Yea, but it’s not going to end until one of the bodybuilders on this site says so.
You know, one of those MULTI-FUNCTIONAL bodybuilders who schooled you earlier in this thread.
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
MULTI-FUNCTIONAL bodybuilders
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You mean they look good AND are able to touch-type?
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Yea, but it’s not going to end until one of the bodybuilders on this site says so.
You know, one of those MULTI-FUNCTIONAL bodybuilders who schooled you earlier in this thread.
[/quote]
Yawn.
I’m yet to be schooled. In bodybuilding I will conceed that they know something but that is as far as I’ll go.
Multi-Functional? Who says so? Them? What gives them any indication that they are multi-functional?
I’m sure you put on a TSB earlier didn’t you?
[quote]CHEKonIT wrote:
You mean they look good AND are able to touch-type?[/quote]
Ha. Look good is extremely subjective.
I still reckon they would use the hunt and peck method of typing.
Bro, your a fucking idiot for confusing bodybuilding and weight lifting. NO one here, other than you, said a single thing about bodybuilding being superior to someone that does strictly military pt and push ups.
I will, however, make that distinction. I am not a bodybuilder, I am a competitive fighter, and weightlifter (strongman and highland games). However, you use examples that you have seen. How about showing us one example we will believe, since we clearly dont believe a word you are saying at this point.
Show me a clip of an uncoordinated bodybuilder, or better yet, a bodybuilder that as gotten so big he/she is inflexible. And then prove to me that it is because of bobybuilding training that that individual ended up that way.
You are spewing complete bs. I challenge you to prove it, and I encourage other posters to do otherwise.
You have no military experiance, so I don’t want to hear about that anymore. I want you to show me an example of the kind of shit that you seem to take for reality.
Bodybuilders only become “non-functional” when they cease training for a specific function.
Look up pics of Michael Pittman or Vernon Davis. Both of them could probably win some amatuer bodybuilding titles with a few month’s training for that goal and last I checked they’re both anything you could ask for in an athlete. Are their muscles getting in the way?
People become not flexible when they don’t train for flexibility. People become slow when they don’t train for speed.
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but supposedly Herschel Walker never lifted weights until he entered the NFL. All he did was basically a Marine workout: Push-ups, chins, sit-ups, and running.
Signed,
Johnny Come Lately
[quote]madmaxs wrote:
Hi,
I have a question:
People often say push-ups will not make one relatively big and strong, yet I have met many Marines/Army soldiers who have gotten relatively big, and quite strong, simply from doing hundreds of push-ups all day long??
If your goal is to be relatively big and strong, are push-ups really a bad way to train?
Thanks,
Max [/quote]
I haven’t read all 120+ posts on this thread, but I’ll provide some insight. I assume you are talking about boot camp, since that’s where the biggest transformation takes place. Yes, many guys bulk up and get relatively stronger while in boot camp/Officer Candidate school. However, we do a whole lot more than just push-ups. I can’t speak for enlisted boot camp, but for OCS there were UBD’s courses (Upper Body Development) where you actually lift weights in a circuit. TONS of rope climing (often with gear), long distance hiking (humps) with heavy packs (talk about a trap workout), and many obsticle courses where you are constantly pulling and pushing yourself over and under things. In addition we do telephone pole workouts where a group of guys pick up an actual telephone pole and do group sit-ups, push-ups, squats and running while carrying the pole. We do “fireman’s carry” where you pick up a guy on your shoulder and run, long low-crawl drills, swimming with full gear, helmet, pack, boots, and rifle. The Marine Corps recognizes that recruits require extra calories, so the chow hall is pretty good and you eat a lot in a very short amount of time. e don’t do Olympic style squats or competition bench, but the constant movement with weight will bulk up beginners. Guys who work out regularly have an easier time and usually just loose weight.
[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but supposedly Herschel Walker never lifted weights until he entered the NFL. All he did was basically a Marine workout: Push-ups, chins, sit-ups, and running.
