[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Let’s see you ignore the many scrawny guys in the military who can do a ton of pushups but have no real strength to speak of. There are many people in the military who are big and who lift weights primarily as they form of training.
That might come from the fact that they only eat their 3 square meals a day and don’t give a shit about getting huge.
What is real strength for the military? Surely it is being able to carry a weapon and kit, haul ass when needed, and to support their rifle when shooting. I’m tipping they can do that.[/quote]
Have you ever seen a good number of SEALs?
A lot of them look more like bodybuilders than any other special forces group, and yet they’re still able to out perform just about everyone else in the military.
Go figgure.
And look at NFL linebackers, and even linemen. A great majority of guys in the military (Marines included) couldn’t go through an average training camp that the pro football players go through.
I’ve seen obese-looking linemen putting their head to their knee while stretching.
You get better at what you train for, and in the military, muscular endurance in more important than muscle mass and strength.
Being more muscular won’t make you any more clumsy as long as you’re still training for whatever it is that you were training for when you weren’t muscular.
That’s just an excuse that small people use to make themselves feel better about not training hard enough, or eating right.
[quote]Devil0351Dog wrote:
Do you know how many scrawny Marines I’ve seen puss out on the rope portion of the O-Course because they’re too weak to make it more than 2 feet off the ground?
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I only saw that in Recruit training here in Aus. That leaves something to be said about the Marines PT courses.
I always did extra gym work when I was in the Army and I felt that definetly gave me the edge over fellow Diggers.
Doing push-ups will make you strong for only one thing - doing push-ups. After you’re able to do 20+, they’re an endurance exercise and doing 200 a day wouldn’t help you increase your max strength.
If your physique is one that grows well with lower weights and high reps, you will do well with it. If not, you’re not going to gain a thing. It’s all training for an individual.
For all those who like the idea of doing push-ups, why don’t you get on the telemall-shopping website and buy yourself an ab-roller to boot!
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Let’s see you ignore the many scrawny guys in the military who can do a ton of pushups but have no real strength to speak of. There are many people in the military who are big and who lift weights primarily as they form of training.
That might come from the fact that they only eat their 3 square meals a day and don’t give a shit about getting huge.
What is real strength for the military? Surely it is being able to carry a weapon and kit, haul ass when needed, and to support their rifle when shooting. I’m tipping they can do that.[/quote]
You need to get out more. I see a good portion of big guys who most would relate to being involved in “bodybuilding”. While they may not be the majority, there are enough of them to dispell whatever it is you seem to think you know. I have seen quite a few marines who had some decent size on them and who clearly trained with weights regularly. There is a lot more going on in the military than simply carrying a weapon or doing pushups.
i do not think push ups get you strong. and i dotn think they are strong from doing push ups. just because they are stronger than the average person does not make somebody strong if you ask me. if training like this made you strong. wed all be doing sets of lots and lots of reps like they are doing with push ups.
the definition of strong:
Physically powerful; capable of exerting great physical force.
i dont think they capable of exerting great physical force form doing push ups. better than a normal person? yes. but i wouldnt say they are strong
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
It makes you functionally strong but doesn’t necessarily make you big and clumsy like a bodybuilder.
I know a few guys in the Military and they are hard & fit bastards. Getting under a barbell only makes you look tuff. Push ups and military style training will make you the real deal.
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[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Have you ever seen a good number of SEALs?
A lot of them look more like bodybuilders than any other special forces group, and yet they’re still able to out perform just about everyone else in the military.
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Okay. So the original question in this thread was whether a guy could put some size on with military style / push up based training. I imagine the SEALS do a few push ups here and there.
As I said before to X. They train what they need to. Having 22 inch arms isn’t going to scare the enemy from 300 yards away. Having the strength to hold the weapon in a firing position to accurately put rounds down on the fuckers will.
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That’s just an excuse that small people use to make themselves feel better about not training hard enough, or eating right.[/quote]
Everyone keeps calling the Marines and armed forces guys scrawny. Perhaps they are training hard, but not eating with the goal of being huge.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
It makes you functionally strong but doesn’t necessarily make you big and clumsy like a bodybuilder.
I know a few guys in the Military and they are hard & fit bastards. Getting under a barbell only makes you look tuff. Push ups and military style training will make you the real deal.
