[quote]Stronghold wrote:
even though elite level powerlifters may be stronger, they lack the conditioning and endurance to succeed at strongman.[/quote]
Heh. That’s putting it mildly.
I seem to recall watching a WSM event that had Mariusz wrestling with someone…Zavickas, I think. Or one of the Scandinavians. Anyone know what I’m talking about? Would like to find a video on youtube.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:that’s 1% of the game. You have to focus on the other 99% if you want to survive.
Submission attempts have a piss-poor record of success. No need to analyze it further than that.[/quote]
Looking at someone more contemporary, GSP has 7 wins directly attributed to striking. He also has 5 wins due to submissions.
On related news Oli Thompson Britain’s Strongest man from 2006 and WSM competitor IS making his MMA debut this month.
Pulls close to 900 and over 400lb overhead. There is some video of him at a grappling tournament on youtube from a few months back as well.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
even though elite level powerlifters may be stronger, they lack the conditioning and endurance to succeed at strongman.
Heh. That’s putting it mildly.
I seem to recall watching a WSM event that had Mariusz wrestling with someone…Zavickas, I think. Or one of the Scandinavians. Anyone know what I’m talking about? Would like to find a video on youtube.
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It was probably the quailfer for 2004 against Vasyl Virystuk from the Ukraine. If I remember right Vasyl took 2 out 3.
Vasyl also won WSM that year and Pudz took 3rd
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
even though elite level powerlifters may be stronger, they lack the conditioning and endurance to succeed at strongman.
Heh. That’s putting it mildly.
I seem to recall watching a WSM event that had Mariusz wrestling with someone…Zavickas, I think. Or one of the Scandinavians. Anyone know what I’m talking about? Would like to find a video on youtube.
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It was probably the quailfer for 2004 against Vasyl Virystuk from the Ukraine. If I remember right Vasyl took 2 out 3.
Vasyl also won WSM that year and Pudz took 3rd
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
“THATS WHY MORE MMA FIGHT ARE WON BY SUBMISSIONS THAN (FACT, NOT MY OPINION), YOU WONT FIND A HIGH LEVEL OR LOW LEVEL MMA FIGHTRE WHO HASNT A GROUND GAME”
Since when is “ground game” equivalent to judo submission bs?
Ground game is just wrestling with a good bit of striking thrown in (albeit non-technical striking). Yeah, plenty of fighters tap out on the ground. But the majority do it not because of a sub, but because they got their brains bashed in with fists and knees.
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This shows how little you know, who the fuck is talking about Judo? “Ground Game” is Jiu-Jitsu. I will say it again, the majority of MMA fights are won by submissions (Arm locks/Leg locks or chokes) FACT and submissions are skill based.
Just admitt your wrong on this one.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
A_l3x wrote:
Gregus wrote:
But to counter that argument, you can say that no matter how much time you spend in the gym, no matter how hungry you are, you will never be like Schwarzenegger or even close. Why? Genetics.
I believe genetics are everything. Even the genetics that make up your psychology will dictate how easy it will be to motivate yourself to do something.
Genetics is a new word for natural talent. Without talent for a certain discipline you will not suceed no matter how hard you work at it.
Try to take a tone deaf person and make them into a musician. You can’t.
Take a natural poet and make them into a physicist, you can’t.
Take a big hipped girl and make her into a sprinter. She’ll run, but no where near the capabilities of a woman with an athletic frame.
Anyone can improve in a certain discipline, but those who take it to the top are naturally talented to begin with.
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But arnt we all here fighting our genetic to be different?
Ectos trying to get bigger etc… I do agree with you to a point i just think if your really believe genetics control your life why bother? with that frame of mind you wont succeed in life.
Pudz is bad ass and as far as stongmen go he is well conditioned. But a fighters conditioning is on a whole different level. While his strength would be an asset (see lesnar) I would put money he wouldnt be able to go 3-5’s with some of the better mma light heavies.
The thai’s have a saying a less technical fighter will always beat a superior fighter if he is better CONDITIONED. Not stronger. Look at Mir he is a prime example of how conditioning and confidence in conditioning make a big difference in performance.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Combat sports hasnt had to deal with this guy yet I take it.
Back on topic though…
IF Pudz has some degree of skill when it comes to fighting, he will be a force to be reckoned with. Whoever it was that said he needs metabolic conditioning has obviously never had any first hand experience with strongman.
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I think you talking about me tho i never said he hasnt got good conditioning I just said WSM isnt the same as MMA.