Signed,
Johnny Come Lately[/quote]
And if you believe that, I just got done screwing Janet Jackson and she wants to know if you’d like to go next.
PS, she’s only charging $100 and you get to take pictures. Money must be sent through Pay Pal first.
[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but supposedly Herschel Walker never lifted weights until he entered the NFL. All he did was basically a Marine workout: Push-ups, chins, sit-ups, and running.
Signed,
Johnny Come Lately[/quote]
Some have great genetics and the training (or lack of it) simply proves this. I had an uncle that never touched a barbell in his life, yet looked like he just walked out of the gym! On top of that he didn’t do push-ups either. He was a natural mesomorph.
Genetics!
But for the rest of us “mortals”…
Progressive resistance exercise has been proven to cause hypertrophy faster than anything else. It’s not like this is a new concept. It has been proven in every form it has been tested under! It’s as close to being fact as anything in the fitness world. And it matters not if it’s a Push-up, an over head press with a Barbell. And yes even a machine (gasp).
Naturally we all have our idea of what’s better.
But…
The one constant for a clearly superior muscle building session is “proressive resistance.” If you constantly add more stress to your Push-up routine with a weight vest, plate on your back, feet elevated, etc. you will gain.
As with any form of exercises the body has not adapted to will cause some form of positive muscle cell transformation, growth. But once that muscle cell gets accustomed to the same movement pattern, repetition speed, frequencey of the movement, the more endurance properties it will enhance. Body weight movements can cause you to get stronger and slightly more muscular, granted you have minimal body fat to see the new muscle.
Bodyweight exercises, or calisthenics, are used in the military primarily to teach a recruit to have control of his body and to improve usable strength for combat situations. It doesn,t make sense for a military combatant to be able to bench press 85-100% of his 1RM for 2-5 repetitions or have all three heads of his deltoids popping out from his shirt if his job is to carry a seventy pound ALICE pack, 2 ammo cans of 7.62 ball round ammunition, an M-16A2 service rifle, and an extra M-60 barrel for the machine gunner humping 10 klicks (kilometers)an hour.
To me, max strength and “show” muscle has no place in combat applications unless you want to look good in your Dress Blue Alphas while on embassy duty!
A good friend of mine is a PT fanatic. He has been doing bodyweight exercises for a LONG time, and can do quite a few push-ups and flutter kicks.
His body is quite defined and he has achieved a small level of hypertrophy. He looks like Men’s Fitness models, but with more meat.
With that being said, to achieve those results he has to do it every day for literally 2-3 hours per day. When I was younger, I tried his workout for a few years and remained skinny. Also, his posture is atrocious; he’s completely slump-shouldered and hunched over.
I served in the Navy for 6 years and continue to work for DoD at the Pentagon for the last 3 years. I see military guys all day long, and most of them look soft and fat.
When I was in the Navy, I took pride in being able to do many more push-ups than the required number - one time I did 127 push-ups in 2 minutes when the required max was 67. I also did 200 sit-ups in 2 minutes when the max was 100. However, it didn’t count for shit for the PRT test, and I was not strong at all except for doing mroe push-ups than the average joe. At that strength level, my max bench press was around 225 and I couldn’t gain any body weight above 175 lbs.
Now that I do weight training primarily, I can lift more weight and my lean muscle mass has increased tremendously. I am over 200 lbs. now and look much more like I wanted to look before. I also focus on mobility and flexibility training to keep my athleticism well-rounded.
I continue to do 1-handed push-ups as a supplement to my weight training, but I’d be at a real disadvantage if I had to give up weights and only do push-ups. If faced with that situation, I’d do mostly 1-handed push-ups and try to wear a backback full of rocks or something.
[quote]Truet wrote:
As with any form of exercises the body has not adapted to will cause some form of positive muscle cell transformation, growth. But once that muscle cell gets accustomed to the same movement pattern, repetition speed, frequencey of the movement, the more endurance properties it will enhance. Body weight movements can cause you to get stronger and slightly more muscular, granted you have minimal body fat to see the new muscle.
