One more.
Lesnar would ruin him, too big of a difference in skill and there size is similar enough to not be a factor.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Lesnar would ruin him, too big of a difference in skill and there size is similar enough to not be a factor.[/quote]
Im not disagreeing with you but I dont think lesnar would be able to hold Pudz down or just lay on top of him Like lesnar likes to do.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Lesnar would ruin him, too big of a difference in skill and there size is similar enough to not be a factor.[/quote]
Im not disagreeing with you but I dont think lesnar would be able to hold Pudz down or just lay on top of him Like lesnar likes to do.
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there is a lot of skill in the way Lesnar holds people down (coupled with his size)
Wow Ben_VFR85. You took that gorilla thing pretty seriously. The point is gorillas are overwhelmingly stronger than we are, and Mariusz Pudzianowski is overwhelmingly stronger than the rest of us, including,OMG yes even the mighty Brock Lesnar.
The question I pose for consideration is “where does fighting skill cease to matter?” because obviously at some point it does. I suggest that if you want to make a reasonable argument (you started to then had to get all personal) stick to the reality of the situation. Mariusz will probably lose a lot of weight and strength along with it.
To maintain the kind of strength performance level Mariusz enjoys demands constant daily focus. Training for a fight will ruin that. And no juice? How much of The Worlds Strongest Man will we get? 90% 80%? And how much of that strength will he really get to use in a fair fight? C’mon Ben_VFR85…this is fun, imaginative speculation.
I admit Mariusz could get his ass handed to him. Just give the guy a little credit, he pulls trains and flips over cars, it couldn’t be that easy to kick his ass.
It depends on the rules of a fight.
If it was pure boxing, i think Pudz would lose.
In MMA, the tables are still kind of against him, but less so.
If he could choke you and slam you around, i think he’d have a better chance.
Holy balls! This is actually happening? For some reason I thought this was all hypothetical.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]A_l3x wrote:
^^ heres a few
Emelianenko Fedor vs Hong-Man Choi
BROCK LESNAR V FRANK MIR
Mirko Cro Cop vs Bob Sapp
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That’s good. I don’t follow this sport closely but I’m familiar with the examples you posted. You can post more if you’d like.
The guy who fought Fedor was clumsy. You can tell just by the way he moved. He probably has acromegaly or something of that nature, and obviously isn’t the best example of this trend. People who are clumsy can’t harness their own strength and power correctly.
In Lesnar vs. Mir, which I did watch in its entirety, Lesnar completely dominated the fight until Mir managed to pull off the lucky submission. Here’s the scoop on submissions: If you have to rely on them to save your ass, you are going to get raped more often than not. The vast majority of submission attempts fail (that’s a statistical fact, not my opinion). Submission is the most over-rated aspect of any fighter’s ability. It is basically completely unnecessary and that’s why most guys who specialize in it are smaller. Only the little guys love to pull all the bullshit karate moves. That stuff practically never works the way it’s supposed to in a real fight, it only works in practice. Lesnar basically won that fight, in my opinion. Another minute or two and Mir would have been knocked out. He got very lucky.
Bob Sapp is a huge and ferocious negro, but he has a fairly weak chin. Like many of his tribe, he comes out aggressively but goes downhill fast once his opponents start landing a few hits on him. Cro Cop is very agile, swift, and quite strong for his size, so he was able to keep up with Bob. I attribute his victory to physical prowess, not technical ability.
But speaking of Sapp, didn’t he nearly kill some experienced Pride fighters? I don’t even know what the nicknames stand for, but someone said he gave Nog (Nogeira) a good pounding.
As I said, a weak chin will take anyone down, no matter how big they are. But a big man with a decent chin has the advantage in any fight, regardless of how technically proficient his opponent is.
I watch the fights and I see the expressions on their faces. I see how they come out looking as hard as bulldogs and then by the end of the fight, either one or both of them turn into puppies. I’ve seen it time and again. You are promoting a piece of mythology that makes fighting seem a lot more complex than it is. 98% of fighting comes down to physics and attitude. Attitude is something that people are born with. You don’t develop it in training. But naturally, “professionals” and the organizations who sponsor them always have a vested interest in making things look harder than they seem.
It’s true with doctors, lawyers, accountants, and yes, brawlers, too.
"It doesnt matter how much you can bench if you don’t know how to escape from side control. "
Lol, I’m sorry, but “side control” is a joke. It’s largely an invented concept, much like all that “ground guard” bullshit. Some asshole got knocked onto his back in training one day and put his legs around his opponent, and presto! The “guard” was born. Because nobody had ever done that before in a fight.
