Could it be that you were hitting it hard in the gym while on MAG-10 and after lowering volume when you went off, you got a slingshot recovery effect? Like maybe you were overtraining while on? It could also be a halflife thing. I think I’m going to continue to eat big at least a day or two after I stop taking MAG-10 to facilitate recovery. Then I’ll lowers calories back down to normal levels.
Meal 1: Protein shake, 1 extra large boiled egg, one tbsp flaxseed oil, fish oil caps, gluc/chond mix. Meal 2: 16 oz cottage cheese, apple. Meal 3: (dinner leftovers from night before) chicken breast, sweet potato, brocolli. Meal 4: Protein shake and fruit or yogurt, MAG-10 (9ml). Meal 5: Surge, multivitamin, vit E. Meal 6: (dinner) could be same as lunch or something like shepherd’s pie, pot roast, stew, etc. Meal 7: Protein shake + flaxseed oil, ZMA.
1-After reading your post, I had no choice but to start my first dose of MAG-10 as I write this e-mail. I’m also 29 and have similar history and experience with training and competition(bodybuilding). I wanted to wait til after the new year to start MAG-10, but your post put me over the edge. Details to follow.
Eric, your results (gaining LBM shortly
after stopping MAG-10) are probably explainable
by MAG-10 remaining in the system for several
days after the last dose.
Technically, for a 2 week cycle, it might
make sense to stop at least a day or two
before day 14 and to rely on the residual
effect, but I sort of felt like that would
be making it too complicated and I knew
it would also work to go the full 14 days.
Craig, I think Massive Eating is great
for the natural trainer, and frankly it’s
few and far between when someone comes
up with a real advancement in diet like
John Berardi has here.
But when using androgens, you don’t have
the same situation, it’s better to keep
fat down and protein and carbs high with
every meal.
Skwotz, no need to worry about Androsol
losing potency while sitting around.
To really strongly support LBM retention
with Androsol while dieting hard, 70
sprays 2x/day is best, but, that should
be counted as being “on.”
35 sprays in the morning only is better
for between cycles, but doesn’t give
as much support, rather just an “edge,”
in LBM retention. So calories should
be kept higher while dieting, e.g.,
say 15 cal/lb LBM/day.
70 sprays in the morning only also has
some good reports but that’s obviously
more aggressive.
Laibach, no, I wouldn’t stack the Nandrosol
with MAG-10, but would rather save it for
some period when I was wanting something
less aggressive than MAG-10. E.g., possible
morning-only use inbetween being “on.”
1, when someone as experienced as you
has good results either from my advice
or from something I designed, that’s
what really means something – it’s all
too easy for someone to get results, or think
they did, when instead it could just be
that they had so much room for improvement
left to be tapped and just hadn’t bothered
to. So I really appreciate your letter.
Your immediate results are due I’d expect
to the CNS-stimulant activity of the 4-AD,
rather as some powerlifters like popping
some methyltests shortly before a lift.
The pump effect is also from the 4-AD.
It certainly takes a few days for actual
muscle growth to occur, so, that isn’t
the cause of your immediate results.
Next, I trust, will be impressive LBM
gains along with excellent strength gains!
At your level of development, of course,
“even” a 10% increase is stunning.
After a 6 week cycle I’d prefer to stay
on M and Tribex for at least 4 weeks.
It would be guessing to say what you might
expect during the third through sixth weeks
of a MAG-10 cycle. It also would depend a lot
on the individual.
Judging from results with pharmaceutical
steroids, an average result would be same
gains in last four weeks as in first two
weeks.
This, by the way, is in comparison to
pharmaceutical steroid cycles with serious
dosages, a good stack, and appropriate
training and nutrition. Where that’s
not the case, the reverse is common:
instead, these guys may notice almost
nothing in the first two or three weeks, but
then make some nice gains starting with
the third or fourth week. So of course
they gain far more in the last four weeks
of a 2 week cycle than in the first 2.
Different situation.
It also depends a lot on where your starting
point is, and on the luck of the draw of
whether it happens to be a time when your
body really “wants” to grow or does not.
That’s totally unpredicatable but there
definitely are such times. If it happens
to be a particularly good time for you
your last four weeks might be quite excellent.
I’ve been keeping my eye on the “testimonials” of MAG 10’s effectiveness. I’m still a little skeptical of how much gains gain be attributed to MAG 10
In that case, I’d recommend adopting the
nutrition and training recommendations
we give with MAG-10, without using MAG-10.
