MAG-10 + Oral Stack ?

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In Cy’s steroids for dummies article he mentioned a needle-phobic stack of Oxandrolone, 40 mg per day along with 50 mg per day of Stanozolol. I am wondering if anyone here has tried it since there were few oral only posts in the past.

Also since I do have few bottles of MAG-10 left, as well as above mentioned substances, I am curious about how that would work stacked together as well as the best choice in length of the cycle. I was planning on a 4 weeks in March but we can discuss
4 weeks, 6 weeks, 2on 2 off etc.

Any thoughts Bushy, Mr. Roberts, Cy … other vets

PS
Just to keep the discussion on topic:

  1. I personally do not experience joint problems with Winstrol.

  2. I am well aware of ?disadvantages? of oral only cycles. This is just a thought about how to use some leftovers before my longer non needle-phobic summer cycle.

  3. I know how to protect my liver. In the past my values have always been in the normal range four weeks post cycle.

  4. PCT taken care of.

thanks in advance,
brunoG

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I’m not familiar specifically with oxandrolone plus Winstrol as the only androgens used but I’d guess that at those doses that would be a mid-level sort of effectiveness, maybe comparable to 750 mg/week T or something like that, and better than that for fat loss. As guesswork.

Overall I tend to think that if going past 2 weeks one might as well go 8 or so, as recovery isn’t much different, but there could be reasons not to do that. For example a training and nutrition program could quite possibly have four weeks straight that would really benefit from the androgens but the weeks before and after would not so much, and so it would be better to save another few weeks’ worth for another training cycle. Basically, post-cycle considerations are the same for 4 week vs 8 week except that (not really “except” as this is during cycle) in the 8 week program it’s nice to use HCG during so as to have no loss of testicular size and immediate readiness to produce testosterone from LH stimulation, whereas while there are som cases of severe shrinkage in just 4 weeks this usually isn’t the case and HCG can be gotten without perfectly fine.

Another reason that could favor the 4 weeks is if preferring to not so obviously be using. If stretching the same gains over a longer period of time – say having 8 weeks inbetween and thus a total of 16 weeks not 8 – and especially if dieting fat off in the off weeks, this seems possible to the inexpert person whereas 8 weeks of bulking, followed by some post-cycle losses, will be pretty obviously juiced. So that’s another valid reason, it all depends on the purpose.

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Mr. Roberts
Thanks for your response to my post.
If one was to try Oxandrolone plus Winstrol stack would you favor 2 on 2 off protocol?
Would you go for 8 weeks total (2 on 2 off X2) or do you think this could be stretched to 12 weeks (2 on 2 off X3)
Secondly if one was to add Mag10 into the mix would 2 doses a day be overkill or should one stick
with one dose a day.
Let’s say that goal would be gaining 5 to 10 lean Lbs.

PS
What would be your choice of PCT for 2on 2 off protocol. I have almost anything available.

Thank you for your time,
brunoG

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If the goal is 5 to 10 lb LBM improvement as measured post-cycle – measuring at end of cycle will give a greater number that may not be really meaningful if planning to be “off” most of the time as it sounds like you do, then that is pretty easily achieved, and ought to be done with one 2-week MAG-10 cycle (at the low end of the scale) without adding anything at all, and the high end with two or three cycles.

But, that doesn’t mean that adding the orals or taking 2x/day is overkill, as getting results faster is a good thing and if not desiring to go past that 10 lb, simply by doing fewer cycles. Besides this, a really key or maybe fair to say the key to why use anabolics in the first place is triggering what one might call a quantum change (a jump of discrete units, nothing inbetween) that would never occur naturally. These are from satellite cells fusing into mature muscle cells thus increasing their number of nuclei and thus increasing their protein synthesis and size capacity permanently, and possibly also triggering differentiation of satellite cells into mature muscle cells of their own right.

Simply “plumping up” the cells where they are pushing closer to 100% of what they can be for the number of nuclei they have is only a temporary change.

Low-dose androgen use can fail to achieve or not achieve much of this sort of change. Higher doses will trigger events that don’t occur at lower doses.

So if suppressed anyway, and not having toxicity issues such as too much 17-alkylateds for too long (actually any amount is too long for permanent use) or estrogen problems or skin-related problems, no reason not to really trigger these changes. Except one, that it may but also may not be harder on the hair if subject to male-pattern baldness than lower dose accomplishing the same results for example by lower dose over longer time. (Of course, accomplishing less results, effect on hair will be less too.) Really it’s not clear to me whether that is so or not but to consider everything, it may be possible that the higher-dose/shorter time protocol could be harder on hair. Not drastically different if at all I think though.

For PCT, Clomid 50 mg/day, except 300 mg on first day, or Nolvadex 20 mg/day, except about 100 or 120 on first day.

When doing this, putting a number of 2 on / 2 off cycles back to back is fine. The reasons not to do so really would be if training plan or fat loss plan syncs up better with the next two “on” weeks having extra time inbetween.

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Mr. Roberts
Thank you again for your response.

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Sure, glad to be of any assistance.