IM not gonna debate wether or not Pro athletes use the juice or GH. I just cant believe that someones trainer is the one behind the gun. Can you believe those lame pictures of needles from years ago. Mcnamme just be banned from being a trainer, what a f …n idiot.
clemens Lied all day
I just can’t fucking believe that congress doesn’t have better shit to do.
Politics aside, it’s steroids…let it go.
If they wanna crucify a drug pick one of the really bad ones like meth, crack, or heroin.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
I just can’t fucking believe that congress doesn’t have better shit to do.
Politics aside, it’s steroids…let it go.
If they wanna crucify a drug pick one of the really bad ones like meth, crack, or heroin.
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They are doing it for the attention. I honestly can’t see another reason. Maybe this makes them feel like celebrities. The paycheck obviously isn’t enough.
Clemens may be guilty as hell or innocent - but let MLB worry about it.
I don’t like cheaters, and if he cheated, let the league visit consequences on the cheaters.
But Congress should have exactly zero role in it. The antitrust exception has served as a Deal with the Devil to let Congress nanny over the sport.
The pitiful part of all this is that one day it’s going to be reluctantly accepted that athletes are using steroids, they’re here to stay and we are now through trying to stop them. It may take a while, but all this is doing is delaying the inevitable.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The pitiful part of all this is that one day it’s going to be reluctantly accepted that athletes are using steroids, they’re here to stay and we are now through trying to stop them. It may take a while, but all this is doing is delaying the inevitable.[/quote]
I also think it hurt their efforts more than helped when they tried to expose some celebrities who had used testosterone.
I think Mitchell should rot in hell. Naming names with nothing more to go on than the word of “informants” who are talking only after being threatened with prison.
As for the idiot who said Clemens lied all day - got any proof? McNamee was caught in several lies. Name one of Clemens’ supposed lies.
The press want Clemens to be guilty. Congress wants Clemens to be guilty. I honestly think that that son of a bitch Selig wants Clemens to be guilty. Thank God he has the stones to fight this.
Like Thunder said, If he did cheat - let MLB handle it. We don’t need congress fucking up the sport any more than they already have.
Now they have their hooks in the NFL wanting to take a closer look at “Cheat Gate”.
Hey congress - how about you mind your own fucking business?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ghost22 wrote:
I just can’t fucking believe that congress doesn’t have better shit to do.
Politics aside, it’s steroids…let it go.
If they wanna crucify a drug pick one of the really bad ones like meth, crack, or heroin.
They are doing it for the attention. I honestly can’t see another reason. Maybe this makes them feel like celebrities. The paycheck obviously isn’t enough.[/quote]
I agree with both of you. Just more tax payer money wasted. I liked how some of the congressman tried to make Clemson and McNamee feel bad by going off on them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
The pitiful part of all this is that one day it’s going to be reluctantly accepted that athletes are using steroids, they’re here to stay and we are now through trying to stop them. It may take a while, but all this is doing is delaying the inevitable.
I also think it hurt their efforts more than helped when they tried to expose some celebrities who had used testosterone. [/quote]
It doesn’t pay to to care anymore. Exogenous hormones are a miraculous edge for many purposes and believing that people will forego that advantage, even if it were made a hanging offense indicates a woeful lack of understanding of human nature.
As far as hollywood is concerned, where is the outrage? Nobody cares if actors use to enhance their ability more effectively play a role. I even think that less regular folks are really outraged about their use in athletics than is popularly reported. I further think that what some people say publicly overstates their heartfelt opinions on the matter.
They may not want their kids to use, but I bet they don’t really mind seeing athletics in it’s present state.
Seriously most PRO athletes in strength sports USE STEROIDS, sorry to bust your bubbles. SO I dont care about it its a carosel who gets caught.
DOnt you think a trainer should be protect his client and not sell him out? doesn’t anyone have any thoughts on that?
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Seriously most PRO athletes in strength sports USE STEROIDS, sorry to bust your bubbles. SO I dont care about it its a carosel who gets caught.
DOnt you think a trainer should be protect his client and not sell him out? doesn’t anyone have any thoughts on that?[/quote]
I am more than sure most people’s thoughts are the same.
I personally don’t even understand supposedly keeping old needles and medical waste for years. Who the fuck does that?
And these are his “friends”?
