[quote]jayski wrote:
damn shes hot! she’s got that sexy librarian thing going on. she can use that to make up for her lack of foreign policy experience. from what i’ve read up on her, i think she’ll handle any shit storm they throw at her.
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I knew I couldn’t be the only one seeing the sexy librarian in those pics.
I personally think that the Dems are sweating bullets about a Biden/Palin debate. Biden has proven more than once that his mouth moves a bit faster than his brain sometimes.
One pundit was talking about how Palin will have to be brought “up-to-snuff” on Foreign Policy to prepare her for the debates.
This lady seems pretty smart and shrewd (I ain’t buyin’ all this “Aw’ shucks, I’m a Hockey Mom” schtick).
Biden better be the one brushing up on his debate skills.
Mufasa
[quote]jayski wrote:
pat wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
I’ll be the first to say MILF!!!1
She is also an admitted pot smoker, which means she is hot in the sack.
I like the way you think…And I like potheads, go figure…I think it was a ballsy move…I hope she is prepared for a shit storm cause she’s gonna get one.
Wouldn’t it be VPILF?
damn shes hot! she’s got that sexy librarian thing going on. she can use that to make up for her lack of foreign policy experience. from what i’ve read up on her, i think she’ll handle any shit storm they throw at her.
she might be from a smaller backyard, but it seems like she’s got more backbone than just about another other spineless politician out there[/quote]
My thoughts on this issue
First off all, that librarian picture is not of Palin, but of the Overstock.com spokeswoman. The comment is that the two women look alike. nonetheless, I am moving to Alaska tomorrow to find me one of these moose-grappling, gun-toting, right wing beauty queens.
Okay, when Palin first stepped foot on the stage today, did anyone else think SHE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE STRIPPER/TEACHER IN VARSITY BLUES!!! BEULLER? BEULLER?
In all seriousness, people are commentating about the potential VP debates. Does anyone really think a VP debate can make or break a candidate? Qualye got his ass HANDED to him and Bush STILL won the election. Bush could have selected Chimps the monkey and still won that election.
For those of you who say Alaska is not really a state, it has no people, she had an easy job . . . GET REAL! If anything, she must work HARDER becuase the people of Alaska expect a more personal communication and expect MORE of their governship. She certainly has a harder job as governor of alaska than Bush did as governor of Texas, which is a WEAK governorship!
Funny, how even though Hilary Clinton has been out of the running for MONTHS, she is still more talked about than either of the 2 candidtates, or so it seems like. The entire Dem Convention was about HILLARY and making sure the HILLARY voters were happy. Now, everyone is saying how Palin will help McCain attract disgruntled HILLARY supports. Its a pretty powerful 18,000,000 voters!
I am an independent, but this election I will be supporting McCain, and Palin makes that job a heck of a lot easier.
OBAMA SAT IN THAT CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS AND LISTENED TO THAT BAFFOON JEREMIAH WRIGHT ATTACK AMERICA EVERY FUCKING SUNDAY. IF HE DOES NOT HAVE THE JUDGMENT/BALLS TO STAND UP TO A RACIST, IGNORANT PASTOR, HOW DOES HE HAVE THE JUDMENT TO RUN THE COUNTRY???
[quote]pookie wrote:
In fact, if I had to pick one thing that disappoints me about her, it’s that she’s a creationist and supports teaching it in school alongside evolution.
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Funny you mention this after your recent comments regarding homeschoolers only showing one side.
mike
I really don’t think that (agreed) not having the balls to stand up to Wright was the cause of not doing so: it seems to me the cause was that Obama is personally perfectly comfortable with people espousing such positions including in such a manner, and was perfectly comfortable having that be the environment his kids were exposed to.
He’s completely comfortable with “black liberation theology,” which has it that:
“If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
The above was written by the “pioneer” of black liberation theology, James Cone, whom Wright cites as his authority.
Obama chose this as what he wanted to be part of. Clearly he is an extreme racist as he chooses to be part of extreme racism. It’s not that he failed to stand up to it, he chose to be part of it and I’m sure was completely comfortable every Sunday – and he did claim that generally, with periods of exceptions, he was a weekly attender.