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who says that bodybuilders are big and clumsy people?? i have to disagree with that also that getting under a barbell makes you look tough but PUSH UPS and military training makes you tough. that just sounds ridiculous to me. i mean if you didnt add in push ups to that sentence i probly wouldnt of said anything about it lol
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You need to get out more. I see a good portion of big guys who most would relate to being involved in “bodybuilding”. While they may not be the majority, there are enough of them to dispell whatever it is you seem to think you know. I have seen quite a few marines who had some decent size on them and who clearly trained with weights regularly. There is a lot more going on in the military than simply carrying a weapon or doing pushups.[/quote]
Really? The primary goal of recruit training is so that any Marine, Soldier or Sailor can handle themselves when the shit hits the fan. Every soldier (even the computer based careers) can pick up a rifle and operate as part of the Infantry.
“Simply” carrying a weapon and using it is their primary function and push ups are a staple to every military PT program.
who says that bodybuilders are big and clumsy people?? i have to disagree with that also that getting under a barbell makes you look tough but PUSH UPS and military training makes you tough. that just sounds ridiculous to me. i mean if you didnt add in push ups to that sentence i probly wouldnt of said anything about it lol[/quote]
Come on. I have a class mate who is a very well accomplished bodybuilder. He has won many junior titles. When we do any form of sport/activity ie Soccer, Basketball, track, and etc he is hopelessly behind.
We’ve got a couple of Army Reserve guys who tear the rest of the class up in any activity. Our bodybuilding pal routinely comes last and just looks fucking ridiculous doing anything.
But when he is on stage against his competitors, he is a class above and thrives on what he does best.
He is very well prepared for the stage, but couldn’t survive a day in the Army.
Also, they don’t stop every 2 1/2 hours for a protein shake or chicken, rice and vegetables. Mid afternoon naps are out too.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
It makes you functionally strong but doesn’t necessarily make you big and clumsy like a bodybuilder.
I know a few guys in the Military and they are hard & fit bastards. Getting under a barbell only makes you look tuff. Push ups and military style training will make you the real deal.
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whoa. You were serious? Like, even for a second? Are you kidding me?
Everyone keeps calling the Marines and armed forces guys scrawny. Perhaps they are training hard, but not eating with the goal of being huge.[/quote]
I’m calling those that just do PT weak. Not small. I grew up on a military campus (NYMA). Every one of my commanders lifted weights. Every single one.
Guess what happened to a lot of the cadets that never lifted, but still did PT twice a day… Most of them were fat and weak, despite training year round, all the time. It is not an effective form of training, and believe it or not, most of those in the military know this already.
The best thing PT was ever for was mental toughness.
Also, they don’t stop every 2 1/2 hours for a protein shake or chicken, rice and vegetables. Mid afternoon naps are out too. [/quote]
I suspected it before, but on this quote alone, I know for a fact that you have never served in any branch of the military. During drills, I was lucky if I WENT every 2.5 hours, let alone stopped.
the definition of strong:
Physically powerful; capable of exerting great physical force.
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Chek and many other geniuses define “stong” as being different from power. Strength refers to how much you can move, power refers to how fast you can move it.
Chek and others agree that push-ups and such are fundemental ways to train, if you don’t train for function, you’re going to end up all show and no go when it comes to the real world. Remember when Kevin Levrone said he could out sprint a professional sprinter based solely on the fact that he can squat a heavy barbell?
We’ve got a couple of Army Reserve guys who tear the rest of the class up in any activity. Our bodybuilding pal routinely comes last and just looks fucking ridiculous doing anything.
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I bet he doesn’t look so fucking ridiculous standing next to you.
I dunno about most people but I grew up in a shitty ass neighborhood and didnt even know what weights were until i was like 17. Me and a bunch of the kids in the neighborhood would do 100-500 pushups a day and all of us have pretty fuggin big chests and when we started lifting were able to put up good weight(I was putting up about 180 when I was 150…and thats when I 1st started). I know 2 former BC running backs (one of whom is pro) that did 100s of calf raises in the shower everyday before they they started lifting wieghts and both of them have huge calfs and some serious power to boot. My cousin is in Marine Force Recon but he lifts even when he is stationed out in the desert because some of the bases have facilities for that shit. I dont know what the research sais about it but my experience points to it helping (provided you start young)
I suspected it before, but on this quote alone, I know for a fact that you have never served in any branch of the military. During drills, I was lucky if I WENT every 2.5 hours, let alone stopped. [/quote]
Are you trying to tell me that you’ve never gone over 2.5 or never gone under. If you’re saying under, read my previous thread a little better.
We’ve got a couple of Army Reserve guys who tear the rest of the class up in any activity. Our bodybuilding pal routinely comes last and just looks fucking ridiculous doing anything.
But
I bet he doesn’t look so fucking ridiculous standing next to you.
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Chek? You’ll be about as popular as I am at the moment quoting that guy.