[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:that’s 1% of the game. You have to focus on the other 99% if you want to survive.
Submission attempts have a piss-poor record of success. No need to analyze it further than that.
Ronsauce wrote: Bas Rutten, hardly a little guy, has more wins via submission than by knockout. You were saying?
Looking at someone more contemporary, GSP has 7 wins directly attributed to striking. He also has 5 wins due to submissions.[/quote]
Alistair Overeem 26 wins 17 from subs
Fedor Emelianenko 19 wins 11 from subs
Mark Coleman 15 wins 12 from subs
[quote]A_l3x wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Combat sports hasnt had to deal with this guy yet I take it.
Back on topic though…
IF Pudz has some degree of skill when it comes to fighting, he will be a force to be reckoned with. Whoever it was that said he needs metabolic conditioning has obviously never had any first hand experience with strongman.
I think you talking about me tho i never said he hasnt got good conditioning I just said WSM isnt the same as MMA.
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Have you watched Pudz in some of the WSM competitions? He never gets tired. A normal individual succeeding in WSM would have a great deal of trouble making the transition to MMA due to the conditioning requirements, but Pudz is a freak, plain and simple. I honestly believe the only caveat to his success (notice I didnt say COMPLETE AND UTTER DOMINATION) is whether or not he has the technical game with which to best apply his strength and conditioning.
Pud is the last man in the world I would want to fight.
You could hit him with a crowbar and it would just make him angry.
I can easily tell that almost no one here has been punched in the face by a ridiculously strong man. If someone like Mariusz would slug you full force, you won’t be getting up for a while. It’s just the truth.
Saying that most decent fighters will beat him is just plain retarded.
But this entire thread is based on speculation. We can’t tell except if Mariusz would get in the octagon and started killing these wannabe great fighters.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
A_l3x wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Have you watched Pudz in some of the WSM competitions? He never gets tired. A normal individual succeeding in WSM would have a great deal of trouble making the transition to MMA due to the conditioning requirements, but Pudz is a freak, plain and simple. I honestly believe the only caveat to his success (notice I didnt say COMPLETE AND UTTER DOMINATION) is whether or not he has the technical game with which to best apply his strength and conditioning.[/quote]
Yeah i have seen him and yeah he is epic not sure why i even said about his conditioning, orig statement i said “athletic” meaning flexibility etc (not really sure how i got onto conditioning) but that doesnt really come into it at heavy weight so…and i agree his skill is the only factor that goes against him.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
A 6 year old in kindergarten? You’re right, you were different from the other kids…apparently you are developmentally challeged, rode the short bus to school, and wore a helmet.[/quote]
There’s quite a lot of 6 year old kids in kindergarten, maybe your state had different age/birthday cutoff dates. Carry on being intellectually superior.
We’re knee deep in stupidity in this thread.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
If he goes into MMA, everyone better quit. Lesnar’s strong and Sapp is big, but Mariusz is on a whole other level. He’s been WSM for 5 fucking years…
i always root for the big guys but size and strength dont help in a technical fight, Royce Gracie proved that way back when.
A man his size and strength that knows how to strike is a dangerous, dangerous man.
Exactly, IMO even the most experienced fighter should consider a man with the size and strength of mariusz a threat not to be taken lightly. The damage potential behind that kind of strength must be unimaginable.[/quote]
Very true. He could be great, middle of the pack, or whatever his first time out, IF he chooses to go for it. I’m not making any predictions about that. All I know is, it only takes one mistake to let an angry beast get hold of you. Then you’re in trouble, technique or not.
If you thought Kevin Randleman slams were bad, wait til Mariusz gets you in the air. Holeee Shit. I shudder to think of the carnage that would ensue. But damn if I wouldn’t watch it!
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Pud is the last man in the world I would want to fight.
You could hit him with a crowbar and it would just make him angry.[/quote]
lol. Shit, He’s maybe the only person that has the real brute power to actually make some of those WWE moves become reality. That scares me. 
“Boys, you don’t want to shoot me. You know me. You know what I’ll do to you if you do.”
To say Mariusz would absolutely dominate the MMA is dangerously naive at best. Its also a spit in the faces of Fedor,Crocop,Sergei,and Igor and other fighters who dedicated their lives to MMA and practiced their respective sports since the beginning. How about this,what if I said since Fedor is considered the best fighter in the world and since he dominated the combat world he would have no trouble dominating the WSM competition?