Mathineer's Log

Hi all. Old guy here - 55. I’ve been reading some of the logs on this forum, and this looks like a good place. It’s good to have folks with a common interest to yak with from time to time.

Background - I’ll try to keep it short!

Started lifting in high school. Had no idea what I was doing, but that’s never stopped me. :slight_smile: I’ve lifted on and off ever since (mostly off until the last few years).

Got interested in martial arts, also in high school. I’ve been involved in that on and off over the years. Currently off. Back then I started running as training for martial arts. I’ve been doing that, on and off too ever since.

In around 1995, got interested in long distance running. Ran my first merrython in '96. Between then and 2006, I completed close to 50 marathons and ultras (50 miles was longest). Due to an old injury, I developed arthritis in my knee and ankle. Had surgery (debridement and no, that’s not divorce!) on the ankle in 2007. Saw an ortho doc about the knee, and within less than 1 minute he was talking knee replacement. Saw a second ortho doc. He said basically the same thing. But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that.” But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that either.” So I started lifting to strengthen the muscles around the knee joint.

Read a bunch of articles on T-Nation and other places. Learned about fish oil. That and strengthening the quads and hams helped quite a bit with the knee pain.

I’ve struggled with the weight over the years. I’ve down below 160 more than once. In early 2008, went on my modified version of the velocity diet. I got down to 150, at about 10% BF, and started to see a hint of abs. Decided to “bulk up” follow the “JFE” advice so prevalent on the Bodybuilding forum. It was a disaster! My calipers were telling me I was gaining muscle, but also a lot of fat. Then last fall, our company got bought out, and things got stupidcrazy at work. I was working nights, and both days on the weekends for months. I lost all focus, and gained about 30 lbs (10 lean/20 fat). I kept lifting throughout that period, but ate a bunch of junk, and drank a bunch of beer.

Things have settled down some at work, and about a month ago, I started dieting again. This time, I’m doing something of a cross between the anabolic diet and a carb cycling diet. My goal is to lose the fat, but keep as much muscle as possible. At the end of the last diet, I estimated my lean body weight at around 130 lbs. Now it’s closer to 140. I’d like to end up at 8% or so BF, with a lean body weight of around 145-150.

I was doing a triple split routine based around Gironda’s 8x8 Honest Workout, but I’ve switched back to a basic total body workout with mainly compound money lifts with very few isolation exercises. I try to lift every other day, so on average I’ll get in 3.5 workouts per week. I’m trying to maintain the muscle I have while losing the fat.

Diet wise, I’m trying to get about 1.5g protein per lb of lean body weight (I use 140). I’m keeping the carbs low (usually less than 30g), and trying to get about 40% Cal from fat. I try to keep the intake below 2000 Cal per day. I allow myself one carb-up day per week, but I try to be moderate with it. Easter was an exception! Weight this morning was less than 175 down from a high of 183 when I started. Prior to the Easter debauchery, I was below 173.

A couple of other factoids:
I’m a peakbagger. I like to get out to Colorado and climb 14ers once or twice each year. I know that carrying extra fat really takes a toll in the mountains. It was hard enough at around 150lbs last year! OTOH, I expect that stronger legs will help with humping up there, and a stronger upper body won’t hurt with the scrambling either.

I’m also a homebrewer. I make a mean porter (Peakbagger Porter, of course!). I love good beer. Problem is, it loves me back, and wants to stick with me in the form of adipose tissue.

Well, that was longer than I hoped. I’ll post my workouts soon.

I thought I recognized the handle. You’re on the other forum where meat, phil and brent post too, aren’t you? Welcome to the Mature Lifters Corner.

[quote]skidmark wrote:
I thought I recognized the handle. You’re on the other forum where meat, phil and brent post too, aren’t you? Welcome to the Mature Lifters Corner.[/quote]

Thank you. Yes, I recognized some of the names from Staley’s site. Great job with those squats!

My numbers are far from impressive. I may be small and weak, but I have lot’s of limitations! The good news is I’m too stupid to quit trying. :slight_smile:

Stupidity as gotten me a loooong way…

Can I cut you? Can I? Huh? Huh?

[quote]skidmark wrote:
Stupidity as gotten me a loooong way…

In around 1995, got interested in long distance running. Ran my first merrython in '96. Between then and 2006, I completed close to 50 marathons and ultras (50 miles was longest). Due to an old injury, I developed arthritis in my knee and ankle. Had surgery (debridement and no, that’s not divorce!) on the ankle in 2007. Saw an ortho doc about the knee, and within less than 1 minute he was talking knee replacement. Saw a second ortho doc. He said basically the same thing. But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that.” But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that either.” So I started lifting to strengthen the muscles around the knee joint.

