makkun:
AT THIS POINT, despite a successful DEM convention, I would have to put the McCain ticket ahead.
While 2 months is a long time in an election cycle, I have a feeling that the potential for GREATER mistakes and gaffs will be with the Obama/Biden ticket.
Mufasa
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
McCain needed a woman for his VP, as I stated about 30 days ago. Is this the right woman? It could be, but heaven help McCain if she comes off as being even a bit weak in the brian department. They will then characterize her as a “Barbie Doll” and it will be all over. If she can stand with the big dogs then she’s a great pick.[/quote]
She already has stood with the big dogs. She turned back the Bridge to Nowhere, sued the Federal Gov’t, and sold the Governor’s GS5 on Ebay.
There is not a single report of her bending, or waffling on any issue, or running from any fight.
mick:
As I stated earlier, I simply don’t buy all the “Aw, shucks, eh…I’m just a Hockey Mom from Wasilla” schtick.
This is a smart, politically sauvvy, polished Politician (who happens to be comfortable with Grenade Launchers!)
She also doesn’t have to be “smarter” than her opponents (especially Biden).
I’ll say it over and over again as we discuss this on these threads; Biden (and thus the ticket) is going to be in a “lose-lose” debating Palin. As Michel Martin said yesterday, men simply don’t fare well in debates with women.
And that most likely will be especially true for 'ole “Stick-my-foot-in-my-mouth” Biden.
Mufasa
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
I’ll be the first to say MILF!!!1
She is also an admitted pot smoker, which means she is hot in the sack.[/quote]
McCain’s wife has a nice rack. She is easy on the eyes considering her age.
[quote]Hanzo wrote:
Ridiculous pick. it’s too much of a gamble. McCain was already moving in on Obama and had turned a once assured Obama win into a competitive race. Obama was on the defensive.
Not only does this undercut the potent experience argument against McCain, it frankly calls McCain’s judgement into question. He had met with her once before making his decision and she knows nothing about foreign policy and here she may become the most powerful person in the world.
Mitt Romney, Pawlenty, Ridge would have all made better candidates. This pick won’t gather any swing-votes or hillary votes for that matter. Can anyone honestly say that she’s the most qualified candidate to step in as president for McCain, which by the way was McCain’s own criterion for selecting the veep. The guy’s losing it.
Obama-Biden was a complementary ticket this is a spur of the moment ticket. If not for Hillary she would not have been on the ticket. Oh, and are they trying to steal Obama’s “change” message. Good luck …[/quote]
Actually I have more respect for governors than I do for senators or congressmen. At least governors run the state that they are in charge of, while senators and congressmen usually just bullshit and play political games.
Honestly, I wouldn’t even mind seeing a successful businessperson be elected for president, because again, they run things instead of bullshit and play politics.
The Palin nomination has now resulted in “VPILF” becoming a Google-suggested search word 
(Start typing in VPIL and it will suggest the remainder for you, and they’re all Palin hits.)
If the McCain ticket wins and for some reason Palin ends up replacing him, I predict the new phrase, “The MILF-in-Chief.”
[quote]rainjack wrote:
We got home from the high school football game a couple of hours ago. While we were waiting for the Friday Night football show to come on, I flipped the TV over one of the cable news channels.
I was hoping to get some info on Palin that I hadn’t already read about on the internet, and perhaps here her acceptance speech.
I made the mistake of telling my wife how hot Palin was, and that I had a crush on her. I thought it was kind of funny - and old fucker like me having a crush on a political figure.
I got bitch slapped.
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A lot of us have a crush on Jana…
LOL…she’s a creationist that believes “both sides should be taught.”
What a maroon…it’s disgusting how anti-intellectual the US has become.
But this will fire up TEH BASE for sure!!
[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president from the Dems and for vice president from the GOP. Neither one of these people has any business anywhere near the whitehouse. On top of that does anybody think this is the TYPE of woman that most Hillary voters wanted? What an insult if I were them. Just any old female will do the Mccain campaign must think.
Wadda disaster.
I agree on Palin. This was a purely politcal pick. And a poorly thought-out one. She seems like a nice lady but clearly lacks political experience. She was chosen because she is a social conservative, something McCain has been faulted for. And in a misguided attempt to ‘steal’ some Hillary supporters. But most aren’t that stupid, though some are. Most Hillary supporters aren’t going to vote for someone whose policies differ from Hillary in nearly every way just because that person has a vagina. It will also be interesting to see how the McCain campaign handles the experience issue given their criticism of Obama.
Your damn right this is a political pick - this is politics. What did you expect it be? You think Biden wasn’t?
She will steal a bunch of Hillarycrats. Hell, Geraldine Ferraro couldn’t say enough nice things about Palin after Palin thanked her for blazing the trail for Women being on the top ticket.
Palin also thanked Hillary.
You can think she is a weak pick if you want to, but you would be wrong. I thought that way as well, until I went and did some digging.
She will own Biden in any debate, in any format. I hope they have a debate in Florida, so she can go into the debate wearing a glock strapped to her side.
The experience issue is a non-issue. Well - if Obama has a brain, it should be. He’s got zero room to talk, and if he, or Biden say anything about it, he’s going to call his own inexperience into question.
I don’t know who you have been talking to, but this pick has reignited the right. No one was happy with McCain as the candidate. Now they actually have something to vote for.
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Of course picking a VP running mate is highly political. But it’s not all about electability. At least it shouldn’t be. If McCain croaks, I’m not particularly comfortable with Sarah Palin as president of the United States. I don’t really like Romney and disagree with many of his views but would feel more comfortable with him as president.
