Meet Results? There Werent Any

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Exactly.

Also, and this is where I will differ with the casual competitor, if you are coaching or handling lifters you have to know the rules in the fed when this happens because even at local competitions part of the meet kit provided is an updated set of rules.

When something like this happens you have to make an issue of it and force them to follow the rules.

Several years ago I had some lifters at HS Nationals. They were allowing younger people to do gear check. I don’t know if they had ref cards or not, but assume they did.

One of my lifters pulled out a pair of Polish squat shoes that had been given to her by one of the most dominant female lifters in the history of IPF.

The girl doing gear check told her they weren’t acceptable because she had never seen them before.

I then asked her to speak to the technical officer and pointed out to her that the shoes still had IPF stamps on them from gear check at previous world level meets.

Basically, had I not been there and pushed the issue my lifter would have had a perfectly acceptable pair of squat shoes not pass inspection.

Wether you like it or not you cannot rely on people to know the rules. You have to arm yourself with knowledge and be willing to challenge when things get stupid.

At a local meet, confront the meet director and force them to crack the rulebook and follow the rules at hand.

Unilateral, uninformed decision making sucks and leads to a lot of dumb things being done at all levels of sport.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Having said that and in the absence of a video of the lift, I feel sometimes the head ref allows the lifter to strain with the weight much longer than necessary before calling it and this robs them of critical energy.

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I hate when the judges see something that would disqualify and let them struggle anyway. This happens in all feds. I have seen a USAPL meet where the side judges would raise their hand if they saw reason to redlight so the head judge could call take-it once he knew the lift would be red. Good idea I wish everyone did it.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yeah… all you had to say was USAPL. I was handling a lifter once at one of their meets and he was redlighted. when asked why, the judge responded- “it didn’t look quit right” wtf?? the rest of the meet was like that. at one point i gave him a slap on the back before a lift and you would have thought i dropped my pants and took a huge dump right there on the floor. i was told that that type of behavior wasn’t permitted. this was a family environment. very very lame. [/quote]

Once you get more meets under your belt you’ll realize shit like this happens everywhere and you just roll with it.

It’s not a USAPL thing, it’s a meet thing.

It’s what seperates gym lifts from competition lifts.[/quote]

yep… you are right, i’ve only done about 10 meets. i figured you of all people though wouldn’t be sticking up for the USAPL APW.

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Having said that and in the absence of a video of the lift, I feel sometimes the head ref allows the lifter to strain with the weight much longer than necessary before calling it and this robs them of critical energy.

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I hate when the judges see something that would disqualify and let them struggle anyway. This happens in all feds. I have seen a USAPL meet where the side judges would raise their hand if they saw reason to redlight so the head judge could call take-it once he knew the lift would be red. Good idea I wish everyone did it.[/quote]

Eh, I like finishing the lift on my own so I can judge how hard it was. If I absolutely destroy a second attempt but get reds for starting before a start command or something, I’ll increase my third by a little bit. If the judges take it right away, I’ll likely miss out on a few pounds to my total due to me not increasing it for my third attempt.

I see what you’re saying, and it’s a valid point… but here’s another view.

OP, it’s just repeating at this point, but shit happens. Do another meet, know the rules, and put up a total.

In the fit expo this year (USPF), I was handling for a training partner. I was handing off for her on her bench, so as the spotters and loaders were loading the bar, I apparently had a foot on the platform (behind the bench, where I was to hand off). She got a red light from the head judge (but two whites from the sides, thank god, lol) because of something completely unrelated to the lifter, and something that happened before the lift even happened. Some people will nit-pick the shit out of you just because they can.

It’s bullshit. What are ya gonna do? lol

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yep… you are right, i’ve only done about 10 meets. i figured you of all people though wouldn’t be sticking up for the USAPL APW.
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Ah, clever retort…perhaps you should know a little more about the mechanics of a situation before you point it out. Otherwise, you just end up looking silly.

My post was aimed at the OP, not you so I don’t know why you got sand in your vag over the whole thing anyway.

Feeling a litte sensitive, are we?

