Mariusz Pudzianowski MMA

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
I’d love to know how a 500lbs bench is “top ten percent average in the gym stuff”.[/quote]

Well, let me see. I guess I’ve known quite a few people that can bench 500lbs! Mariusz’ best bench (so I’ve read) is like 600lbs. Still not that big a deal. You’re the one that wanted to talk about application of strength. The WSM is’nt a weightlifting competition. It is an athletic competition where strength, speed, coorination and determination come into play. That’s precisely why I think it applies here. I am guessing that Mariusz can’t squat 1000lbs. Although there are people that can. Very strong guys that I am willing to bet would get their asses kicked by a champion fighter. It’s not about numbers. It is as you said, about application, and Mariusz can apply the f*** out of it.

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Its very possible, I knew a strongman competitor, I SUPPOSE he weighed 400 pounds give or take, that got KOed by a newborn baby, about 6 pounds I SUPPOSE as he tried in vain to cut the umbilical cord - the strongman was also a doctor, he has I SUPPOSE an MD or something. It was brutal to watch. and quel honte, quel honte.

And the baby doesn’t even train all that much…just a few bottle curls and nipple sucks.

In other news, here’s the GIF of the fight, courtesy sherdog

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

[quote]Mike795 wrote:
Wow Ben_VFR85. You took that gorilla thing pretty seriously. The point is gorillas are overwhelmingly stronger than we are, and Mariusz Pudzianowski is overwhelmingly stronger than the rest of us, including,OMG yes even the mighty Brock Lesnar.

The question I pose for consideration is “where does fighting skill cease to matter?” because obviously at some point it does. I suggest that if you want to make a reasonable argument (you started to then had to get all personal) stick to the reality of the situation. Mariusz will probably lose a lot of weight and strength along with it.

To maintain the kind of strength performance level Mariusz enjoys demands constant daily focus. Training for a fight will ruin that. And no juice? How much of The Worlds Strongest Man will we get? 90% 80%? And how much of that strength will he really get to use in a fair fight? C’mon Ben_VFR85…this is fun, imaginative speculation.

I admit Mariusz could get his ass handed to him. Just give the guy a little credit, he pulls trains and flips over cars, it couldn’t be that easy to kick his ass.[/quote]

Sorry - I’ll try and use my imagination a lot more when I’m trying to inform you strength means shit without application if that is what this is all about?

I can deadlift 60000 pounds with a perfectly straight bar that’s up to my knees. Can I deadlift that much if that bar is 5 inches lower and curves upwards? No. Because the application - the position of everything involved in the movement - isn’t efficient. It’s not stable. It’s just awkward and not natural. See the point I’m trying to drive home here about application of strength? I hope so cause you asked for more fun imagination.

I know someone who used to do strongman. Not top level - but he was bloody strong… 480 bench for reps, 600lbs squat, 550 deadlift… think he was around 240lbs at a guess. He boxed this cocky young guy at the gym one time and got KO’d. The guy was about 150lbs. 240lbs’er was about 30, this young kid was 19 aparently.

Your logic is wrong, sorry.

P.S For the record - the kid that KO’d him never did any weights except bicep curls a few times in his life.[/quote]

Yeah, because Strongman doesn’t extensively utilize oddly shaped implements and awkward positions/grips/etc.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
It’s nice to have a fantasy where you can imagine yourself beating up people much bigger and stronger than you.[/quote]

It’s nice to have the internet where you can imagine yourself being smarter and more intelligent than you really are.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
It’s nice to have a fantasy where you can imagine yourself beating up people much bigger and stronger than you.[/quote]

It’s nice to have the internet where you can imagine yourself being smarter and more intelligent than you really are.[/quote]

That’s a false analogy. It’s entirely possible to prove one’s intellectual superiority over others by arguing with them over the internet.

In fact, internet discussions are probably the best means of accomplishing this. People just don’t debate issues in real life the way they do on internet forums.