The only thing he wasn’t comfortable with was the voters finding out about it. (And to this day, the in-the-tank-for-Obama media does not report what the black liberation theology that Obama chose for himself and his family really is about.)
That he is completely comfortable with and chooses this sort of thing is why the friendship with the terrorist, his admiration for his Marxist professors, and so forth.
Anyway, back now to the much better original topic 
[quote]MapShooter wrote:
jayski wrote:
pat wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
I’ll be the first to say MILF!!!1
She is also an admitted pot smoker, which means she is hot in the sack.
I like the way you think…And I like potheads, go figure…I think it was a ballsy move…I hope she is prepared for a shit storm cause she’s gonna get one.
Wouldn’t it be VPILF?
damn shes hot! she’s got that sexy librarian thing going on. she can use that to make up for her lack of foreign policy experience. from what i’ve read up on her, i think she’ll handle any shit storm they throw at her.
she might be from a smaller backyard, but it seems like she’s got more backbone than just about another other spineless politician out there
My thoughts on this issue
First off all, that librarian picture is not of Palin, but of the Overstock.com spokeswoman. The comment is that the two women look alike. nonetheless, I am moving to Alaska tomorrow to find me one of these moose-grappling, gun-toting, right wing beauty queens.
Okay, when Palin first stepped foot on the stage today, did anyone else think SHE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE STRIPPER/TEACHER IN VARSITY BLUES!!! BEULLER? BEULLER?
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damn google picture search! my bad. i think this one is actually her, but you’re right, they do look alike. she does look like that teacher from varsity blues! thats who came to mind when i first saw her.
We got home from the high school football game a couple of hours ago. While we were waiting for the Friday Night football show to come on, I flipped the TV over one of the cable news channels.
I was hoping to get some info on Palin that I hadn’t already read about on the internet, and perhaps here her acceptance speech.
I made the mistake of telling my wife how hot Palin was, and that I had a crush on her. I thought it was kind of funny - and old fucker like me having a crush on a political figure.
I got bitch slapped.
I’m beyond excited about this pick. I’m only 27, but I’ve voted in every election possible since I came of age, missing only a couple local ones while I was in the Corps. This will be the first time I have ever voted FOR someone instead of making a lesser of two evils decision. Even voting Ron Paul in the primaries was a lesser of two evils vote.
That said, here are my thoughts:
1)The scandal with the trooper is dumb. The guy had tased his stepson because the kid wanted to know how it feels. The cop had been caught drinking on the job in his cruiser as well as poaching. He needed to get canned.
2)She was in the ME a year prior to Obama. She had gone to check up on her guard units.
3)She backs up her talk. I am anti-abortion in a general sense, but it would be a tough decision if I knew my kid would be retarded.
4)She gives us UI grads some cred. Not that this matters, but it gives me a fuzzy.
5)Experience: So far as I see it, experience is a bad attribute when 90% of your experience is as being a fuckjob. I’d vote for someone who shares my values and lacks experience long before voting for someone with experience who opposes my beliefs.
6)She’s everything McCain isn’t. She’s a conservative, not a “cornservative”. She also vetoed legislation preventing preventing gay couples who work for the gov from getting bennies. Good for her.
7)She’s everything Hillary isn’t. Hillary felt the need to subdue the fact that she’s a woman. She behaved like a man and did the whole pant-suit thing too much. Palin seems to be comfortable and unashamed being a woman. As someone who may be the father of a daughter in a few months, I consider her a far superior role-model.
8)Anyone trying to tell the feds to ef themselves is a winner in my book. Perhaps she’ll keep the old man in check.
So far as I see it, she’ll be the best person we’ve had in the WH since Reagan. I really don’t like McCain and don’t trust that he’ll pick better justices than Obama and Palin is perhaps the only person that could have pulled me back to the dark side. The fact that Bob Barr is a hippocrite and a dumbass didn’t hurt either. I’m going to feel bad spending 4 years hoping McCain kicks.
mike
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Because it’s so easy to be in the middle and have no rational thought process. Stuff works or doesn’t work. It’s like being half in favor of gravity.