BTW, since you brought it up how many FULL meets have you done? By my count (although I haven’t been paying much attention) you have only done 1, with the rest being bench only meets.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

In the fit expo this year (USPF), I was handling for a training partner. I was handing off for her on her bench, so as the spotters and loaders were loading the bar, I apparently had a foot on the platform (behind the bench, where I was to hand off). She got a red light from the head judge (but two whites from the sides, thank god, lol) because of something completely unrelated to the lifter, and something that happened before the lift even happened. [/quote]

That’s bizarre. I saw a handler give a lifter a bench liftoff once but fail to get outta the head referee’s line of vision. So the head ref never gave the “Start” command. The poor girl held the weight and held the weight waiting for the command until the head ref finally said “Rack” and the girl got red-lighted. My coach, who is a Cat 1 IPF ref, said that the head ref should have told her handler to get outta the way. But he wasn’t nice like that.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yep… you are right, i’ve only done about 10 meets. i figured you of all people though wouldn’t be sticking up for the USAPL APW.
[/quote]

Ah, clever retort…perhaps you should know a little more about the mechanics of a situation before you point it out. Otherwise, you just end up looking silly.

My post was aimed at the OP, not you so I don’t know why you got sand in your vag over the whole thing anyway.

Feeling a litte sensitive, are we?

BTW, since you brought it up how many FULL meets have you done? By my count (although I haven’t been paying much attention) you have only done 1, with the rest being bench only meets.
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Don’t be hating on the BOFs. Last time I checked, someone who competes BOF is, well, still competing…

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I’m starting to see more and more why PL isn’t an Olympic event… such a shame too. I mean you would have Eastern Europe, Russia, and the states for sure.

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I’m a USAPL lifter and referee. I’ve had a friend be told she couldn’t wear booty short panties because they had “legs,” so she had to lift commando. I’ve had lifts passed at some meets, and the identical lift isn’t passed at a different meet with different refs. Ultimately, the refs are human and a lot of this is just what that ref happens to see at a given time. We aren’t perfect.

More than once I’ve disappointed people by telling them their t-shirts weren’t acceptable, their belts were illegal, or their suits weren’t okay. The reason I try to be strict with equipment check is so that the other referees don’t question the equipment later. Referees asked USAPL if Vibrams were okay a couple of years ago, and USAPL specifically said no. I think it’s silly, but it is the governing body’s decision.

The judges screwed up by conferring before denying your lift. I’m supposed to make my decision, and not talk to everyone else about it.

If I am doing a weighin and I see “illegal” underwear, I’ll bring it to the lifter’s attention. If you’re a new lifter, chances are at a local meet we’ll let it pass, because it is kind of a weird rule. If your violation is something like an inside-out t-shirt or thumb loops on with wrist wraps, I’ll judge the lift, and warn you to fix the stupid error before next time or else I’ll red light you for it.

I hate HATE red lighting new lifters, especially when it means they bomb out. I will do everything I can to tell you, between lifts, what you need to fix to get those white lights. At the same time, if you aren’t doing it right, I am not going to give you a freebie.

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

In the fit expo this year (USPF), I was handling for a training partner. I was handing off for her on her bench, so as the spotters and loaders were loading the bar, I apparently had a foot on the platform (behind the bench, where I was to hand off). She got a red light from the head judge (but two whites from the sides, thank god, lol) because of something completely unrelated to the lifter, and something that happened before the lift even happened. [/quote]

That’s bizarre. I saw a handler give a lifter a bench liftoff once but fail to get outta the head referee’s line of vision. So the head ref never gave the “Start” command. The poor girl held the weight and held the weight waiting for the command until the head ref finally said “Rack” and the girl got red-lighted. My coach, who is a Cat 1 IPF ref, said that the head ref should have told her handler to get outta the way. But he wasn’t nice like that.

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Yeah, he should have told the handler to move, and should have moved himself to see the lifter.

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Great post PMPM.

One of my biggest criticisms of our sport is when we treat new lifters poorly and do things like this to them.

We should be shepards.

