McCain Picks Palin?

jsbrook · August 30, 2008, 12:15pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president from the Dems and for vice president from the GOP. Neither one of these people has any business anywhere near the whitehouse. On top of that does anybody think this is the TYPE of woman that most Hillary voters wanted? What an insult if I were them. Just any old female will do the Mccain campaign must think.

Wadda disaster. [/quote]

I agree on Palin. This was a purely politcal pick. And a poorly thought-out one. She seems like a nice lady but clearly lacks political experience. She was chosen because she is a social conservative, something McCain has been faulted for. And in a misguided attempt to ‘steal’ some Hillary supporters. But most aren’t that stupid, though some are. Most Hillary supporters aren’t going to vote for someone whose policies differ from Hillary in nearly every way just because that person has a vagina. It will also be interesting to see how the McCain campaign handles the experience issue given their criticism of Obama.

Tiribulus · August 30, 2008, 12:24pm

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I really don’t think that (agreed) not having the balls to stand up to Wright was the cause of not doing so: it seems to me the cause was that Obama is personally perfectly comfortable with people espousing such positions including in such a manner, and was perfectly comfortable having that be the environment his kids were exposed to.

He’s completely comfortable with “black liberation theology,” which has it that:

“If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”

The above was written by the “pioneer” of black liberation theology, James Cone, whom Wright cites as his authority.

Obama chose this as what he wanted to be part of. Clearly he is an extreme racist as he chooses to be part of extreme racism. It’s not that he failed to stand up to it, he chose to be part of it and I’m sure was completely comfortable every Sunday – and he did claim that generally, with periods of exceptions, he was a weekly attender.

The only thing he wasn’t comfortable with was the voters finding out about it. (And to this day, the in-the-tank-for-Obama media does not report what the black liberation theology that Obama chose for himself and his family really is about.)

That he is completely comfortable with and chooses this sort of thing is why the friendship with the terrorist, his admiration for his Marxist professors, and so forth.

Anyway, back now to the much better original topic :)[/quote]

You sir, could not possibly be more correct.

That is not any kind of Christian church that meets even the broadest of historical definitions of the Christian religion and other black ministers have come out and said so. To be fair, neither is Mormonism though the LDS church is thoroughly patriotic to the bone, but also sports a history of overt racism. Different topic.

Liberation theology is very thinly veiled Marxism wrapped in biblical garb. It can be tailored to suit whatever social context one would like to apply it to, in this case the American black community which is tragic. In an interview in early 07 Wright repeatedly chided Sean Hannity for not having read James Cone before criticizing black liberation theology and openly owned him as his inspiration.

It is utterly inconceivable that a man of Obama’s unmistakable intelligence could attend ANY church for 20 years without properly apprehending it’s core beliefs.

The man is an internal enemy as I have been saying. It has nothing whatever to do with his being black. It has everything to do with his embracing the political, social and economic worldview of our enemies. He has no loyalty to our way of life and CANNOT be allowed near the one branch of government in which he could reproduce himself maybe for decades which is the Supreme Court.

I stand by my previous statement that JFK, for all his faults, would weep to see his brother enthusiastically endorse a presidential candidate in his party that represents the overall philosophy that he courageously stared down during the Cuban Missile crisis.

Palin is growing on me. I did about 15 minutes of reading on her a couple months ago and initially thought this pick was a mistake. If it keeps Obama away from the whitehouse then I will stand joyously corrected.

SteelyD · August 30, 2008, 12:25pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
SteelyD wrote:

Why? Obama is every bit the Marxist Kruschev was, but without cool Soviet retro memorabilia.

Nice. The other day it was Stalin, now it’s Khrushchev. Gotta love the BS extremists on all sides.

Obama=Khrushchev/Stalin
Bush=Hitler
Our Country=Fucked by extremists

Because it’s so easy to be in the middle and have no rational thought process. Stuff works or doesn’t work. It’s like being half in favor of gravity.

[/quote]

No, because Obama is a Marxist. Of course, he hasn’t killed the masses that Stalin did. Marxism isn’t in and of itself violent, but Obama’s policies are genuinely Marxist.

His whole platform is built on class warfare. To deny that means that one has not listened to a word the man has said. His DNC was replete with Marxist innuendo.

I’m not a huge fan of Bush, opting instead for real small gov’t policies, but the comparisons to Hitler/Fascism are misguided. Nationalist? Sure. Fascist, no.

