[quote]In10s wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Rippetoe looks like and over sized coyote turd.[/quote]
As a 56-year old who’s been coaching people since you and I were in diapers, has the respect of the overwhelming majority of his peers (professionals, not armchair trainers), and still has a 500 deadlift, I’m sure he’s heart-broken that you don’t find him aesthetic enough.
You’re saying this based on your experience as a coach, your experience trying the program for a few months, or your experience as mountain biker/rock climber with a few years of lifting under your belt?
Way to sound cool in front of the big guys. It probably worked.[/quote]
The starting strength debate has been rehashed over and over again. At this point, there is really nothing to debate. Defending SS in the body building forum is pointless. The only credit I would give rip is for staying strong and doing a good job selling his product.
I find it interesting that you feel the need to defend another coach with a sub par physique. Practicing what you preach goes along way to validate your product or service. I would much rather read an article by Nate Myaki or Clay Height than a has been powerlifter with a 50 inch waist.
As the saying goes- “Form dictates function.”
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I think for 50 Rip looks pretty decent, and 500 @ 50 is still deadlifting.
See back not that long ago, in the year 2000 if not even more recently, it was a challenge to find NON-bodybuilding training facts.
Westside book of methods wasn’t out, and the Russian stuff wasn’t translated,and if it was no bookstores had it, and allow me to assure you I SCOURED for literature, I didn’t even know PL uSA existed let alone where I would get it.
But my bookstore, remember bookstores? Had VOLUMES of Weider; VOLUMES, all Arnolds books all that other swill from the magazines, that is ALL you could find, but they had a thousand books all that might has well been written by the same guy, and they all said we should lift like professional BB’s have determined most efficient, never mind they aren’t any different than you, and wouldn’t dream of drugs.
If you didn’t play on a football team a strength coach wasn’t going to help you.
ALL you could find was Weider principles, that’s it.
You’d ask your buddies how do you lift?
And they’d tell you 3-5 sets 8-12 reps body part or push pull maybe some drop sets or rest pause.
Weight lifting college classes 3-5 sets 8-12 reps body part or push pull drop sets or rest pause.
Now lets say you did that for years, and you attained your size and strength plateaus, and you’re a smart, studious, knowledgeable person who can just FEEL you aren’t doing something right, and you have no interest in banana hammocks and men staring at you in said hammock, and you’d like to put off the vitamin-T until you’re dick needs it, which hopefully will still be some years God willing.
The knowledge of you’re body that tells you that you can do more is correct, and when you learn that you are pissed you didn’t learn it sooner, you are pissed that you KNEW it and SEARCHED and couldn’t find it.
I could find a myriad of porn or any illegal drug or any weapon, a billion cat pictures, but real STRENGTH training literature was hard to find, and extremely dense if you did find it, or Russian.
There are a myriad of techniques to program past plateaus.
So if you were like me and I know this experience has been had by many, there is definitely some anger there, (I feel absolutely justified), at being propagandized for so long by the machine that I knew was lying to me and I could do nothing but take it.
But, it’s all better now all the info is a click away, shit even the Russian stuff is translated, condensed and free.
And I am much happier, though to be fair that may be the divorce.
BTW I’ve never done Starting Strength or read it but I know the principles and in my experience and opinion they are light years ahead of the Weider pap for non-cyclist beginners.
