who just fly infrequently know everything not allowed on board. I also had no clue that water bottles weren’t allowed on board past a certain size until this happened. I doubt I am alone on that.
[quote]
If you have something that might be considered contraband put it in some checked luggage and you will keep it![/quote]
Thanks for that, but often that baggage is checked in BEFORE you get scanned and metal detected…and made to strip down to your barefeet by the security guard.
[quote]kroby wrote:
derek wrote:
I know you weren’t exactly sticking up for me directly but I’m happy to see someone else with more experience than me backing me up.
You don’t need my help, and that wasn’t the gist of my post. I don’t care about Vick or any other pro athlete. There’s a saying out here.
Drugs destroy dreams.
That’s my point. I’ve yet to come across a person that habitually uses and is successful.[/quote]
You don’t know enough T-Nationers. This place is full of rich professionals that squat triple bodyweight and smoke pot everyday. Just ask them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
My seeing or not seeing “importance” (don’t know how you came up with that one) in an object has nothing to do with anything.
I’ll reiterate:
Anyone/everyone in the free world knows what airport security will/will not let on an airplane.
That isn’t true. Had I known about the lighter I would have left it behind instead of in a trashcan at the airport. SOME items not allowed are public knowledge. I doubt most people who just fly infrequently know everything not allowed on board. I also had no clue that water bottles weren’t allowed on board past a certain size until this happened. I doubt I am alone on that.[/quote]
Huh. Sorry for your ignorance. Perhaps this will help:
I hardly think an NFL pro could be deemed an infrequent flyer, though.
[quote]2) If you have something that might be considered contraband put it in some checked luggage and you will keep it!
Thanks for that, but often that baggage is checked in BEFORE you get scanned and metal detected…and made to strip down to your barefeet by the security guard.
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Really? Get outta town! “BEFORE”? Seriously?
Well, this just changes everything, because we all know it’s impossible to put all of your carry-on prohibited items in a bag before you get to the airport and check it! That’s just crazy talk!
I mean, what are these government goons thinking? Do they think we’re super people or something?
Thanks for that vital piece of information, Prof. I’ll be writing my Congressman post haste!
[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
My seeing or not seeing “importance” (don’t know how you came up with that one) in an object has nothing to do with anything.
I’ll reiterate:
Anyone/everyone in the free world knows what airport security will/will not let on an airplane.
That isn’t true. Had I known about the lighter I would have left it behind instead of in a trashcan at the airport. SOME items not allowed are public knowledge. I doubt most people who just fly infrequently know everything not allowed on board. I also had no clue that water bottles weren’t allowed on board past a certain size until this happened. I doubt I am alone on that.
Huh. Sorry for your ignorance. Perhaps this will help:
I hardly think an NFL pro could be deemed an infrequent flyer, though.
If you have something that might be considered contraband put it in some checked luggage and you will keep it!
Thanks for that, but often that baggage is checked in BEFORE you get scanned and metal detected…and made to strip down to your barefeet by the security guard.
Really? Get outta town! “BEFORE”? Seriously?
Well, this just changes everything, because we all know it’s impossible to put all of your carry-on prohibited items in a bag before you get to the airport and check it! That’s just crazy talk!
I mean, what are these government goons thinking? Do they think we’re super people or something?
Thanks for that vital piece of information, Prof. I’ll be writing my Congressman post haste![/quote]
Unless you are arguing that everyone in the country knows every item not allowed on an airplane today, you are a raging dumbass. That list has even changed over the years and the link you just posted shows a change in the list as recent as September. You are saying that recent changes are common public knowledge? Would it amaze you to discover that not everyone even has a home computer, less known an internet connection? With changes that frequent, are you saying no one should ever be caught with an item not allowed on the plane? You can’t be that stupid, can you?
Unless you are arguing that everyone in the country knows every item not allowed on an airplane today, you are a raging dumbass. [/quote]
Well, then I guess I am a raging dumbass, since that is not what I am arguing.
Hint: “Unless” is different from “If”
But you’re a smart guy, you knew that.
Noooo…
I’m saying that if you have an item, let’s say, I dunno, something that could be used to light an incendiary device, that holds special meaning for you and thus you may balk at having to possibly throw away, you may want to check and see if it can be carried on a plane.
How to do this:
For those that don’t own/have access to a computer, there are these things called telephones. Telephones have been around much, much longer than computers, and, at one time, people used them to do things like call airports and purchase airline tickets!
Even today, one can call an airport and ask if something they have is permissible for carry-on, like, oh, say, objects with built-in hidden compartments designed to conceal things.
Although we may think of objects with hidden compartments as all fun and innocent, might one reason that airport security may not feel this way and ask accordingly?
People who are on planes dozens of times a year, like someone who plays in the NFL for example, should have first-hand knowledge of such items after flying so much. In fact, one could argue that he probably has people around him that could/should tell him such things.
But we are all human and have momentary lapses of judgement, and an NFL player may just forget what he is carrying, and may be asked to hand it over to security and/or discard it.
This is where we separate the men from the multi-million dollar, over-privileged asshats who would rather cause a large disturbance by refusing to hand over their $20-30 fun toy for inspection/disposal than just hand the damn thing over and be on their way.
Really, Prof, although you’ve made it clear that you were reluctant to pitch your lighter, am I confident that you did not refuse to hand it over multiple times and have to be arrested on suspicion of god-knows-what to realize that a face-off with airport security was a no-win situation (lotta hyphens here, huh?).
You and millions of other (mostly non-millionaire) airline passengers were/are smart enough to make that same decision, as I’m sure you are well aware, so why this big defense of Uncle Vick?