I too had a lifter who showed up in boxers and ended up wearing my tighty wites because this issue came up.

However, he was allowed to make this minor adjustment and continue in the meet.

I have watched judges berate new lifters on the platform in front of everybody because their singlet touched their knee sleeves.

It’s just inexcusable.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

In the fit expo this year (USPF), I was handling for a training partner. I was handing off for her on her bench, so as the spotters and loaders were loading the bar, I apparently had a foot on the platform (behind the bench, where I was to hand off). She got a red light from the head judge (but two whites from the sides, thank god, lol) because of something completely unrelated to the lifter, and something that happened before the lift even happened. [/quote]

That’s bizarre. I saw a handler give a lifter a bench liftoff once but fail to get outta the head referee’s line of vision. So the head ref never gave the “Start” command. The poor girl held the weight and held the weight waiting for the command until the head ref finally said “Rack” and the girl got red-lighted. My coach, who is a Cat 1 IPF ref, said that the head ref should have told her handler to get outta the way. But he wasn’t nice like that.

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Yeah, he should have told the handler to move, and should have moved himself to see the lifter. [/quote]

Absolutely. Again, people new to the sport who don’t know what to do.

Instead of being a goon about it, the ref simply had to tell the person to move.

Why this shit happens is beyond me.

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In 5+ years as a basketball official, I have determined that there are two types of people who officiate sports: People who want to wield power over others, and people who love the sport and want to be a part of ensuring its integrity. It’s the former type that ruin sports, and seems to be the type you encountered. Those are the clowns who get on youtube and talk shit to guys like Eric Lilliebridge, and it sucks that they involve themselves. I think it’s obvious by this point that you aren’t going to let this get you down, so good luck in the future.

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]Singingbear78 wrote:
Okay, so im doing my first USAPL meet mar 12. what kinda underwear should i use? lol [/quote]

Lol. Tightywhities I guess man. Just not boxer briefs. And READ THE RULEBOOK ONLINE!!! I cant stress that enough.

Here is a link if you havent checked it out yet

http://www.usapowerlifting.com/aboutus/USAPLTechnicalRules20090800.pdf

Good luck and have fun![/quote]

haha alright, thanks bro!

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yep… you are right, i’ve only done about 10 meets. i figured you of all people though wouldn’t be sticking up for the USAPL APW.
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Ah, clever retort…perhaps you should know a little more about the mechanics of a situation before you point it out. Otherwise, you just end up looking silly.

My post was aimed at the OP, not you so I don’t know why you got sand in your vag over the whole thing anyway.

Feeling a litte sensitive, are we?

BTW, since you brought it up how many FULL meets have you done? By my count (although I haven’t been paying much attention) you have only done 1, with the rest being bench only meets.
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why don’t you clear it up for me then??

my issue is with you. you come on here and talk down to me and others like you are some expert in powerlifting to find out from others that you are weak as piss. you talk about me doing bench only meets like that’s a bad thing. I have a question- have you even squatted in competition what i’ve benched?? if not, that’s pretty damn sad considering that we are the same height and weight.

as for not doing full meets, i had what could have been a powerlfting ending injury a few years back when i tore my adductor badly. every time i get back up to what i consider respectable (in the 700lb range) i pull it again. i recently switched to pulling conventional and after a few weeks i pulled 600 with 100lbs of chain. not where i want to be but i’m getting there. unlike many, i only compete for myself. i have no delusions of being a great powerlifter. i just want to give my best when i do.

at least i put myself out there. i show it all unlike you that hides behind fake avatars pretending to be something you aren’t. when you act the way you do, plenty of people come out to tell me the truth.

i’m competing next weekend at the SPF Brute strength gym competition. I’ll be doing push/pull. why don’t you come down and show me what a FULL meet looks like. i would love to see it.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yep… you are right, i’ve only done about 10 meets. i figured you of all people though wouldn’t be sticking up for the USAPL APW.
[/quote]

Ah, clever retort…perhaps you should know a little more about the mechanics of a situation before you point it out. Otherwise, you just end up looking silly.

