I’m hoping that he’ll want to prove me wrong, of course.
Based on your deadlift and the assumption that you are lifting raw, I call bullshit on your squat number.
Damn tough crowd,next time maybe I should just do the idea then post results instead of allowing scrutiny. Publick Stews you have alot to base bullshit off of, by lifting raw if you mean no straps and all that stuff.
I don’t know what you mean. And I can’t really argue you, your just calling bullshit to join in the toasty burns that already surround myself from this internet bashing. You’ll just have to take my word for it, it doens’t matter if you call bullshit, if I know I squat it.
Air truth you hit the nail on the head there. Now Cephalic_Carnage I’ve made states in ohio in wrestling as a freshman and sophmore (enetering junior year), and Ohio is a wrestling state, I’m not trying to be a self centered ego tistical jock just defending myself.
Ohio University is willing to give me a full ride, bodybuilding training gives me enough strength by far for the technique to be fine. Granted I can run about a 17 in cross country and that definity is something not extrodinary if you weren’t more then an average athlete yourself.
You would have a better assumption then I’m a bad athlete or more opend minded advice. Bodybuilding is by far the toughest of all athletic journey’s you can go through, and the mental toughening alone has worked wonders with me on and off the field of play.
I don’t see what the fuck is a matter with my mindset either Cephalic_Carnage. I’m trying to be respectable and take in any advice anyone has, because all help is just that help and I appreciate it very much. You didn’t come off as an asshole becuase you explained you didn’t want to, you but you did come off as a smug prick.
Occupation: Varies.
Weight: Thanks to DC, it’s still increasing at quite a pace.
Height: 176 cm
Body fat %: 16-20% while bulking. 10-13 seems to be my normal state
Years Training: 8
You have eight years of expercience so you probably know your stuff. But your not giving advice, its like you just don’t like this thread personally, then don’t post. And granted I’m not completely in the right here I’m being pretty self centered and immature just to fight back or even start a thread proclaiming I’m trying an expermint.
But I figured since most people on here are freely educated and expercienced lifters I would get some some very helpful replies on other’s expercience or their preferance. Enough of being a bad ass on the keyboard and ranting, though.
I will gladly work on the squat and deadlift if they are weak good advice I’ll make sure to add strength programs and weider priority principle and work on the problem. But not once in my life has my mindset been looked down on, I just wonder how you saw that.
For wrestling I’ve gone days where you dont’ eat or drink and willingly took the sacrifice to win. I gorge my body until I’m about to puke to try to get enough nurtrients for bodybuilding. I’ve trained my whole life in an american fashion that hardwork comes through in the end.
Its an insult to alot of things most of all the stuff that will soon be called bullshit. I suggest you also give the beast awakens thread some advice too.
Just an observation here, but shouldn’t the basic premise of a forum such as this be to A) share experiences concerning lifting; B) provide advice concerning lifting; and C) provide encouragement and help to others concerning lifting.
It’s fucking pointless and retarded to have something like this if everyone’s just going to criticize everyone else for anything, and to “call bullshit” on anything that might possibly be impressive.
[quote]tnt2005 wrote:
I’ve always used T-Nation’s workouts and principles in bodybuilding. I am challenging the ideals of the golden era of bodybuilding. Two tribes existed in known bodybuilding culture high intensity training and weider training principles.
For eight weeks I will take on the weider’s programs with before and after shots. Then Mike Mentzer’s training programs for eight weeks. To learn their programs I am doing Arnold’s suggest workouts from his encyclopedia, and from Mentzer’s book High Intensity Training.
I will be running cross country at the same time so the results from either or may be sub par to what they could be on a strict bodybuilding fashion.
After I’m done I’ll post the results from both. The reason for this thread though is not a selfish boast, it is to see who else has tried this and what were their results and findings, which system did they think worked better.[/quote]
What you will find is that both methods will work after using the other. Volume works great after intensity and intensity works great after volume.
Cross-country running will screw up both methods.
Exactly.
tnt, you don’t need to be worrying about doing weider or mentzer programs at this point. You are still quite small and should focus on building a solid base of strength. A basic powerlifting/powerbuilding program would most likely be your best bet.
WS4SB, Bill Starr’s 5x5, or some of IronAddict’s programs would be a great place to start.
If you want strength endurance (more specific to wrestling) check out Charlie Lysak’s Primal Strength stuff.
[quote]Kulturkampf wrote:
Just an observation here, but shouldn’t the basic premise of a forum such as this be to A) share experiences concerning lifting; B) provide advice concerning lifting; and C) provide encouragement and help to others concerning lifting.
It’s fucking pointless and retarded to have something like this if everyone’s just going to criticize everyone else for anything, and to “call bullshit” on anything that might possibly be impressive. [/quote]
Best perception and thing I’ve seen written on in internet forum for quite a while. Sentoguy and you are both definitly right, the pictures probably just incouraged me a little to much.
You see Menzter you see Arnold and you just want to look like that no matter the cost or time. But from the help I’ve recieved in this thread. You are exactly right it would be more beneficial to continue working on building a base of more strength and train hard.
And when the sports are over, since they all must come to end have my body at a point where I’ll be able to bodybuild. I’m really grateful and a sincere thank you to everyone who helped on this thread I will write in my training journal what was learned and set up the menzter versus weider at a better time then try the test at a different time.
When it would be more beneficial to the bodybuilders of this forum. So I’m off to lift and eat, and hope cross country doesn’t interfere to much with the results.
[quote]tnt2005 wrote:
For wrestling I’ve gone days where you dont’ eat or drink and willingly took the sacrifice to win. I gorge my body until I’m about to puke to try to get enough nurtrients for bodybuilding. I’ve trained my whole life in an american fashion that hardwork comes through in the end.
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Be very careful with how much and how often you cut. I have several friends that wrestled all through high school and now have completely f-d up metabolisms. It’s good that you gorge your body after a cut, but the damage has already been done.
Ohio is extremely competitive and you have to do what you have to do, but bodybuilding and wrestling aren’t very compatible.
Priceless…
Some of these threads read like a classic novel where the main character has a tragic flaw that throughout the novel you’re wondering, hoping they’ll make the right choices, do the right thing, but, alas, their whether hubris, convictions, or otherwise alway lead to their self destruction or failure.
I’ll check back in 16 weeks to see how this reads out.