[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
5. Palin hunts, fishes, rides snowmobiles, and is a lifetime member of the NRA.
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that is one hell of a woman. Where do I find one?
Is it bad when I like both VP picks more so than the actual presidential candidates?
I’m hardly a Biden fan but I’ll take him over Obama any day.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Generally agree with your points, but Kerry and Edwards were very arguably both “metrosexual” as well.[/quote]
Absolutely a good point.
Obama, perhaps, simply takes the archetype to its most glorious.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president from the Dems and for vice president from the GOP. Neither one of these people has any business anywhere near the whitehouse. On top of that does anybody think this is the TYPE of woman that most Hillary voters wanted?
What an insult if I were them. Just any old female will do the Mccain campaign must think.
Wadda disaster. [/quote]
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president
LMAO
Brilliant Political move.
McCain and his people (along with everyone else) KNOWS that this stands to be a close race. The best that anyone can do at this point is shore up their base and “bring back” as many disenfranchised Voters as possible. Neither candidate is going to “convert” any large block of voters at this point.
Enter the Evangelicals and Social conservatives.
McCain knew that there was a large block of GOP voters who were less-than-enthused about him as a candidate; and that the “anyone but Obama” sentiment wasn’t going to be enough in what looks to be a very tight race.
Based on reports by conservative pudits, Evangelical leaders were “kissing and hugging” each other with the choice of Palin, and are energized by her choice.
Mission accomplished.
About attacking her.
You can be sure that Obama and Biden (and McCain) know that this will be a losing tactic.
She’s a gun-toting (there are already pics on the news with her holding an M-16 with an attached 203 grenade launcher), fishing, ex-beauty queen working mother with a Down’s child that she chose to have despite knowing the pre-natal diagnosis. She appeals to just the people that were lukewarm to McCain and CERTAINLY were not going to vote for Obama anyway.
Again…Mission Accomplished.
McCain and his people are a lot of things; but stupid ain’t one of 'em!
Mufasa
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Just some things to consider… depending on your view of Palin as pick:
McCain turns 72 today and would be halfway to 73 if elected and sworn in on January 20. That would make him the oldest first-term President ever, two years older than Ronald Reagan. He has survived four skin cancers, including one in 2000 that was classified as Stage IIa.
He’s two years older than his father was when he died suddenly of a heart attack at 70. He is 11 years older than his grandfather was when he died suddenly of a heart attack at age 61.
Also, 22% of Americans over 70 are affected by mild cognitive impairment, while 13% of Americans over 65 have Alzheimer’s. Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s at age 83, but early signs were evident during his first term. Margaret Thatcher developed dementia at age 75.
McCain displays 6 of the 10 warning signs of Alzheimer’s, including his inability to remember recent facts like the number of homes he owns, the $1M lawsuit he filed in 1990, etc.
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McCain displays 6 of the 10 warning signs of Alzheimer’s, including his inability to remember recent facts like the number of homes he owns, the $1M lawsuit he filed in 1990, etc.
Gimme a break. If you were as rich as he was and had a real estate INVESTMENT portfolio that was run by a MANAGER and you were busy running a campaign do you really think you’d know how many homes you had.
I don’t even know exactly how much money I have in the bank becuase my wife handles the money while I’m here in Iraq. A million bucks is nothing to this guy, so do you think he gives a shit a about a lawsuit from 18 years ago? Get off it.
[quote]tedro wrote:
She has a four-month old baby with Down’s Syndrome. How does this affect things?
She could get extra sympathy votes and votes from women for being a working mom with the added adveristy of having a down’s syndrome baby.
I can also see people holding this against her. Being a mom and still holding such a high position may equate to people not believing that she gives her children the attention they deserve.
I’m not judging her either way at this point, I need to know more about the situation. [/quote]
She can also be a nasty bitch and the boys can’t pick on the girls, just like how it is for Hilliary.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Brilliant Political move.
McCain and his people (along with everyone else) KNOWS that this stands to be a close race. The best that anyone can do at this point is shore up their base and “bring back” as many disenfranchised Voters as possible. Neither candidate is going to “convert” any large block of voters at this point.
Enter the Evangelicals and Social conservatives.
McCain knew that there was a large block of GOP voters who were less-than-enthused about him as a candidate; and that the “anyone but Obama” sentiment wasn’t going to be enough in what looks to be a very tight race.
Based on reports by conservative pudits, Evangelical leaders were “kissing and hugging” each other with the choice of Palin, and are energized by her choice.
Mission accomplished.
About attacking her.
You can be sure that Obama and Biden (and McCain) know that this will be a losing tactic.
She’s a gun-toting (there are already pics on the news with her holding an M-16 with an attached 203 grenade launcher), fishing, ex-beauty queen working mother with a Down’s child that she chose to have despite knowing the pre-natal diagnosis.
She appeals to just the people that were lukewarm to McCain and CERTAINLY were not going to vote for Obama anyway.
Again…Mission Accomplished.
McCain and his people are a lot of things; but stupid ain’t one of 'em!
Mufasa[/quote]
Yep, this was one of the best political moves I’ve ever seen.
One thing I will say for Sarah Palin is that she is the real deal. She is without a doubt the least phony, at least appearing, person of anybody who’s been associated with this election cycle on either side. That alone if it can be sustained will go a long way with average voters.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Good pick, but not without its risks.