My post was aimed at the OP, not you so I don’t know why you got sand in your vag over the whole thing anyway.

Feeling a litte sensitive, are we?

BTW, since you brought it up how many FULL meets have you done? By my count (although I haven’t been paying much attention) you have only done 1, with the rest being bench only meets.
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why don’t you clear it up for me then??

my issue is with you. you come on here and talk down to me and others like you are some expert in powerlifting to find out from others that you are weak as piss. you talk about me doing bench only meets like that’s a bad thing. I have a question- have you even squatted in competition what i’ve benched?? if not, that’s pretty damn sad considering that we are the same height and weight.

as for not doing full meets, i had what could have been a powerlfting ending injury a few years back when i tore my adductor badly. every time i get back up to what i consider respectable (in the 700lb range) i pull it again. i recently switched to pulling conventional and after a few weeks i pulled 600 with 100lbs of chain. not where i want to be but i’m getting there. unlike many, i only compete for myself. i have no delusions of being a great powerlifter. i just want to give my best when i do.

at least i put myself out there. i show it all unlike you that hides behind fake avatars pretending to be something you aren’t. when you act the way you do, plenty of people come out to tell me the truth.

i’m competing next weekend at the SPF Brute strength gym competition. I’ll be doing push/pull. why don’t you come down and show me what a FULL meet looks like. i would love to see it.
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Tell you what, since you seem to have so much inside information on me why don’t you PM me with all your little sources so I can clear things up because you aren’t hearing that from anybody who really knows me because they wouldn’t say that.

You have ONE source and we both know who he is and he has no idea of what I have done in the aggregate of my PL career so quit running your mouth with things you can’t back up.

You clearly don’t know shit about me so quit running your little chicken head.

I have been involved in the sport since 1987 and in the last 7-8 years commited myself to training and helping others to the detriment of my own performance (which is certainly not as bad as you would like to claim) but I am fine with that because I have spent time with some of the most talented lifters on the planet and coached some damn good ones in the meantime.

You wanna throw rocks, let’s go. I have a big arsenal and you brought this on yourself.

I don’t know what’s up your ass and don’t really care, either. I am comfortable in my experience and knowledge of the sport, have never tried to prop myself up as an expert but do feel I have significant knowledge that I have gleaned over the years from lifters far more talented than myself and am happy to share.

If that causes you to suck your underwear up your ass I don’t know what to tell you other than to scurry back over to your other forum with all your slobbercockers.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
yep… you are right, i’ve only done about 10 meets. i figured you of all people though wouldn’t be sticking up for the USAPL APW.
[/quote]

Ah, clever retort…perhaps you should know a little more about the mechanics of a situation before you point it out. Otherwise, you just end up looking silly.

My post was aimed at the OP, not you so I don’t know why you got sand in your vag over the whole thing anyway.

Feeling a litte sensitive, are we?

BTW, since you brought it up how many FULL meets have you done? By my count (although I haven’t been paying much attention) you have only done 1, with the rest being bench only meets.
[/quote]

why don’t you clear it up for me then??

my issue is with you. you come on here and talk down to me and others like you are some expert in powerlifting to find out from others that you are weak as piss. you talk about me doing bench only meets like that’s a bad thing. I have a question- have you even squatted in competition what i’ve benched?? if not, that’s pretty damn sad considering that we are the same height and weight.

as for not doing full meets, i had what could have been a powerlfting ending injury a few years back when i tore my adductor badly. every time i get back up to what i consider respectable (in the 700lb range) i pull it again. i recently switched to pulling conventional and after a few weeks i pulled 600 with 100lbs of chain. not where i want to be but i’m getting there. unlike many, i only compete for myself. i have no delusions of being a great powerlifter. i just want to give my best when i do.

at least i put myself out there. i show it all unlike you that hides behind fake avatars pretending to be something you aren’t. when you act the way you do, plenty of people come out to tell me the truth.

i’m competing next weekend at the SPF Brute strength gym competition. I’ll be doing push/pull. why don’t you come down and show me what a FULL meet looks like. i would love to see it.
[/quote]

Tell you what, since you seem to have so much inside information on me why don’t you PM me with all your little sources so I can clear things up because you aren’t hearing that from anybody who really knows me because they wouldn’t say that.