The irony, of course, is that when those with Bush derangement syndrome call Bush a fascist, they ignore the fact that ‘their’ candidates (ie the Socialists) are much closer to Hitlers M.O. Afterall, ‘Nazi’ is National-Socialist. The only difference is that Democrats don’t ‘promote’ the national identity that Hitler did, they’re form of Socialism falls Left with class warfare. However both promote Nationalization of Industry.

Obama’s mentor and great influence Frank Marshall Davis is an avowed Marxist-- I don’t see the big leap to make the connection.

But, I digress. Palin had me at the fish pic (below).

rainjack · August 30, 2008, 8:33am

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president from the Dems and for vice president from the GOP. Neither one of these people has any business anywhere near the whitehouse. On top of that does anybody think this is the TYPE of woman that most Hillary voters wanted? What an insult if I were them. Just any old female will do the Mccain campaign must think.

Wadda disaster.

I agree on Palin. This was a purely politcal pick. And a poorly thought-out one. She seems like a nice lady but clearly lacks political experience. She was chosen because she is a social conservative, something McCain has been faulted for. And in a misguided attempt to ‘steal’ some Hillary supporters. But most aren’t that stupid, though some are. Most Hillary supporters aren’t going to vote for someone whose policies differ from Hillary in nearly every way just because that person has a vagina. It will also be interesting to see how the McCain campaign handles the experience issue given their criticism of Obama. [/quote]

Your damn right this is a political pick - this is politics. What did you expect it be? You think Biden wasn’t?

She will steal a bunch of Hillarycrats. Hell, Geraldine Ferraro couldn’t say enough nice things about Palin after Palin thanked her for blazing the trail for Women being on the top ticket.

Palin also thanked Hillary.

You can think she is a weak pick if you want to, but you would be wrong. I thought that way as well, until I went and did some digging.

She will own Biden in any debate, in any format. I hope they have a debate in Florida, so she can go into the debate wearing a glock strapped to her side.

The experience issue is a non-issue. Well - if Obama has a brain, it should be. He’s got zero room to talk, and if he, or Biden say anything about it, he’s going to call his own inexperience into question.

I don’t know who you have been talking to, but this pick has reignited the right. No one was happy with McCain as the candidate. Now they actually have something to vote for.

SteelyD · August 30, 2008, 12:44pm

thunderbolt23 · August 30, 2008, 1:06pm

Mark Steyn:

[i]Over in the Frumistan province of the NR caliphate, our pal David is not happy about the Palin pick. I am - for several reasons.

First, Governor Palin is not merely, as Jay describes her, “all-American”, but hyper-American. What other country in the developed world produces beauty queens who hunt caribou and serve up a terrific moose stew? As an immigrant, I’m not saying I came to the United States purely to meet chicks like that, but it was certainly high on my list of priorities. And for the gun-totin’ Miss Wasilla then to go on to become Governor while having five kids makes it an even more uniquely American story. Next to her resume, a guy who’s done nothing but serve in the phony-baloney job of “community organizer” and write multiple autobiographies looks like just another creepily self-absorbed lifelong member of the full-time political class that infests every advanced democracy.

Second, it can’t be in Senator Obama’s interest for the punditocracy to spends its time arguing about whether the Republicans’ vice-presidential pick is “even more” inexperienced than the Democrats’ presidential one.

Third, real people don’t define “experience” as appearing on unwatched Sunday-morning talk shows every week for 35 years and having been around long enough to have got both the War on Terror and the Cold War wrong. (On the first point, at the Gun Owners of New Hampshire dinner in the 2000 campaign, I remember Orrin Hatch telling me sadly that he was stunned to discover how few Granite State voters knew who he was.) Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are more or less the same age, but Governor Palin has run a state and a town and a commercial fishing operation, whereas (to reprise a famous line on the Rev Jackson) Senator Obama ain’t run nothin’ but his mouth. She’s done the stuff he’s merely a poseur about. Post-partisan? She took on her own party’s corrupt political culture directly while Obama was sucking up to Wright and Ayers and being just another get-along Chicago machine pol (see his campaign’s thuggish attempt to throttle Stanley Kurtz and Milt Rosenberg on WGN the other night).

