Mariusz Pudzianowski MMA

[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

1000+lb world record IS DONE IN GEAR, not raw.

the 600 lb mark is ridiculously difficult to achieve raw, even among the elite of trainees there aren’t many who can do that.
500 lb is chump-change by comparison. Just about every heavy or superheavyweight bodybuilder can rep 500.
Almost none of them can get 600 for a single. That goes for powerlifters as well.

715 lb or so is the raw world record if I remember right… Still held by Scott Mendelson? Not sure…
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Ok. Point taken. The 600+ benches I’ve seen in my life were in Gear. But the 500’s I’ve seen in the gym weren’t. And still if 715 is the raw record 600 is still probably pretty common in the grand scheme of things right? My main point has always been that MP’s strength is beyond common. That not just any really strong guy is going to make ripples in MMA by virtue of mostly his strength. I (and apparently a few other people) feel that Mariusz and maybe a few other people in the world, in particular, have the kind of strength it takes to push the envelope beyond the balance point of strength vs. technique. I believe in strength (ultimately). See my earlier note about speed. How often do you get to see such a blatant (albeit imperfect) example of the immovable object and the irresistable force? You can’t argue this scientifically. With numbers.

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Not too many powerlifters on the raw 600 bench list, even in the grand scheme of things. You get there and you know you’re hot shit.

[quote]The other Rob wrote:

[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

1000+lb world record IS DONE IN GEAR, not raw.

the 600 lb mark is ridiculously difficult to achieve raw, even among the elite of trainees there aren’t many who can do that.
500 lb is chump-change by comparison. Just about every heavy or superheavyweight bodybuilder can rep 500.
Almost none of them can get 600 for a single. That goes for powerlifters as well.

715 lb or so is the raw world record if I remember right… Still held by Scott Mendelson? Not sure…
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Ok. Point taken. The 600+ benches I’ve seen in my life were in Gear. But the 500’s I’ve seen in the gym weren’t. And still if 715 is the raw record 600 is still probably pretty common in the grand scheme of things right? My main point has always been that MP’s strength is beyond common. That not just any really strong guy is going to make ripples in MMA by virtue of mostly his strength. I (and apparently a few other people) feel that Mariusz and maybe a few other people in the world, in particular, have the kind of strength it takes to push the envelope beyond the balance point of strength vs. technique. I believe in strength (ultimately). See my earlier note about speed. How often do you get to see such a blatant (albeit imperfect) example of the immovable object and the irresistable force? You can’t argue this scientifically. With numbers.

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Not too many powerlifters on the raw 600 bench list, even in the grand scheme of things. You get there and you know you’re hot shit.[/quote]

x2 theres only a handful

[quote]blaque.ops wrote:
I’d love to see him batter Lesnor! Or maybe him versus Bob Sapp…[/quote]

Both are to strong for him in this moment, but what you think who would be good opponent for him in next fight? Regarding his interview after fight on www.pudzian-mma.com he will not stop on this and next fight will be probably in May 2010…

[quote]Mike795 wrote:

[quote]smokotime wrote:
Really? Raw?

Because if a 600lb raw bench is not a big deal, I’m guessing most of the people you know are allergic to kryptonite. [/quote]

Really? Raw? How old are you? No I don’t personally know anybody with a 600lb bench but considering the world record is around 1000 and people routinely bench in the 8’s and 9’s around the world I didn’t think 600 was all that big a deal for our purposes here.

I hadn’t really thought much about it but I live in the southwestern U.S. L.A. Phoenix, Vegas. There are a lot of big strong guys around here. In every decent gym I’ve been in there are 10 or 20 guys with 300+ benches. 1 or 2 can usually bench (500). Thats “about” 10%. I’ve been to local bench pressing competitions where I’ve seen 600+ go up. If you think I’m lying about these numbers maybe you should get out more. They’re not that impressive.[/quote]

I’m 24 years old, been involved in powerlifting in some way, shape or form since I was 19, and I was indicating that 600+ raw is in fact a big deal. I tried to do so in a remotely civilised fashion. It might not have come out that way, but it was the intention. I could have said “How old are you?” or that “maybe you should get out more”, or what popped into my head when I read your comment initially (it wasn’t complimentry). But rather than try to attack you personally, I was simply taking issue on a matter of fact.