When people converse in real life, approximately 90% of their discourse consists of pure bullshit and mutual backrubbing. The beauty of communicating over an anonymous medium is that it allows people to skip over the crap that goes on in everyday conversations.

The golden rule is as follows: Would anyone outside your circle of friends/neighborhood/town/city/country care a whit about your discussion? Will anything you’ve said be remembered in 5 minutes/hours/days/months/years or centuries?

If you answer no to all of the above, then you may officially be considered human waste. You are just a worthless breather who contributes nothing and whose journey into the ground should be expedited.

What makes the internet so wonderful is the way you just insulted me freely, which never would have occured if this discussion were taking place in the real world.

By the way, it may not be politically correct to point out, but people whose intelligence far exceeds the norm are no less aware of their talent than pro athletes. As sports stars recognize their own athletic gifts, so do very intelligent people recognize how smart they are. Most become aware of it during childhood.

I therefore refuse to hide my natural gift of superior intellect, as a tall man should not pretend that he is short in order to better fit in amongst others.

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I agree that strength does not necessarily translate well into fighting ability.
Case in point, that match.
Pudz won because najman was a ridiculously incompetent fighter.
Didn’t even try to get up when he fell down.

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[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
I’d love to know how a 500lbs bench is “top ten percent average in the gym stuff”.[/quote]

Well, let me see. I guess I’ve known quite a few people that can bench 500lbs! Mariusz’ best bench (so I’ve read) is like 600lbs. Still not that big a deal.[/quote]

Really? Raw?

Because if a 600lb raw bench is not a big deal, I’m guessing most of the people you know are allergic to kryptonite.

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so much bullshit on this thread its out of this world. yeah size and strength is the most important thing in fighting. christ. why dont they just forget practicing at all and just lift weights? instead of being a jujitsu champ, or a wrestler, you could just be a bench press expert or bicep curl master. by your logic Ronnie Coleman is probably the toughest guy on the planet.

anyway, he didnt look like someone who has years of boxing experience and a black belt in karate. still, got the job done.

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Okay,I know it’s stupid to be comparing him to contracted UFC fighters at this early stage,BUT:

I reckon Brock would’ve been able to handle those leg kicks,but could you imagine Frank Mir being able to combat something that powerful and fucking huge coming at him that fucking quickly?

I was surprised how easily he won this,cannot wait to see him fight 3 or 4 more times,and after that I reckon UFC is calling.

I would pay 50 euro to WATCH him and Brock,not even attend the event.

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Does everyone here understand Mariuz fighting background? Everyone seems to be looking at him as though he’s just a big strong guy, and when he fights fighters, their skill will beat his strength.

Mariuz began training in Kyokushin Karate around 6 years old or something. He ended up becoming a full contact Kyokushin champion for a while. Before he got into Strong man, he was an amateur boxer. He almost went pro, but decided to switch to Strong man competition instead of boxing professionally.

Mariuz was also on a polish version of Dancing With the Stars, where he came in either 1st or 2nd I don’t remember.

Case in point-I think many will be amazed at his stand up game. He’s not just a strong guy who is getting into fighting. He was a fighter who got into strong man, and wants back into fighting. Given the fact that he wins EVERYTHING he does, even dance competitions, shows his iron will to succeed. That alone can be a trump card in winning. Many times, fights are won by who wants to win it more.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
so much bullshit on this thread its out of this world. yeah size and strength is the most important thing in fighting. christ. why dont they just forget practicing at all and just lift weights? instead of being a jujitsu champ, or a wrestler, you could just be a bench press expert or bicep curl master. by your logic Ronnie Coleman is probably the toughest guy on the planet.

anyway, he didnt look like someone who has years of boxing experience and a black belt in karate. still, got the job done.[/quote]