[/quote]
I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but I’m confused. What exactly are you saying? Are you saying people in the middle don’t think rationally?
I’m pro 2nd Amendment and oppose gun control.
I’m pro choice and pro death penalty (I guess I’m pro death).
I don’t have any problems with gay marriages.
I’m in favor of some forms of social welfare.
I’d like to see Social Security canned.
I’m against any kind of government social/universal health care.
etc, etc.
I hope you’re not saying I lack rational thought because, I’m very “middle” myself.
Pick Romney, c’mon c’mon
Ridiculous pick. it’s too much of a gamble. McCain was already moving in on Obama and had turned a once assured Obama win into a competitive race. Obama was on the defensive.
Not only does this undercut the potent experience argument against McCain, it frankly calls McCain’s judgement into question. He had met with her once before making his decision and she knows nothing about foreign policy and here she may become the most powerful person in the world.
Mitt Romney, Pawlenty, Ridge would have all made better candidates. This pick won’t gather any swing-votes or hillary votes for that matter. Can anyone honestly say that she’s the most qualified candidate to step in as president for McCain, which by the way was McCain’s own criterion for selecting the veep. The guy’s losing it.
Obama-Biden was a complementary ticket this is a spur of the moment ticket. If not for Hillary she would not have been on the ticket. Oh, and are they trying to steal Obama’s “change” message. Good luck …
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I really don’t think that (agreed) not having the balls to stand up to Wright was the cause of not doing so: it seems to me the cause was that Obama is personally perfectly comfortable with people espousing such positions including in such a manner, and was perfectly comfortable having that be the environment his kids were exposed to.
He’s completely comfortable with “black liberation theology,” which has it that:
“If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
The above was written by the “pioneer” of black liberation theology, James Cone, whom Wright cites as his authority.
Obama chose this as what he wanted to be part of. Clearly he is an extreme racist as he chooses to be part of extreme racism. It’s not that he failed to stand up to it, he chose to be part of it and I’m sure was completely comfortable every Sunday – and he did claim that generally, with periods of exceptions, he was a weekly attender.
The only thing he wasn’t comfortable with was the voters finding out about it. (And to this day, the in-the-tank-for-Obama media does not report what the black liberation theology that Obama chose for himself and his family really is about.)
That he is completely comfortable with and chooses this sort of thing is why the friendship with the terrorist, his admiration for his Marxist professors, and so forth.
Anyway, back now to the much better original topic :)[/quote]
Wow, Bill Roberts, the inventor, commented on my Obama/Wright comment! I feel honored
Is this simply the case of a partisan and biassed media completely ignoring these shady Obama connections? I have been completely engrossed in this election for a number of months, but I feel like I know Sarah Palin better then I will ever know Barack Obama, and I’ve only know Palin for a day!
Obama is still this complete mystery to me, someone who has rode the momentum of an utterly uncalled for media circus to potentially the world’s highest office. Who Obama says he is and what the reality is could very well be 2 completely opposite things. Maybe he was never in close contact with Bill Ayers, maybe he was. Maybe he is a proponent of black liberation theology, maybe he isn’t. What I do know is that he goes to great lengths to try and cover himself up.
I think many will agree with me that the ONLY qualification Obama has for the presidency is that he is black, if that can even be considered a qualification. It cripples me to see all these black people simply voting for Obama because he is black, in the same sense it is discouraging that someone would vote for Hillary JUST because she is a woman or for McCain JUST because he picked a woman VP. Palin, aside from being a woman, has accomplished TANGIBLE things for her state, and has a great deal of experience in the energy field, considering Alaska is at the top of the offshore drilling sites. She brings so much to the table as a consdervative.
Biden? How is Biden an example of “change”? He’s as Washington as it comes. And can someone explain to me how any of Obama’s cliche liberal bumper-stickers connotate “change”?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
We got home from the high school football game a couple of hours ago. While we were waiting for the Friday Night football show to come on, I flipped the TV over one of the cable news channels.