There are 55 people recorded as benching 600 or more raw in competition on powerliftingwatch. Admittedly it is US centric, but that should give you and idea of how many people we’re talking about.
Also to my knowledge and according to them, no-one has ever raw benched 600 in competition weighing 220 or less. I can think of a couple of 220’s that might be able to do it if it came down to it, but thats about it.
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/600-pound-raw-bench-press

Also, people don’t routinely bench in the 9’s around the world. The list is like 20 people who’ve done 900+, and no-one has ever benched 800 in the IPF.
Again:
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/800-pound-bench-press

I’m well aware that there would be more people who bench 600 raw than compete, particularly throwers; but it is an elite mark that is pretty much insurmountable unless you’re genetically gifted. If you were to enter a forum populated by sprinters and said running sub-10 seconds “not that big a deal”, you’d get called on it. That’s what I’ve tried to do, without being a dick.

In any case, that’s my rationale. I’m going to stop derailing the thread and keep my posting in the PL section for a while!

Lol unfucken believable -

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Granted there is photoshopness in order to make them look glossy etc, but the fucken size difference is stupid lol. Every MMA fighter should be shitting himself.

LOL lolol seriously i can’t stop laughing at the people saying that Mariusz won’t last LOLOLlololololol…

Dude has some SERIOUS gyno going on there. Damn.

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Man Nom Prospect cracks me up. It’s hillarious to think somewere out there…this closet neo-nazi is having some soccer mom doing sit ups on benzu ball for 15 bux an hour, then after he gives her the typical encouraging advice. Goes home and prays to his Hitler Shrine, shortly after an aryan jelqing meditation.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree, that’s a pretty hilarious vision.

Not accurate, of course, but funny all the same.

If you’re going to poke fun at what [you assume] I do, let’s hear about your day job first. I’m sure the majority of the people who post here hold unglamorous blue collar occupations. So let’s hear about how you bust your ass shoveling shit and stacking lumber all day for $18-22/hr while I get to instruct middle class housewives to lie on their backs, bend over, spread their legs and other fun stuff.

I work in order to make as much money as possible in the least amount of time possible, so as to continually elevate my status and accumulate power.

Personal training is probably the single most lucrative field that I or anyone in similar circumstances could get into. Yes, far and away better than any professional field such as law, medicine or engineering. I could go on at length about the reasons why this is so, but I’ll try to summarize:

  • Extremely low barrier to entry. Spend $200 on a month course and bam, you’re a trainer. By comparison, want to be a lawyer? That will take 150k and 7 years of education. Does that mean trainers are necessarily incompetent? No, and certainly not in my case. I’m self taught in my field and extremely good at what I do.

I can assure you that there are just as many mediocre lawyers and doctors as there are mediocre trainers. Professional degrees and certifications are a racket designed to benefit the state-sanctioned cartels who administrate them (AmericanBarAssoc. & AmerMedAssoc for example). Higher education is largely a joke and anyone who is stuck in graduate school or pursuing liberal arts degrees at a time like this has to be an idiot. Just look at the economy and the hell do you morons think you’re doing? You’re going to be dirt poor and in debt until you’re 40.

  • No upper limit on how much you can charge and what you can make. PT’s, like other professionals who sell their skills and their knowledge rather than any tangible product, can charge basically as much as people are willing to pay. Unlike a retail store, you are not dealing with a complicated supply chain with razor-thin margins that can plummet if anything goes wrong at any one of hundreds of places within the chain. The buck stops with you, the individual trainer.

If you want to market yourself to wealthy clients and charge people $100/Hr, then you bear the full responsibility for justifying the price of your own service. It’s a fantastic scheme for ambitious, intelligent, creative and motivated individuals who would rather die than get stuck working for someone else in the 9-5 grind.

In this industry, there are many business/pricing models that “work”. Some trainers like to follow the aforesaid example and get as many rich clients as possible, charging high hourly rates. Other trainers recognize the relative scarcity of high-end clients and prefer instead to go after the middle class with lower rates and high volume. And then you’ve got group training vs 1on1 training, two separate camps, each of which has its own adherents (I’m part of the former, I think 1on1 training is an outdated model).

  • Trainers get to set their own hours to some extent. Now, in a commercial gym setting those hours can be awful, such as coming in to meet clients at 5 AM and then coming back at 5 PM. But that’s why I don’t work for other people at a commercial gym, and neither does any other successful trainer. I work for myself.

Finally, on matters of Nazism and similar views, there are plenty of people all over the world who quietly (and some not so quietly) adhere to ideologies that are outside the political mainstream. A comparable analogy can be made with homosexuality: For instance, do you believe that all gays dress up queer and march in those parades? No, of course not. They are your “respectable” doctors, pastors, husbands, lawyers, executives, teachers, friends, etc…

Any white person you come across could conceivably harbor Nazi sympathies, just like any minority could be part of a separatist/supremacist group like the Black Panthers. People believe all sorts of things, dontcha know?

Two more things:

Bosu balls are pretty worthless, as are any other “functional BS” implements designed to give people the illusion of exercising without lifting any real weight or breaking down muscle.