I guess that’s what happens when you jump into the middle of a conversation. You did help make my point about strength though. Because absolutely nothing against Ronnie Coleman, love Ronnie, awesome competitor and super strong guy by virtually anybody’s standards but thats not MY logic. If that were my logic Ronnie would make a great (American) Football or Rugby player too. I have no idea what Ronnies athletic abilities are but I am willing to bet Ronnie wouldn’t (not couldn’t) make a blip on the WSM radar. I already admitted 99.9% of the time strength isn’t going to make all the difference. But MP is an extremely elite strength athlete. He is not just some really strong guy that can bench a lot. Let me ask you this: What other natural ability can you double or even triple beyond what nature gave you? Imagine if you could make yourself 3 times faster than most other humans on the planet. You don’t think that would give you an unfair fighting advantage? Sure you can improve your speed or coordination or accuracy but triple it? Mariusz is probably more than 3 times stronger than he would have been if he’d never trained for strength. I dont think strength ever really mattered that much in MMA before. Mariusz is the pinpoint example of human capability though and I think it matters now.

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[quote]smokotime wrote:

[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
I’d love to know how a 500lbs bench is “top ten percent average in the gym stuff”.[/quote]

Well, let me see. I guess I’ve known quite a few people that can bench 500lbs! Mariusz’ best bench (so I’ve read) is like 600lbs. Still not that big a deal.[/quote]

Really? Raw?

Because if a 600lb raw bench is not a big deal, I’m guessing most of the people you know are allergic to kryptonite. [/quote]

Really? Raw? How old are you? No I don’t personally know anybody with a 600lb bench but considering the world record is around 1000 and people routinely bench in the 8’s and 9’s around the world I didn’t think 600 was all that big a deal for our purposes here.

I hadn’t really thought much about it but I live in the southwestern U.S. L.A. Phoenix, Vegas. There are a lot of big strong guys around here. In every decent gym I’ve been in there are 10 or 20 guys with 300+ benches. 1 or 2 can usually bench (500). Thats “about” 10%. I’ve been to local bench pressing competitions where I’ve seen 600+ go up. If you think I’m lying about these numbers maybe you should get out more. They’re not that impressive.

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[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]smokotime wrote:

[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
I’d love to know how a 500lbs bench is “top ten percent average in the gym stuff”.[/quote]

Well, let me see. I guess I’ve known quite a few people that can bench 500lbs! Mariusz’ best bench (so I’ve read) is like 600lbs. Still not that big a deal.[/quote]

Really? Raw?

Because if a 600lb raw bench is not a big deal, I’m guessing most of the people you know are allergic to kryptonite. [/quote]

Really? Raw? How old are you? No I don’t personally know anybody with a 600lb bench but considering the world record is around 1000 and people routinely bench in the 8’s and 9’s around the world I didn’t think 600 was all that big a deal for our purposes here.

I hadn’t really thought much about it but I live in the southwestern U.S. L.A. Phoenix, Vegas. There are a lot of big strong guys around here. In every decent gym I’ve been in there are 10 or 20 guys with 300+ benches. 1 or 2 can usually bench (500). Thats “about” 10%. I’ve been to local bench pressing competitions where I’ve seen 600+ go up. If you think I’m lying about these numbers maybe you should get out more. They’re not that impressive.[/quote]

the world record in multi ply is 1000+. Held by Ryan Kenelly. I don’t remember the exact number. The world record raw bench is like 715 or 730 held by Mendelson.

It’s a big deal.

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[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]smokotime wrote:

[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
I’d love to know how a 500lbs bench is “top ten percent average in the gym stuff”.[/quote]

Well, let me see. I guess I’ve known quite a few people that can bench 500lbs! Mariusz’ best bench (so I’ve read) is like 600lbs. Still not that big a deal.[/quote]

Really? Raw?

Because if a 600lb raw bench is not a big deal, I’m guessing most of the people you know are allergic to kryptonite. [/quote]

Really? Raw? How old are you? No I don’t personally know anybody with a 600lb bench but considering the world record is around 1000 and people routinely bench in the 8’s and 9’s around the world I didn’t think 600 was all that big a deal for our purposes here.