For this reason, I love listening to the commentary on UFC. These guy know all the terms, and they’re paid to endorse these phoney concepts of technical proficiency. Whenever Joe Rogan yells, “Oh no, It’s looking pretty for [insert fighter], he’s in an arm bar!” I know that 8 out of 10 times, the guy who is “trapped” is going to break free in about 3 seconds. I keep an informal count of this in my head. It’s funny to see how wrong they are with their predictions.
Don’t you people get it? It’s all marketing. There is no such thing as “side control”. There is no such thing as a “guard”. All there is is fists in your face.[/quote]
Wow dude you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You should stop speaking out of our ass because your just making yourself seem stupid. Before you start commenting on subjects, maybe you should get a clue and actually practice a bit of MMA. Then you would know that jiu-jitsu is now a cornerstone of any MMA practitioners and its not because of luck contrary to your beliefs.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Lol, I’m sorry, but “side control” is a joke. It’s largely an invented concept, much like all that “ground guard” bullshit. Some asshole got knocked onto his back in training one day and put his legs around his opponent, and presto! The “guard” was born. Because nobody had ever done that before in a fight.
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This post makes me sad
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
It depends on the rules of a fight.
If it was pure boxing, i think Pudz would lose.
In MMA, the tables are still kind of against him, but less so.
If he could choke you and slam you around, i think he’d have a better chance.
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He has a bit of a boxing background (heard he was pretty skilled also back in the day, was going to pursue that but took up WSM training instead) So I think he could hold his own.
LOL Do you even watch much MMA? You’ll see some judo/greco grappling, with body slams. Plus so many different kinds of chokes, triangle, guillotine etc etc…
Lets face it if you have an athlete of Mariusz’s caliber. All he needs is to work on his skills training like a mad man and he’ll be a huge threat.
[quote]Mike795 wrote:
Wow Ben_VFR85. You took that gorilla thing pretty seriously. The point is gorillas are overwhelmingly stronger than we are, and Mariusz Pudzianowski is overwhelmingly stronger than the rest of us, including,OMG yes even the mighty Brock Lesnar.
The question I pose for consideration is “where does fighting skill cease to matter?” because obviously at some point it does. I suggest that if you want to make a reasonable argument (you started to then had to get all personal) stick to the reality of the situation. Mariusz will probably lose a lot of weight and strength along with it.
To maintain the kind of strength performance level Mariusz enjoys demands constant daily focus. Training for a fight will ruin that. And no juice? How much of The Worlds Strongest Man will we get? 90% 80%? And how much of that strength will he really get to use in a fair fight? C’mon Ben_VFR85…this is fun, imaginative speculation.
I admit Mariusz could get his ass handed to him. Just give the guy a little credit, he pulls trains and flips over cars, it couldn’t be that easy to kick his ass.[/quote]
Sorry - I’ll try and use my imagination a lot more when I’m trying to inform you strength means shit without application if that is what this is all about?
I can deadlift 60000 pounds with a perfectly straight bar that’s up to my knees. Can I deadlift that much if that bar is 5 inches lower and curves upwards? No. Because the application - the position of everything involved in the movement - isn’t efficient. It’s not stable. It’s just awkward and not natural. See the point I’m trying to drive home here about application of strength? I hope so cause you asked for more fun imagination.
I know someone who used to do strongman. Not top level - but he was bloody strong… 480 bench for reps, 600lbs squat, 550 deadlift… think he was around 240lbs at a guess. He boxed this cocky young guy at the gym one time and got KO’d. The guy was about 150lbs. 240lbs’er was about 30, this young kid was 19 aparently.
Your logic is wrong, sorry.
P.S For the record - the kid that KO’d him never did any weights except bicep curls a few times in his life.
Decent vid of his opponent.
Here’s the weigh in
It could be streaming here not promising anything though.
Here’s a working stream fellas, should start soon:
http://www.justin.tv/komtv4
[quote]SickDevildog wrote:
Here’s a working stream fellas, should start soon:
http://www.justin.tv/komtv4[/quote]
Thanks 
Have they fought yet?
http://www.justin.tv/clip/47139b821939ae1f
That was fast.
Ahahahaha
I think a lot of people who have never seen WSM or anything are surprised at just how quick a guy that large can be.
I’m hoping this becomes a regular thing for him.
exactly how i thought it would happen haha what a beast