There are only two legitimate ways to train:

Either you are an athlete with performance and strength-related goals, in which case you are going to be trained with mostly free weights, compound movements, progressive overload and other well established principles of strength ala Poliquin, Westside, Russian-schools, etc…

OR

You are the average person with purely aesthetic, non-athletic goals, in which case you are going to be trained using principles taken from the world of professional bodybuilding, since there is no one on earth who knows more about body recomposition and does it more successfully and frequently than do pro BB’ers.

Here the focus will be on machines, isolation, time-under-tension, body-part splits, intensity and developing mind-muscle connection, as well as a major emphasis on high protein, high fat, low carb nutrition for fat fucks who need to lose weight.

THAT’S how I train people. You’ll notice, there’s no Bosu BS. Just real world training principles taken from top athletes in their respective sports and applied to normal people.

Last thing:
I have no college degree, no credit cards, zero debt, am smarter than you and currently charge $50/hr as an independent trainer. And that amount will increase whenever I consider it justifiable to give myself a raise.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Dude has some SERIOUS gyno going on there. Damn.[/quote]

I assume you’re referring to the guy on the right. In which case, I would say no, he just has a fat man’s chest. That’s what “heavyweight” guys look like who don’t do a lot of weight training.

When regular people say, “After you stop lifting, all your muscle will turn to fat”, that is the look they are referring to. Just a big framed guy with loose skin.

This is one incredibly simple minded thread.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

this and the preceeding post are terribly flawed. you’re assuming that 250lb “ragdoll” as you call it is doing nothing while marius is “throwing it against the floor”. let’s have this conversation when he actually beats someone ranked. go ahead - I’ll wait. i just won’t hold my breath. and by the way, if it were possibly, its financially lucrative for him. so, he’ll either prove me wrong, or you right. if it doesn’t happen, trust me its not because he’s making a truckload of money in wsm lol.

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My post was not flawed. Just because the next post agrees with what I say doesn’t mean I agree with everything the next post says. Read my post before telling me its flawed.

My point is that people like to think of the 80 year old kung fu master taking down the extremely strong, extremely well-conditioned fighter, but in reality, people watch too many movies. There is a difference between people that are strong (top 1%), and world class strength. I’m in the top 1% and Mariusz makes me look like a bitch.

Mike makes a good point their when he says that people have no idea what they’re dealing with when it comes to this level of strength. A great fighter will be able to minimize the impact of another fighter’s superior strength. Ask any fighter if he’d rather fight the same guy if he was weaker, and guess what his response will be.

Strength does have an impact on a fight. There is no flaw in that statement.

Flawed… Psh, I’m Mary fuckin’ Poppins. Oooooh snap, you just got served son. Don’t worry, I still love you :wink:

At any rate the fight, short as it was, was very entertaining to watch and I, like all of you, am looking forward to seeing more from Mariusz. We should now return to bickering over strength/power vs technique.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
It’s nice to have a fantasy where you can imagine yourself beating up people much bigger and stronger than you.[/quote]

It’s nice to have the internet where you can imagine yourself being smarter and more intelligent than you really are.[/quote]

That’s a false analogy. It’s entirely possible to prove one’s intellectual superiority over others by arguing with them over the internet.

In fact, internet discussions are probably the best means of accomplishing this. People just don’t debate issues in real life the way they do on internet forums.

When people converse in real life, approximately 90% of their discourse consists of pure bullshit and mutual backrubbing. The beauty of communicating over an anonymous medium is that it allows people to skip over the crap that goes on in everyday conversations.

The golden rule is as follows: Would anyone outside your circle of friends/neighborhood/town/city/country care a whit about your discussion? Will anything you’ve said be remembered in 5 minutes/hours/days/months/years or centuries?

If you answer no to all of the above, then you may officially be considered human waste. You are just a worthless breather who contributes nothing and whose journey into the ground should be expedited.

What makes the internet so wonderful is the way you just insulted me freely, which never would have occured if this discussion were taking place in the real world.

By the way, it may not be politically correct to point out, but people whose intelligence far exceeds the norm are no less aware of their talent than pro athletes. As sports stars recognize their own athletic gifts, so do very intelligent people recognize how smart they are. Most become aware of it during childhood.

I therefore refuse to hide my natural gift of superior intellect, as a tall man should not pretend that he is short in order to better fit in amongst others. [/quote]
dude, that wasn’t even an analogy… wtf

Yes well back to actual news. There’s talk that Mariusz may be fighting again in April…against Aleksander Emelianenko.

Aleks by murder.

[quote]Seego wrote:
Yes well back to actual news. There’s talk that Mariusz may be fighting again in April…against Aleksander Emelianenko.

Aleks by murder.[/quote]

Thats going to be a really interesting fight