I have been wanting to do a 2 week on 4 week off cycle forever. But the area I live there is little gear available except test E and more test E lol. So finally winstrol and dbol are available to me so I was thinking of running a 2 weeker with it. First thing is that it is liquid dbol and liquid winny. Second thing is what kind of dosage would you want to run of these two compounds.
Little about me I am 30 yrs old lifted since I was 16, a lean 190lbs.,I just want a little bump I have a family and a professional career so i just want the safest and most solid small gains that’s it, don’t want to “blow” or anything just a nice bump, least suppressive would be nice I love my bedroom time lol.
No AAS experience at all. Training since I was 16 now 30. Training consist of 2 on 1 off style training using mostly compound movemets. Run sprints twice a week, 40s. Diet generally consist of a 40/40/20 split using beverly proteins and lots of BCAAs and EAAs along plenty of EFAs. I am 5’10 190 10% BF. Again I just want a bump in the safest way possible I have a wife and family to think about as well my job.
50mg ED of both could be a starting point. You may like to run the winstrol a little higher. Some people like to take the entire Dbol dose pre workout. I personally think that because it’s a 2 week cycle and not a bridge, bite the bullet and evenly space the dose throughout the day, although one of your doses should probably be about 1 hr pre workout.
You’ll sacrifice “some” suppression for gains, but it’s a two week cycle. Generally testicular function will return very quickly regardless.
Sex drive shouldn’t be an issue.
I’ve played around with varying times “off”. 2 on 2 off has worked well for me. If you have access to a class one compound with a short half life, look into that, you’ll probably find improved synergy with the Dbol.
if your only gonna do two weeks i wouldnt even worry about doin it at all… i would go solid for 8 weeks and I would add some test and arimidex to the mix. test cyp 500 wk and 1mg of arimidex eod and continue the adex for 3 weeks after finishing all aas compounds and take a 6 wk break then jump back on
I went ahead and gave a two weeker a try I love it so far I went with 25mg of Dbol + 50mg of winstrol. I feel like superman! They are both liquid suspension yuck, under the tongue, but oh well they hit fast. I really wish Bill Roberts you chime in anytime, that would be awesome. Cuz I am still not sure whether I am going to go 2 weeks on 4 weeks off or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, the whole reason I wanted to do the two weekers is to avoid all the PCT stuff, I have very limited access, besides that the less chemicals I have to put into my body the better.
Anyone??? 2 or 4 weeks off anyone? It would be great if Bill Roberts happened to drop in this post and drop a hint! I have no PCT but a natural test booster, could I just run it for 4 weeks?
It is possible to do the 2 week on / 4 week off cycles with no PCT, assuming that the brief cycles are done as they should be with quick acting steroids and nothing long-term inhibitive such as Deca is used.
That, incidentally, is why MAG-10 prosteroid recommendations (the discontinued product from years ago, made illegal in 2004) were for that manner of use.
While it was capable of causing recovery problems when used in longer cycles, no one, to our knowledge, ever had a recovery issue using MAG-10 per the 2 on / 4 off recommendation.
I expect it was however fully inhibitory during use.
I had found in personal experimentation prior to that that 2 on / 4 off steroid cycles without PCT were acceptable. It’s not ideal – I absolutely recommend pharmaceutical PCT – but it can reasonably be done.
However, it’s a different situation I think with anabolic steroids versus an over-the-counter product such as MAG-10 was. I couldn’t reasonably expect that a supplement customer should obtain pharmaceutical ancillaries to use the product.
But in the case of an anabolic steroid user, anyone who can acquire the steroids really ought to be able to acquire the PCT. So there really isn’t much, if any, of an excuse for skipping it in that instance.
Jart, if you look around, perhaps including escrow Internet pharmacy services, I would think you could find some tamoxifen or clomiphene.
You wrote that:“It is possible to do the 2 week on / 4 week off cycles with no PCT, assuming that the brief cycles are done as they should be with quick acting steroids and nothing long-term inhibitive such as Deca is used.”
I have a few qestions about this.
1)I would like try very short cycle:2 weeks on and that is it (with no PTC)! I have possible get anadrol 50,which would be good for this purpose.I do not want do longer “the 2 week on / 4 week off cycles”,because of healt matter and I think that 2 weeks anadrol cycle would be enough for me;)What you think about this?
2)How much lean muscle is possible get in two weeks anadrol cycle and retain after that (with no PTC)?
3)How to minimize water swelling with anadrol?
4)What supplements you suggest for healt purposes(on cycles and after it)?
5)Would it wise to do volume training during this anadrol cycle?
Yes, Anadrol would work fine for this. It isn’t the ideal to use Anadrol alone. For example using half-as-much-each of both oxandrolone and Anadrol works better than that same total amount of Anadrol alone.
Depends totally on the person and even for the same person would vary according to the situation.
In some cases, with a change in training and diet and the stars being aligned right, a natural trainer can add 5 lb of muscle in a given 2 week period. Uncommon but it can happen. For a first cycle, with training and nutrition being optimized and the stars being aligned fairly well, 10 lb of retained muscle in a first 2 week cycle sometimes happens. I’d question whether it would happen with Anadrol alone though.
Don’t take aromatizing drugs at the same time.
There is going to be some degree of added facial fullness regardless of estrogen not increasing. I am guessing that that is due to the muscles of the face also responding and becoming more full with glycogen and glycogen-associated water, just as the larger muscles do.
There is no specific supplementation needed for health in this instance.
My personal estimate is that about a 1/3 increase in volume, compared to what would be optimum for the individual, is usually about the adjusted optimum when using anabolic steroids.
However, if following specific programs that are very hard – for example, I Bodybuilder or Smolov – then by no means add any further exercises or sets. It’s best to just let the program enjoy the added benefits of the steroids rather than increase demands yet further.
first off I want to say thanks bill for chiming in. unfortunatley I still have no pharmaceutical PCT lined up yet, but I do have a natural test booster purchased and should I get an OTC AI/anti-E during pct? how is the best way to dose the dbol and the winny??? So far I have been dosing the dbol 25mg preworkout and 50mg winny preworkout too, lol, I have been having killer workouts needless to say, but I was thinking of splitting the dosage of winny. Oh yea I dose and 5 am then workout at 6 am if this helps any.
ATD is a somewhat effective antiaromatase. It has some anti-androgenic activity, which is undesirable of course, but a dosing of 25 mg/day gets some reasonable anti-aromatase activity without the anti-androgenic activity being a serious issue at all.
The idea of a 2 week cycle, at least the way I have presented it, is for the doses to be sufficient for quite serious effect. Your dosing and stack is quite different from that.
It’s likely but not a proven fact that dividing the dose may give you more results in this instance. It usually is a better idea, but I can’t say in a usage such as yours, as it isn’t the sort that I’ve worked with a single person with.