I was hoping to get some info on Palin that I hadn’t already read about on the internet, and perhaps here her acceptance speech.
I made the mistake of telling my wife how hot Palin was, and that I had a crush on her. I thought it was kind of funny - and old fucker like me having a crush on a political figure.
I got bitch slapped.
[/quote]
Hahahahaha! We never learn, do we! I however am evolved (code word for scared) and kept that part to myself.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Because it’s so easy to be in the middle and have no rational thought process. Stuff works or doesn’t work. It’s like being half in favor of gravity.
I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but I’m confused. What exactly are you saying? Are you saying people in the middle don’t think rationally?
I’m pro 2nd Amendment and oppose gun control.
I’m pro choice and pro death penalty (I guess I’m pro death).
I don’t have any problems with gay marriages.
I’m in favor of some forms of social welfare.
I’d like to see Social Security canned.
I’m against any kind of government social/universal health care.
etc, etc.
I hope you’re not saying I lack rational thought because, I’m very “middle” myself.[/quote]
Most people that i have seen say they are in the “middle” have just not thought about their positions. If you can rationally explain them, I don’t call that middle.
For instance, I oppose gay marriage because I think it’s just a ploy for acceptance and benefits. statistically gay men have a much greater amount of sexual partners than straight men and women. To me it seems that they just want health coverage, not marriage. Also, when it comes to property after a partner dies there is this thing called a will which I have. I’ve heard this boo hoo argument.
As for abortion, I’m pro life wife pragmatism. It’s never going to be illegal, but I think that this right to privacy or women’s choice was fallacious. the government tells many of us what to do with our body. States regulate what various medical procedures, which abortion is.
Personally, I hate it, but it’s not going to be illegal. However, I do think it should be decided state to state.
Most middle people I have met have been knee jerk middle. kind of like that knee jerk liberal, but automatically opposing both parties to show how " thoughtful" they are. If you actually have a rational reason for why and how you think of an issue, I can’t complain and wouldn’t dare to lump you in that crowd. didn’t mean to offend.
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
flyboy51v wrote:
Reef wrote:
So McCain criticizes Obama’s lack of experience and picks someone with even less as his VP? If he croaks during office, are you ready to have her as your next president?
how do you figure? How does 2 years in the senate trump two years as governor? In fact … 2 years as governor makes her more qualified. He’s literally done NOTHING. And he’s the TOP of their ticket.
Especially considering as Obama did nothing in his 2 years in the Senate – except campaign for the next office he wanted.
And had never done anything before that either, not in terms of ever running anything or being in charge of anything, except campaigning for office.
Of course, the left says that skill at campaigning for office is proof of sufficient executive skills to be President of the United States, while experience in fact acting as chief executive of a multi-billion-dollar, multi-thousand-employee operation (for example, a state) in no way implies adequate managerial and executive skills. Just for the sake of presenting both positions. [/quote]
Being a governor has a lot more in common with the presidency than a senator. The responsibilities and duties are so similar a governorship is really just a scaled down presidency.
[quote]Reef wrote:
So McCain criticizes Obama’s lack of experience and picks someone with even less as his VP? If he croaks during office, are you ready to have her as your next president?[/quote]
Double edged sword there huh.
Where is the bounce? He isn’t getting much push after the convention…
The undecided will decide the winner. The committed won’t change their mind.
Doesn’t hurt that she is hot though.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
tom63 wrote:
For instance, I oppose gay marriage because I think it’s just a ploy for acceptance and benefits. statistically gay men have a much greater amount of sexual partners than straight men and women.
[/quote]
Start banging more broads. We can’t let sissy boys beat us…
[quote]tom63 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Because it’s so easy to be in the middle and have no rational thought process. Stuff works or doesn’t work. It’s like being half in favor of gravity.
I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but I’m confused. What exactly are you saying? Are you saying people in the middle don’t think rationally?
I’m pro 2nd Amendment and oppose gun control.
I’m pro choice and pro death penalty (I guess I’m pro death).