You have ONE source and we both know who he is and he has no idea of what I have done in the aggregate of my PL career so quit running your mouth with things you can’t back up.

You clearly don’t know shit about me so quit running your little chicken head.

I have been involved in the sport since 1987 and in the last 7-8 years commited myself to training and helping others to the detriment of my own performance but I am fine with that because I have spent time with some of the most talented lifters on the planet and coached some damn good ones in the meantime.

You wanna throw rocks, let’s go. I have a big arsenal and you brought this on yourself.

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brought what on myself?? you talk’n like you are big shit?? everyone knows what my lifts are, my name where i train what meets i’ve done and will do. how about you?? if you are so great, tell us all about it. let’s just start with your best meet. what were your best numbers? i don’t care who you hang out with because i don’t hang out with anyone. i train in a private gym with two other guys and when i go to a meet i could care less who’s there, so that doesn’t impress me at all. I do it all for me and me alone.

i just want some actual evidence that you ever even lifted a weight. if you are going to go on the internet and give advice or talk down to someone you should be able to back it up.

i’m not PMing you. anything i have to say, i’ll say it out in the open. i have nothing to hide…how about you??

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I thought you had all the answers and knew everything about me. What I’ve done, what I haven’t done. What I know, what I don’t know.

Now all these questions. Hmmmm.

I have no idea why you went scurrying up the water tower over a post I made in an attempt to encourage a new lifter. I only attached it to your post because I thought you were being particularly discouraging.

You are insignificant to me. I have taken dumps that were more important to me than what you think, perceive or want to get ‘out in the open.’

Seriously. Lighten up, Francis.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
I’m a USAPL lifter and referee. I’ve had a friend be told she couldn’t wear booty short panties because they had “legs,” so she had to lift commando. I’ve had lifts passed at some meets, and the identical lift isn’t passed at a different meet with different refs. Ultimately, the refs are human and a lot of this is just what that ref happens to see at a given time. We aren’t perfect.

More than once I’ve disappointed people by telling them their t-shirts weren’t acceptable, their belts were illegal, or their suits weren’t okay. The reason I try to be strict with equipment check is so that the other referees don’t question the equipment later. Referees asked USAPL if Vibrams were okay a couple of years ago, and USAPL specifically said no. I think it’s silly, but it is the governing body’s decision.

The judges screwed up by conferring before denying your lift. I’m supposed to make my decision, and not talk to everyone else about it.

If I am doing a weighin and I see “illegal” underwear, I’ll bring it to the lifter’s attention. If you’re a new lifter, chances are at a local meet we’ll let it pass, because it is kind of a weird rule. If your violation is something like an inside-out t-shirt or thumb loops on with wrist wraps, I’ll judge the lift, and warn you to fix the stupid error before next time or else I’ll red light you for it.

I hate HATE red lighting new lifters, especially when it means they bomb out. I will do everything I can to tell you, between lifts, what you need to fix to get those white lights. At the same time, if you aren’t doing it right, I am not going to give you a freebie.[/quote]

Great post and exactly the type of philosophy that I think all judges should have.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I thought you had all the answers and knew everything about me. What I’ve done, what I haven’t done. What I know, what I don’t know.

Now all these questions. Hmmmm.

I have no idea why you went scurrying up the water tower over a post I made in an attempt to encourage a new lifter. I only attached it to your post because I thought you were being particularly discouraging.

You are insignificant to me. I have taken dumps that were more important to me than what you think, perceive or want to get ‘out in the open.’

Seriously. Lighten up, Francis.

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i know a lot more than you think i do. luckily for you i’m not looking to air your dirty laundry in public. just know that i have your number and i’m sure many others do to.

i’ve never once talked shit to someone over how they choose to lift or the decisions they make. you have way too many opinions about how others should go about things. then to find the shit i did. if i was you i wouldn’t fucking say a word.

if i’m insignificant, what the fuck does that make you??? damn.