Fourth, Governor Palin has what the British Labour Party politician Denis Healy likes to call a “hinterland” - a life beyond politics. Whenever Senator Obama attempts anything non-political (such as bowling), he comes over like a visiting dignitary to a foreign country getting shanghaied into some impenetrable local folk ritual. Sarah Palin isn’t just on the right side of the issues intellectually. She won’t need the usual stage-managed “hunting” trip to reassure gun owners: she’s lived the Second Amendment all her life. Likewise, on abortion, we’re often told it’s easy to be against it in principle but what if you were a woman facing a difficult birth or a handicapped child? Been there, done that.

Fifth, she complicates all the laziest Democrat pieties. Energy? Unlike Biden and Obama, she’s been to ANWR and, like most Alaskans, supports drilling there.

Sixth (see Kathleen’s link to Craig Ferguson below), I kinda like the whole naughty librarian vibe. [/i]

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Mufasa · August 30, 2008, 9:12am

Re-igniting the right was CRUCIAL for McCain.

With a race that is in a virtual dead heat (which it has been for months), neither Obama or McCain could afford to lose any of their base.

You can believe McCain and his people knew that.

It simply was a brilliant political move.

Mufasa

Tiribulus · August 30, 2008, 9:18am

[quote]rainjack wrote:
<<< Your damn right this is a political pick - this is politics. What did you expect it be? You think Biden wasn’t?

She will still a bunch of Hillarycrats. Hell, Geraldine Ferraro couldn’t say enough nice things about Palin after Palin thanked her for blazing the trail for Women being on the top ticket.

Palin also thanked Hillary.

You can think she is a weak pick if you want to, but you would be wrong. I thought that way as well, until I went and did some digging.

She will own Biden in any debate, in any format. I hope they have a debate in Florida, so she can go into the debate wearing a glock strapped to her side.

The experience issue is a non-issue. Well - if Obama has a brain, it should be. He’s got zero room to talk, and if he, or Biden say anything about it, he’s going to call his own inexperience into question.

I don’t know who you have been talking to, but this pick has reignited the right. No one was happy with McCain as the candidate. Now they actually have something to vote for.

[/quote]

Yeah, but Ferraro still said she wouldn’t vote for Mccain which I do think is indicative of a large number of Clintonistas.

How must Biden REALLY feel. He’s been trying to invade the whitehouse for 20 years and now this styrofoam upstart gets the nomination with Biden barely taking 1% of the primary vote? Then on top of that he’s now forced to bring everything to the ticket that Obama is not? He took the job to defeat Mccain and maybe be next in line next time, but this must be killing him. KILLING him. He has to be thinking [quote]“SOOOO, I’m good enough to get Che Obama elected, but not good enough for the nomination myself?”[/quote]

thunderbolt23 · August 30, 2008, 1:29pm

Several comments from some of my friends last night:

“McCain should dress like a pimp and walk with Cindy McCain on one arm and Palin on the other.”

-(possible McCain voter turned committed McCain voter)

“Palin is who Hillary Clinton wished she could grow up to be. McCain has nominated Annie Oakley for veep.”

-(moderate liberal hawk who won’t vote for Obama on the basis he is too far left and inept on all the big questions of national security)

Tiribulus · August 30, 2008, 1:31pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Re-igniting the right was CRUCIAL for McCain.

With a race that is in a virtual dead heat (which it has been for months), neither Obama or McCain could afford to lose any of their base.

You can believe McCain and his people knew that.

It simply was a brilliant political move.

Mufasa[/quote]

My fear is that it winds up being a wash with women though. It will bring some onboard, but like I said in my first post, there will be some who see it as insulting that [quote]this old white guy thinks were so shallow as to vote for him just because he puts a women on the ticket? We do have views ya know.[/quote]

thunderbolt23 · August 30, 2008, 1:33pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Then on top of that he’s now forced to bring everything to the ticket that Obama is not? He took the job to defeat Mccain and maybe be next in line next time, but this must be killing him. KILLING him. He has to be thinking “SOOOO, I’m good enough to get Che Obama elected, but not good enough for the nomination myself?”[/quote]

An interesting problem - Biden was selected for his foreign policy expertise, and yet, Obama thinks Biden was on the wrong side of the biggest foreign policy issue in recent history: voting in favor of the Iraq war.

No doubt that particular point will be raised, hopefully by Palin in the VP debates.

Tiribulus · August 30, 2008, 9:45am

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
<<< I really don’t like McCain and don’t trust that he’ll pick better justices than Obama >>>[/quote]

Oh buddy, you can’t possibly mean this. I know what you mean about maybe another David Suitor, but Obama positively guarantees disastrous Supreme Court justices.

Headhunter · August 30, 2008, 9:48am