Can I cut you? Can I? Huh? Huh?[/quote]

… and charge you a whole pile of $. I gots Beamer payments, ya know!

[quote]skidmark wrote:
Stupidity as gotten me a loooong way…

In around 1995, got interested in long distance running. Ran my first merrython in '96. Between then and 2006, I completed close to 50 marathons and ultras (50 miles was longest). Due to an old injury, I developed arthritis in my knee and ankle. Had surgery (debridement and no, that’s not divorce!) on the ankle in 2007. Saw an ortho doc about the knee, and within less than 1 minute he was talking knee replacement. Saw a second ortho doc. He said basically the same thing. But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that.” But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that either.” So I started lifting to strengthen the muscles around the knee joint.

Can I cut you? Can I? Huh? Huh?[/quote]

On the other hand, I work with a guy who is a couple years older than I am, broke his knee in high school, finally got knee replacement a year or so ago and we were talking this last week and he mentioned that the one thing he wished he had done was replaced that knee sooner.

It all depends. Got to find a doc who doesn’t have a car payment to make who can tell you the truth, one way or another.

[quote]mathineer wrote:
In around 1995, got interested in long distance running. Ran my first merrython in '96. Between then and 2006, I completed close to 50 marathons and ultras (50 miles was longest). Due to an old injury, I developed arthritis in my knee and ankle. Had surgery (debridement and no, that’s not divorce!) on the ankle in 2007. Saw an ortho doc about the knee, and within less than 1 minute he was talking knee replacement. Saw a second ortho doc. He said basically the same thing. But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that.” But what about… “You’re not a candidate for that either.” So I started lifting to strengthen the muscles around the knee joint.

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Hey the best thing about strengthening the muscles around the knee is that you win either way. It may make surgery unnecessary and if it does become necessary, the stronger you are the better off you are post-operation.

Welcome to the boards!

We are not getting old, we are aging.

[quote]DamonSmith wrote:
We are not getting old, we are aging.[/quote]

Slowly!

[quote]Elaikases wrote:
On the other hand, I work with a guy who is a couple years older than I am, broke his knee in high school, finally got knee replacement a year or so ago and we were talking this last week and he mentioned that the one thing he wished he had done was replaced that knee sooner.

It all depends. Got to find a doc who doesn’t have a car payment to make who can tell you the truth, one way or another.

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I think the second doc I saw is pretty good. (As far as that goes, the first guy also has a good reputation.) He agreed with me that I should put it off as long as I can. However, according to him, knee replacement is the only option when I get to that point.

Problems with knee replacement are:

  1. No running
  2. No lifting over 40 lbs.

I just wish that the ortho docs knew about fish oil. None of them even mentioned it.

[quote]soldog wrote:
Hey the best thing about strengthening the muscles around the knee is that you win either way. It may make surgery unnecessary and if it does become necessary, the stronger you are the better off you are post-operation.

Welcome to the boards![/quote]

Thanks!

So far, I’ve made it about 1 year. Problem is, they removed the medial meniscus after the original injury back when I was 19. In the intervening years, the cartilage has worn away. According to the doc, I’m “bone on bone”.

Just one more reason to get this fat off!!!

[quote]mathineer wrote:
Problem is, they removed the medial meniscus after the original injury back when I was 19.[/quote]

Hmmmmm, this may be one for Dr. Powerclean, the resident shrink.

Do you often yell out in your sleep, “I WANT MY MEDIAL MENISCUS BACK!!” ?

Glad to have another in the pack!

[quote]mathineer wrote:
Problem is, they removed the medial meniscus after the original injury back when I was 19.[/quote]

Hmmmmm, this may be one for Dr. Powerclean, the resident shrink.

Do you often yell out in your sleep, “I WANT MY MEDIAL MENISCUS BACK!!” ?

Glad to have another in the pack!

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
mathineer wrote:
Problem is, they removed the medial meniscus after the original injury back when I was 19.

Hmmmmm, this may be one for Dr. Powerclean, the resident shrink.

Do you often yell out in your sleep, “I WANT MY MEDIAL MENISCUS BACK!!” ?

Glad to have another in the pack!
[/quote]

Hell, I yell that out when I’m AWAKE!

Here was yesterday’s workout.

Tuesday 4/14 Routine 3
A1 Front Raise/ 2x20#/ 5x5-6 Tot 28
A2 Lateral Raise/ 2x20#/ 5x5-6 Tot 28
A3 Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press/ 2x35#/ 5x5-6 Tot 28 30sec rest
B1 BB Incline Press/ 150#/ 5x5-6 Tot 27
B2 Pullup/ 0#/ 5x5-6 Tot 27 30sec rest
C1 DB Squats/ 2x60#/ 8x8
C2 DB Straight Leg Deadlift/ 2x60#/ 8x8 30-45sec rest
D1 Hammer Curls/ 2x35#/ 4x5
D2 Bench Dips/ 0#/ 4x8

I did the DB Squats/SLDL pairing with the 8x8 format. I wore my HR monitor, and rested until my HR got down to below 150bpm. This only took 30 sec early on, but by the last few sets it was closer to 45sec. The whole thing only lasted a little over 10 minutes. Great conditioning!