[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
Seriously most PRO athletes in strength sports USE STEROIDS, sorry to bust your bubbles. SO I dont care about it its a carosel who gets caught.
DOnt you think a trainer should be protect his client and not sell him out? doesn’t anyone have any thoughts on that?[/quote]
I don’t think pitching is a strength sport. You can’t point a time when Clemens came out of the dugout, and everyone went, “Damn - look at him” ala Bonds.
Maybe they most athletes do juice. That’s not my call. I do think that there needs to be some standard of evidence before an athlete is publicly hanged.
McNamee threw Clemens under the bus only after being threatened with Federal crimes. That’s no excuse, but I think it shows you the lengths to which Mitchell and his witch hunt crew were willing to go. The body of his report was common knowledge at best. But everyone in the press creamed their pants over the list of names.
I have no idea who did what, but Clemens sure sounded convincing.
EDIT: BTW, I agree that this is not the business of congress. Another symptom of the increasingly popular nanny state.
I really don’t care about this whole Clemens thing. I could care less if he is guilty or not. Congress probably shouldn’t be getting involved in this. Steriods are illegal in baseball and that is the rules. These guys are making millions of dollars and if they can’t follow the rules then they should be punished.
On another note, i can’t wait for the season to start, go Pads!
I personally think Clemens took AAS/HGH. However, today was a circus. Both were lying at times. McNamee looks like a total dumbass right now, but Pettite, Knoblauch, etc, are all saying that Clemens took it.
However, this is a total waste of taxpayers’ dollars. Congress should be worrying about our national deficit, the war, and other legislation rather than focusing on athletes and year-old needles.
This whole thing is a joke.
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
I personally think Clemens took AAS/HGH. However, today was a circus. Both were lying at times. McNamee looks like a total dumbass right now, but Pettite, Knoblauch, etc, are all saying that Clemens took it.
However, this is a total waste of taxpayers’ dollars. Congress should be worrying about our national deficit, the war, and other legislation rather than focusing on athletes and year-old needles.
This whole thing is a joke.[/quote]
Would someone tell me when Clemens lied? I have not seen anything he said that has strayed from his original story.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I think Mitchell should rot in hell. Naming names with nothing more to go on than the word of “informants” who are talking only after being threatened with prison.
As for the idiot who said Clemens lied all day - got any proof? McNamee was caught in several lies. Name one of Clemens’ supposed lies.
The press want Clemens to be guilty. Congress wants Clemens to be guilty. I honestly think that that son of a bitch Selig wants Clemens to be guilty. Thank God he has the stones to fight this.
Like Thunder said, If he did cheat - let MLB handle it. We don’t need congress fucking up the sport any more than they already have.
Now they have their hooks in the NFL wanting to take a closer look at “Cheat Gate”.
Hey congress - how about you mind your own fucking business? [/quote]
I looked at todays hearings not from the hgh perspective but from the perspective that someone feels above the law enough to lie to congress. In my opinion there must be charges brought against one of the parties because one was not truthful under oath. If at this point no charges are brought it would be a mockery. I watched the whole thing today and it appeared obvious to me who perjury charges should be brought against.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Would someone tell me when Clemens lied? I have not seen anything he said that has strayed from his original story. [/quote]
He lied when he talked about his conversations with Pettite, and I think he’s straight lying about taking steroids and HGH. I fail to believe that he’d simply let his wife use HGH supplied by McNamee.
However, to counter that, McNamee lied when he said that Clemens was at Canseco’s party, because, as about 100 other people (including Canseco himself) said, he wasn’t.
[quote]jsal33 wrote:
I looked at todays hearings not from the hgh perspective but from the perspective that someone feels above the law enough to lie to congress. In my opinion there must be charges brought against one of the parties because one was not truthful under oath. If at this point no charges are brought it would be a mockery. I watched the whole thing today and it appeared obvious to me who perjury charges should be brought against.
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I asked for proof. Not opinion. This is not the Mitchell investigation. I would actually like to know what lies Clemens told. Burton jumped all over McNamee’s ass for out right lying. Did anyone call Roger out for lying? The only people I heard it from were the ESPN Radio guys. But even they were unable to specify a lie. Lots of conjecture, but no real proof.
Who’s lying?
How about some proof? Anyone?