It’s true that Palin’s views are much more in line with the party base than McCain’s. But why should that matter? I don’t see him adopting these positions as his own. Do you? Maybe it will comfort some people under the rationale that she would at least have the ear of the president. But anyone concerned about McCain’s policies on social issues wouldn’t be voting Obama in any case. And I don’t for one second think Palin’s going to get many if any Hillary supporters at all.
Maybe a handful who want to see a woman in a position like that at all costs and does not care one bit about her positions or ideology. There aren’t too many of those.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The Palin nomination has now resulted in “VPILF” becoming a Google-suggested search word
(Start typing in VPIL and it will suggest the remainder for you, and they’re all Palin hits.)
If the McCain ticket wins and for some reason Palin ends up replacing him, I predict the new phrase, “The MILF-in-Chief.”[/quote]
Haha. Nice. She is pretty hot.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
I’ll be the first to say MILF!!!1
She is also an admitted pot smoker, which means she is hot in the sack.
McCain’s wife has a nice rack. She is easy on the eyes considering her age.
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Nice rack aside, she looks like a piranha
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
McCain needed a woman for his VP, as I stated about 30 days ago. Is this the right woman? It could be, but heaven help McCain if she comes off as being even a bit weak in the brian department. They will then characterize her as a “Barbie Doll” and it will be all over. If she can stand with the big dogs then she’s a great pick.
She already has stood with the big dogs. She turned back the Bridge to Nowhere, sued the Federal Gov’t, and sold the Governor’s GS5 on Ebay.
There is not a single report of her bending, or waffling on any issue, or running from any fight.
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I do like those things about her. She has also approached other issues with a great deal of common sense and willingness to compromise. Something the Republican party sorely needs.
All in all, I don’t think she’s a bad pick. I question her ability to actually lead and don’t think being mayor of a small Alaska town or governor of Alaska prepares her to do so. But hopefully she would not need to. I need to learn more about her. I do still think some of the reasons she was chosen are really not in play such as attracting Hillary voters.
Where Palin is likely to make a difference with women voters:
Not with left-leaning single women. They’re a lost cause to any Republican ticket. Solid Obama all the way. He could give the Cone quote on “black liberation theology” every single speech and affirm that that is what he believes and accuse everyone who objects to it of being a racist, could admit (if he is not) that he is not a US citizen, could admit (if it is so) that his parents were Communists, could – on this one I’m stealing someone else’s line – openly affirm that he is the Manchurian Candidate, could openly admit that he will massively increase taxes and plans total government control of allowed political content on televsion, radio, and the Internet, openly admit that he plans to place exclusively Marxist/Leninists on the Supreme Court, and openly admit that he wishes to eliminate the US military, repeal the US Constitution and place the United States completely under UN authority and they would STILL vote for him in landslide proportions. No Republican VP pick can change this.
Somewhat with single women who are not left-leaning, but this probably is not very important.
With married women that are in the middle or are “not sure if I want to hold my nose for McCain or just stay home this time” Republicans. Very major increase in votes here I think.
Among men voters, I do genuinely think that many men who might not have bothered voting for McCain will take the trouble to drive to the polls and pull the lever on account of Palin being uber-hot, gutting moose, standing up to the Feds, fighting corruption in her own party as well as the Dems, having been an Alaskan commercial fisherman which obviously is no picnic, etc.
P.I.L.F if McCain dies
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
McCain needed a woman for his VP, as I stated about 30 days ago. Is this the right woman? It could be, but heaven help McCain if she comes off as being even a bit weak in the brian department. They will then characterize her as a “Barbie Doll” and it will be all over. If she can stand with the big dogs then she’s a great pick.
She already has stood with the big dogs. She turned back the Bridge to Nowhere, sued the Federal Gov’t, and sold the Governor’s GS5 on Ebay.
There is not a single report of her bending, or waffling on any issue, or running from any fight.
[/quote]
This much is true.
She also practically singlehandedly defeated the corrupt REPUBLICAN Murkowski administration in her state. THAT is ballsy.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
<<< He could give the Cone quote on “black liberation theology” every single speech and affirm that that is what he believes and accuse everyone who objects to it of being a racist, could admit (if he is not) that he is not a US citizen, could admit (if it is so) that his parents were Communists, and could, to steal someone else’s line, openly affirm that he is the Manchurian Candidate, openly admit that he will massively increase taxes and plans total government control of allowed political content on televsion, radio, and the Internet, openly admit that he plans to place exclusively Marxist/Leninists on the Supreme Court, and openly admit that he wishes to eliminate the US military, repeal the US Constitution and place the United States completely under UN authority and they would STILL vote for him in landslide proportions. >>>[/quote]
Isn’t this getting a little ridiculous now? Everybody knows Laurence Harvey was the Manchurian Candidate.
On a more serious note, I suspect there are some people here who also fit the above description.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Agree with just about everything you said, but you’ll still be voting for McCain. Might suck if you get called off IRR to go attack some crappy country on the other end of the world that is no threat to America.[/quote]
If that’s what it takes to set our country up for a Palin presidency…
Look, Obama is just as likely to get us into a nonsensical war as McCain. Belligerent countries will be more reckless with him in office. Obama will also be more willing to commit troops so as not to be seen as weak on national defense. He’s not anti-war right now because he believes it; he’s against the war because that’s what’s popular.
America likes getting into wars, we just don’t like staying in them. Let the polls leading up to the midterms say that the democrats are unpopular for not standing up to Iran/Russia or more likely and the big green machine will be at war faster than the news wires can get the word out.
mike
[quote]Floortom wrote:
LOL…she’s a creationist that believes “both sides should be taught.”
What a maroon…it’s disgusting how anti-intellectual the US has become.
But this will fire up TEH BASE for sure!![/quote]
Yeah, it’s so much more intellectual to shut down debate. How about we burn books if they teach us something you don’t consider “intellectual”?
mike