Today, I hiked ~4 hilly miles in the nearby park. Beautiful day!

Then 4 rounds of
10 stepups (12" box) (bodyweight) each leg
5 DB burpee/pushup/snatch (on 12" box)
10 Ab Rolls
15 bodyweight squats

I can’t go to the ground without really rounding my lower back on the burpees, so for now I’m doing them on the box. Any suggestions for improving hip mobility? Still, this really gets me huffing, so good enuff for now.

Welcome to the crew, mathineer. This is the place to be for excellent advice, great camraderie and support, and that oft-required kick in the pants.

[quote]sfp wrote:
Welcome to the crew, mathineer. This is the place to be for excellent advice, great camraderie and support, and that oft-required kick in the pants.[/quote]

Thanks!

As for the advice,

  1. I want my medial meniscus back. How do I get it?
  2. I wanna see my abs before I die!

But seriously, I definitely welcome advice.

I’ve repeatedly made the mistake of too much volume for too long (and also too much intensity for too long too). I’d run a program for a while, such as EDT or the 8x8, then I’d start to develop nagging overuse injuries (sore shoulder, sore, achilles tendon, sore this, sore that). Also, although I loved the 8x8, 3 day split program I was doing, I wasn’t really making any gains to speak of. I did a lot of reading on the Iron Addict site, and now I’ve convinced myself that I need to back off on volume, and push the intensity for a while.

BUT, I also think I need to back off on the intensity every 3rd to 5th week to keep from injuring myself yet again. Anyway, that’s the thinking behind switching back to a TBT style workout.

Comments welcome.

BTW, I workout at home. I’ll take a pic of my setup one of these days. I wish I had a power cage. I’ll get one eventually. Then I can do curls! But seriously, I’m pretty sure I could squat and bench more than I do, and/or squeeze out another rep or two, but as it is I don’t want to find myself with 200+ pounds on my chest or back that I can’t get back up.

Soldog uses his bench uprights and some sawhorses for a squat rack. He’s gone from 135 box squat to 225x3 with that setup.

You are right about backing off the intensity every 3-5th week. In fact, varying the intensity in waves seems to work very well plus taking a deload week. Or at least a couple of deload sessions…

A few of the guys here are using Wendler’s 5/3/1 which does just all that and has enough variety in assistance exercises to keep it interesting.

Maraudermeat, from Staley Training Systems, is also doing programming for some of the big dog lifters in the forum, if you didn’t already know that.

Here’s today’s workout. I took some videos of each of the exercises. Wow, that was illuminating!

I uploaded a couple of pics of my workout area in the “man cave”, as well as some videos of today’s workout.

Squats: That’s as low as the knee will let me go. It seems lower when I’m doing them!

Bench: I forgot to mention the arthritis in the elbow (result of a spiral fracture sustained while arm wrestling). The bone spurs limit the ROM, and I can’t get all the way down to the chest.

T-Bar: I’m a lot more upright on the heavy rows than I thought.

Shrugs: Looks like I’m rowing more than shrugging.

A1 Back Squat/ 190 lbs/ 5x5 ~45sec rest
B1 1 leg calf raise/ 60#/ 5x8
B2 Romanian Deadlift/ 190#/ 5x5 30sec rest
C1 Flat Bench press/ 170#/ 5x5
C2 T-Bar Row/ 180#/ 5x5 30sec rest
D1 Dumbbell Shoulder Press/ 2x45#/ 5x6
D2 Dumbbell Shrugs/ 2x81#/ 5x8 30sec rest

[quote]mathineer wrote:
BTW, I workout at home. I’ll take a pic of my setup one of these days. I wish I had a power cage. I’ll get one eventually. Then I can do curls! But seriously, I’m pretty sure I could squat and bench more than I do, and/or squeeze out another rep or two, but as it is I don’t want to find myself with 200+ pounds on my chest or back that I can’t get back up.[/quote]

Skidmark is right - I also train at home and use sawhorses as my safety stops for squatting. Never had to dump the bar on them but I’m sure they could handle the weight. From your video, you have a better rack to take the weight from than I do. Mine is seeming really flimsy and I don’t really want to load much more on it as a squat rack.

Take a look at the videos in my log and you’ll get an idea of the sawhorse setup.