I don’t have any problems with gay marriages.
I’m in favor of some forms of social welfare.
I’d like to see Social Security canned.
I’m against any kind of government social/universal health care.
etc, etc.
I hope you’re not saying I lack rational thought because, I’m very “middle” myself.
Most people that i have seen say they are in the “middle” have just not thought about their positions. If you can rationally explain them, I don’t call that middle.
For instance, I oppose gay marriage because I think it’s just a ploy for acceptance and benefits. statistically gay men have a much greater amount of sexual partners than straight men and women. To me it seems that they just want health coverage, not marriage. Also, when it comes to property after a partner dies there is this thing called a will which I have. I’ve heard this boo hoo argument.
As for abortion, I’m pro life wife pragmatism. It’s never going to be illegal, but I think that this right to privacy or women’s choice was fallacious. the government tells many of us what to do with our body. States regulate what various medical procedures, which abortion is.
Personally, I hate it, but it’s not going to be illegal. However, I do think it should be decided state to state.
Most middle people I have met have been knee jerk middle. kind of like that knee jerk liberal, but automatically opposing both parties to show how " thoughtful" they are. If you actually have a rational reason for why and how you think of an issue, I can’t complain and wouldn’t dare to lump you in that crowd. didn’t mean to offend.
[/quote]
I was going to attempt to explain my positioning, but that’s neither here nor there and this isn’t the thread for it.
I don’t think of myself as especially “thoughtful”. I just know where I stand – or at least lean. I also never really thought of myself as opposing both parties, more like agreeing with certain points from both sides. Maybe that’s just a “glass half-full” thing.
I didn’t take offense, I just wasn’t clear on what you meant.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I’m beyond excited about this pick. I’m only 27, but I’ve voted in every election possible since I came of age, missing only a couple local ones while I was in the Corps. This will be the first time I have ever voted FOR someone instead of making a lesser of two evils decision. Even voting Ron Paul in the primaries was a lesser of two evils vote.
That said, here are my thoughts:
1)The scandal with the trooper is dumb. The guy had tased his stepson because the kid wanted to know how it feels. The cop had been caught drinking on the job in his cruiser as well as poaching. He needed to get canned.
2)She was in the ME a year prior to Obama. She had gone to check up on her guard units.
3)She backs up her talk. I am anti-abortion in a general sense, but it would be a tough decision if I knew my kid would be retarded.
4)She gives us UI grads some cred. Not that this matters, but it gives me a fuzzy.
5)Experience: So far as I see it, experience is a bad attribute when 90% of your experience is as being a fuckjob. I’d vote for someone who shares my values and lacks experience long before voting for someone with experience who opposes my beliefs.
6)She’s everything McCain isn’t. She’s a conservative, not a “cornservative”. She also vetoed legislation preventing preventing gay couples who work for the gov from getting bennies. Good for her.
7)She’s everything Hillary isn’t. Hillary felt the need to subdue the fact that she’s a woman. She behaved like a man and did the whole pant-suit thing too much. Palin seems to be comfortable and unashamed being a woman. As someone who may be the father of a daughter in a few months, I consider her a far superior role-model.
8)Anyone trying to tell the feds to ef themselves is a winner in my book. Perhaps she’ll keep the old man in check.
So far as I see it, she’ll be the best person we’ve had in the WH since Reagan. I really don’t like McCain and don’t trust that he’ll pick better justices than Obama and Palin is perhaps the only person that could have pulled me back to the dark side. The fact that Bob Barr is a hippocrite and a dumbass didn’t hurt either. I’m going to feel bad spending 4 years hoping McCain kicks.
mike[/quote]
Agree with just about everything you said, but you’ll still be voting for McCain. Might suck if you get called off IRR to go attack some crappy country on the other end of the world that is no threat to America.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Agree.
Personal Attacks? = Biden loses.
Comparing and contrasting the complexity of International Politics and National Security with running Wasilla or even Alaska? = Biden at LEAST hold his own.
Mufasa[/quote]
Biden can’t help himself. He has always been his own worst enemy and I don’t see that changing.