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The base really likes her.
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Women really like her, including a few that feel scorned by the Democratic nominee.
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The “experience” card is a concern, but has a built in advantage of forcing Obama and Biden to complain about it - which makes them look, well, silly. The GOP can blunt the criticism by noting it is executive experience - Obama can’t blunt the criticism of his lack of experience.
Palin negotiated the largest construction project in North America and sued the federal government in her short tenure. Obama voted “present” while a state legislator and has been running for President during his term as a US Senator.
I think concerns over Palin’s experience are legitimate, but whatever issue is raised about it nags similar or worse concerns about the top of the ticket on the other side.
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Palin played in a championship basketball game with a broken foot. Obama is nursing a daddy-complex psychodrama that he hopes winning the Presidency will cure. Advantage: Palin (though they aren’t running against one another technically, but will be compared to one another).
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Palin hunts, fishes, rides snowmobiles, and is a lifetime member of the NRA. Obama is more into “The View” and is the first metrosexual candidate in history. Advantage: Palin.
A good pick, I think - a bold one.
Another savvy move of note - the day after Obama gave his speech at the DNC, all the air has been let out of that event with the timely announcement of Palin. Smart tactic.[/quote]
All true. This really makes the other guys look silly. He should have announced last night at 7pm, hahaha!
[quote]jawara wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president from the Dems and for vice president from the GOP.
Neither one of these people has any business anywhere near the whitehouse. On top of that does anybody think this is the TYPE of woman that most Hillary voters wanted? What an insult if I were them. Just any old female will do the Mccain campaign must think.
Wadda disaster.
Now we have an affirmative action hire for president
LMAO[/quote]
I don’t know if you’re laughing with me or at me?
By the way, the Dems better find a better “smoking gun” than what they have come up with.
Supposedly Palin was angry at, and then fired, the Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan for not firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin’s sister?
The Dems are going to have to do better than that.
Mufasa
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
<<< 3. The “experience” card is a concern, but has a built in advantage of forcing Obama and Biden to complain about it - which makes them look, well, silly. The GOP can blunt the criticism by noting it is executive experience - Obama can’t blunt the criticism of his lack of experience. >>>[/quote]
This is my biggest problem. Far beyond how it plays out for the purpose of gaining votes. It’s a certainty that Mccain is a one term POTUS and that puts her next in line for the honcho spot next election.
I guess one could argue that 4 years as VP is experience by then, but I don’t know. It’s a dangerous world. Being the commander in chief today is not a job for [quote]“I THINK they’re ready”[/quote] candidates.
One last thing to throw out to you guys:
I think that McCain picked a relatively “attack-proof” Candidate.
- I don’t know much about Wasilla, Alaska, but I would think that there is not a long list of controversial decisions she can be attacked on.
Wasilla Website:
http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=1
- By the same token, she hasn’t been Governor long enough to be very controversial there (except the ex Brother-in-Law thing).
So that leaves “personal” attacks; and there the DEMS with lose BIG time.
In other words, Palin can be attacked; but I think that any attack one her with such “Middle America” appeal is bound to back fire.
Thoughts?
Mufasa
Oh, I forgot!
Was it just me; are did McCain seem “uncomfortable” as Palin spoke today at the acceptance rally?
To me, he seemed to have this “PLEEASE don’t fuck this up!” look on his face!
(Check it out on the news!)
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
One last thing to throw out to you guys:
I think that McCain picked a relatively “attack-proof” Candidate.
- I don’t know much about Wasilla, Alaska, but I would think that there is not a long list of controversial decisions she can be attacked on.
Wasilla Website:
http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=1
- By the same token, she hasn’t been Governor long enough to be very controversial there (except the ex Brother-in-Law thing).
So that leaves “personal” attacks; and there the DEMS with lose BIG time.
In other words, Palin can be attacked; but I think that any attack one her with such “Middle America” appeal is bound to back fire.
Thoughts?
Mufasa[/quote]
Exactly, would you want to pick on a mom who packs a gun? She’s cleaner than Biden or Obama. And what are the feminists going to say, hahaha!
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Oh, I forgot!
Was it just me; are did McCain seem “uncomfortable” as Palin spoke today at the acceptance rally?
To me, he seemed to have this “PLEEASE don’t fuck this up!” look on his face!
(Check it out on the news!)
Mufasa[/quote]
He’s just worried that his hot, younger wife will be pissed by a younger hotter VP, hahaha!
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
McCain and his people (along with everyone else) KNOWS that this stands to be a close race. The best that anyone can do at this point is shore up their base and “bring back” as many disenfranchised Voters as possible. Neither candidate is going to “convert” any large block of voters at this point.
Enter the Evangelicals and Social conservatives.
McCain knew that there was a large block of GOP voters who were less-than-enthused about him as a candidate; and that the “anyone but Obama” sentiment wasn’t going to be enough in what looks to be a very tight race.[/quote]
This is a solid point. Just reading these boards you can see the right wing types warming up to the ticket.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s just worried that his hot, younger wife will be pissed by a younger hotter VP, hahaha!
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Way hotter.
I wonder if Obama would have made it past Super Tuesday if Hillary had half Palin’s hotness.
Did our future VP pick her entry music today? Here’s where I heard it first.
What’s the name of the song?