I hadn’t really thought much about it but I live in the southwestern U.S. L.A. Phoenix, Vegas. There are a lot of big strong guys around here. In every decent gym I’ve been in there are 10 or 20 guys with 300+ benches. 1 or 2 can usually bench (500). Thats “about” 10%. I’ve been to local bench pressing competitions where I’ve seen 600+ go up. If you think I’m lying about these numbers maybe you should get out more. They’re not that impressive.[/quote]

1000+lb world record IS DONE IN GEAR, not raw.

the 600 lb mark is ridiculously difficult to achieve raw, even among the elite of trainees there aren’t many who can do that.
500 lb is chump-change by comparison. Just about every heavy or superheavyweight bodybuilder can rep 500.
Almost none of them can get 600 for a single. That goes for powerlifters as well.

715 lb or so is the raw world record if I remember right… Still held by Scott Mendelson? Not sure…

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haha, you really know when someone is talking out of their ass when they say a 600 lb raw bench press isn’t a big deal.

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[quote]ironshaolin wrote:
Case in point-I think many will be amazed at his stand up game. He’s not just a strong guy who is getting into fighting. He was a fighter who got into strong man, and wants back into fighting. Given the fact that he wins EVERYTHING he does, even dance competitions, shows his iron will to succeed. That alone can be a trump card in winning. Many times, fights are won by who wants to win it more. [/quote]

Was not impressed by his stand up. He did well considering it was his first fight, but his technique isn’t anything to be impressed by. He basically just brute forced the other guy, who frankly acted like he was afraid if he hit Mariusz he’d get picked up and snapped in two.

I look forward to seeing what he can do in future but he’d get picked apart by pretty much any legit HW right now.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

1000+lb world record IS DONE IN GEAR, not raw.

the 600 lb mark is ridiculously difficult to achieve raw, even among the elite of trainees there aren’t many who can do that.
500 lb is chump-change by comparison. Just about every heavy or superheavyweight bodybuilder can rep 500.
Almost none of them can get 600 for a single. That goes for powerlifters as well.

715 lb or so is the raw world record if I remember right… Still held by Scott Mendelson? Not sure…
[/quote]
Ok. Point taken. The 600+ benches I’ve seen in my life were in Gear. But the 500’s I’ve seen in the gym weren’t. And still if 715 is the raw record 600 is still probably pretty common in the grand scheme of things right? My main point has always been that MP’s strength is beyond common. That not just any really strong guy is going to make ripples in MMA by virtue of mostly his strength. I (and apparently a few other people) feel that Mariusz and maybe a few other people in the world, in particular, have the kind of strength it takes to push the envelope beyond the balance point of strength vs. technique. I believe in strength (ultimately). See my earlier note about speed. How often do you get to see such a blatant (albeit imperfect) example of the immovable object and the irresistable force? You can’t argue this scientifically. With numbers.

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So all the 600 benches you have seen are in gear, and you dont think 500 raw is impressive. I’m sure you can get 200lbs out of a suit if you really really train for it.

There are so many elements to throwing a real hard punch, you cant say because he’s heavy and has speed, he has a ridiculously powerful punch “because its science”. It’s transferring all the power [force or strength x speed right?]. You’ve said he can apply the fuck out of it because??.. he’s good at strongman means he can throw a great punch? … I dont get it.

I’m out on this one. We agree on the basics, you just want to push the fact he’s a pheonom. We’ll see.

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Man Nom Prospect cracks me up. It’s hillarious to think somewere out there…this closet neo-nazi is having some soccer mom doing sit ups on benzu ball for 15 bux an hour, then after he gives her the typical encouraging advice. Goes home and prays to his Hitler Shrine, shortly after an aryan jelqing meditation.