If you can gain as much LBM with as little
or no fat as the MAG-10 users are achieving,
then all I can say is, why the heck didn’t
you try improving your training and nutrition earlier! 
For advanced trainers, no, the training
and nutrition recommendations given, without
MAG-10, will
not achieve these results.
Guys, could you mention whether you’re
taking MAG-10 once per day or twice per day?
Your gains sound great but half the time
I can’t tell what you did! There was another
thread on this but it disappeared. Thanks!!!
My doctor has now officially diagnosed me with Celiacs disease. I cannot have any gluten or wheat products in my diet whatsoever. He also told me to cut back on the carbs as well. Whenever I have carbs, I’m told that I need to eat fruits instead of grains. Is this similar to your case? How would one gain weight under this type of eating regimen? Thanks again for your help, and if anyone other than Clobro has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.
Pryapus, I’m really glad your doctor has found the cause of your problem. I truly do not believe in the diagnosis of irratible bowel syndrome. I think that if you have IBS, you are eating something that your body can’t handle.
Getting used to a gluten free diet is pretty difficult. The good news is that there is a lot of rice products you can use as a substitute for flour products. Rice pasta is great and you can hardly tell the difference between it and the real stuff. I buy gluten free breads occasionally at the health food store. Recently, I found a frozen gluten free pizza crust at my health food store that is quite good too.
To answer your question, yes it is difficult to find carb choices I can eat, but you get used to it. Think about it this way, a lot of flour products are bad for you anyway (cookies, cakes, etc), so it kind of forces you to eat healthier.
I see from your other post that you are also lactose intolerant. There is a link between gluten and lactose intolerance. If you are a celiac and do not follow a gluten free diet, you may lose the ablity to digest lactose. Eventually, by following a gluten free diet, you may again be able to digest lactose.
Check out the list of forbidden foods on the www.celiac.com site to see what you can and can’t eat. There is a debate whether oats are gluten free. As a newly diagnosed celiac, I would avoid them but consider introducing them eventually (they are 0.006% gluten so it really shouldn’t affect you).
Lastly, I’m not sure how long you have been having problems, but when you do not follow a gluten free diet and are allergic to it, you are damaging your colon. Your risk for colon cancer goes way up. The good news is that eventually, after following a GF diet, your intestinal villa start to heal (and should be fully healed within 2 years). Eventually, they will have a pill so we can digest wheat, but that is several years off. My problems started with years of antibiotic use as a teenager for acne. It ruined my intestinal flora. I supplemented good bactera to try and get it back, but have still lost the ability to digest wheat. Any other questions, pls let me know.
Day 5, started Monday. 1 dose in the morning, 5000 calories a day using massive eating, and protein shake in the middle of the night. Day one 185lbs, day 5 193lbs. Noticeably Bigger, thicker, and stronger. Feels like 400 mg of test a week without the bloat. So far so good. Keep ya'll posted.
You’re an animal. I start next Thursday. I’m only doing one week of low volume since I was doing low rep work the past threes weeks with 3-4 training days a week. I actually feel ready to go right now, but I want to make sure that I stick to my plan so that finals don’t get in the way. Keep up the good work!
Hey you might want to check out the specific carbohydrate diet at scdiet.com or the eating recommendations at mercola.com or check out the paleolithic style of eating which is gluten free. There are still plenty of carbohydrate choices to choose from. It might be hard and suck for you now but you’ll get used to it and be healthier in the long run. In fact you can 100% completely cure your condition by following the correct diet.
Message for Mr. Roberts:
I just received my order of Mag-10. I would like to start on Mon (12/17) and do the 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for the 3 cycles. However, due to my job I have to travel out of town for 2 weeks which would be during my second Surge III phase. The place I am going has no training facilitis other than a treadmill (yes, a true bummer). Would it be wise to start next week or would it be better to postpone the start until my return?
Klyte, it’s hard to say and depends
more on your priorities and timetable
than anything else. If let’s say what
you really care about is your physique
next summer and thereafter, and aren’t
really in much of a hurry at all in
terms of the next few months, I’d wait.
On the other hand, if near term results
are of any value to you, I’d do it now.
Your losses during 2 weeks of no training
won’t be that bad.
Clobro, my man, you can not believe in IBS all you want. All you need to do is come watch a few colonoscopes of people with some form of IBS and surely your mind will change. I have no doubt that some people are misdiagnosed and probably have food intolerances, but IBS is a very real, debilitating disorder that affects people regardless of what they eat.