Bodyweight exercises, or calisthenics, are used in the military primarily to teach a recruit to have control of his body and to improve usable strength for combat situations. It doesn,t make sense for a military combatant to be able to bench press 85-100% of his 1RM for 2-5 repetitions or have all three heads of his deltoids popping out from his shirt if his job is to carry a seventy pound ALICE pack, 2 ammo cans of 6.62 ball round ammunition, an M-16A2 service rifle, and an extra M-60 barrel for the machine gunner humping 10 klicks (kilometers)an hour. To me, max strength and “show” muscle has no place in combat applications unless you want to look good in your Dress Blue Alphas while on embassy duty![/quote]
i really hope you’re not actually in the military since you don’t even know what caliber ammo the M-16 fires (it’s 5.56x45, in case you were wondering).
it’s ridiculous for you to say that bodyweight exercises are the best way to train for the military, not only because it’s untrue, but also because you contradict yourself later on by stating that the combatant needs to be able to carry quite a bit of gear in addition to his bodyweight.
it’s too bad that you added the second paragraph, since the first paragraph was right on. the second, with few exceptions, was riddled with incorrect information.
by the way, everyone (with extremely rare exceptions) can rep 2-5 reps of 85-100% 1RM.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The sad thing is, you actually wrote this crap with a straight face.
Let’s see you do an obstacle course with that cumbersome 270 pounds.[/quote]
Full Backs seem to handle themselves pretty nicely, Linebackers and Defensive Ends too.
Being big doesn’t automatically make you slow. Being “too big” might not make you optimally agile or fast (particular over longer distances), you can still be pretty damned impressive.
[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The sad thing is, you actually wrote this crap with a straight face.
Let’s see you do an obstacle course with that cumbersome 270 pounds.
Full Backs seem to handle themselves pretty nicely, Linebackers and Defensive Ends too.
Being big doesn’t automatically make you slow. Being “too big” might not make you optimally agile or fast (particular over longer distances), you can still be pretty damned impressive.[/quote]
Just like being small doesn’t automatically make you agile and coordinated.
Worst.
Thread.
Ever.
[quote]CC wrote:
Worst.
Thread.
Ever.[/quote]
Goal achieved.
What the fuck does Semper Fi mean?
Just jokes.
Enjoyed it while it lasted but I got fired for too much Internet use.
This is my last thread as I am packing up my shit as I type. Farewell T-Nation. A wild ride.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
CC wrote:
Worst.
Thread.
Ever.
Goal achieved.
What the fuck does Semper Fi mean?
Just jokes.
Enjoyed it while it lasted but I got fired for too much Internet use.
This is my last thread as I am packing up my shit as I type. Farewell T-Nation. A wild ride.[/quote]
I’d sack you too, not because you use the internet too much, but because you are full of crap.
$10 says you is not fired but changing alias to save face
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
I’d sack you too, not because you use the internet too much, but because you are full of crap.
$10 says you is not fired but changing alias to save face
[/quote]
Got the net at home too pal.
Ah the masses. I put my point of view accross and you have to diss me for it.
If you ask me, you’re the troll.
Can I have my ten bucks now?
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
I’d sack you too, not because you use the internet too much, but because you are full of crap.
$10 says you is not fired but changing alias to save face
Got the net at home too pal.
Ah the masses. I put my point of view accross and you have to diss me for it.
If you ask me, you’re the troll.
Can I have my ten bucks now?[/quote]
so when you said
[quote]Enjoyed it while it lasted but I got fired for too much Internet use.
This is my last thread as I am packing up my shit as I type. Farewell T-Nation. A wild ride.[/quote]
that was another lie? This isn’t your last thread? you are going home to do more posting and annoying people?
And why have you added me to your T-Nation friends list ? So you can follow my posts and talk jibber jabber?