Okay heres a stupid question. This is more of an obsession if anything, I’m the type that thinks that more is better and Im gonna go either on Mag-10 or 4-ADec. I hear on the forum that 2 servings are better than one, or 1 serving does just as well because it’s active for 24 hours. So before i spend $$$$
will one serving work as well as two???
Depends on the individual but generally
results are still excellent at one dose
per day, and if money is an issue you’ll
get more total results from for example
4 total weeks of one dose per day use than
2 total weeks of two doses per day (it would be preferable to take at least two off weeks inbetween in the first example.)
If speed of results is more an issue than money, then there’s no harm in using 1.5 or 2 doses per day and you may have faster results
particularly on later cycles.
So Mr. What you are saying is I can get better total results by taking 1.5 servings for 6-8 weeks than 2 servings a day for let’s say 3-5 weeks ??? (please correct me if I am wrong) The reason why is i want to go on along cycle and i wanted to know if the one serving is enough. Also please correct me on this, if I did 2 servings for that long ( 8 weeks) what it do more harm than good, i.e. supress my endocrine sytem.
Are you also suggesting that if I do do an 8 week cycle that I should do 4 weeks on 2 weeks off, and then 4 weeks on. ( 4,2,4 =10 weeks ). Could I repeat this pattern and let’s say do another 2 weeks off and 4 weeks back on making a total of 16 weeks.
I meant to say 1 serving (1.5 capfuls)
You’re shooting for too much. The label recommendations clearly say 2-week cycles are best for results without endocrine supression. What Bill was suggesting above in the “4 week cycle” was 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, then 2 more weeks on. After that you should take some time off to solidify your gains as naturally as possible.
An 8-week cycle with no time off probably isn’t a good idea. Read up on MAG-10, etc. and see for yourself.
Hey char, we are not talking about MAG-10
What char-dawg was saying applies generally
to 4-AD-EC as well, though with the 4-AD-EC you can follow 8 week cycles more readily.
I can’t really answer too specifically on the “which is better” question. To do so would really need having specific results of a large number of users using both protocols and then determining some fairly small observed average distance, hopefully statistically significant but quite likely not in this sort of thing. All I can do really is go by general principles and say what ought to be more efficient, and also by comparison with results from use of other androgens where at least in the earlier stages of use, longer lower dose use, provided amount is past a sufficient threshold e.g. at least 500 mg, seems a little more efficient in terms of muscle gained per mg of steroid than shorter higher dose use for the same amount of steroid. It’s certainly true for say 1000 mg for 8 weeks vs 2000 mg for 4 weeks, and seems still a little true for say 500 mg for 8 weeks vs 1000 mg for 4 weeks.
What I’d suggest is as I’d said before: start with one dose per day and if, as is so often the case, you are completely happy with the rate of progress as judged at 5 days or 7 days if you want to give it a little more time, then continue with that; or if not, try increasing but not to more than 2 doses per day.
Here’s a quote from your original post:
“…Im gonna go either on Mag-10 or 4-ADec.[sic]”
Nothing you wrote after that specified that you weren’t talking about MAG-10. And I did say “Mag-10, etc.” Perhaps you didn’t see the “etc.” part.
Then again, perhaps you’re so hyped up to try this stuff that you’re not reading very well at the moment. (Sigh. And people wonder why I complain about illiterate posters…)
So if you were to use longer cycles than 2 weeks on, say 3 or 4 weeks on, would tribex and M be enough to come off with? Would there be any benefit to doing 3 or 4-on 4-off rather than then 2-on 2-off protocol?
Tribex and M work well for 8 week cycles also
but recovery is not as fast as with the 2 week cycle. If Clomid can be obtained I think it better to do so since it’s more proven and isn’t cost-prohibitive but Tribex and M has worked well (also Tribex + Vitex.)
I don’t much favor cycles in the 3-4 week range because the recovery rate seems no better than with a 5-8 week cycle. If staying on past two weeks, why not go 5-8 weeks in most cases.
Bill, same recommendations with regard to MAG-10 or would clomid be a must after 5-8 weeks of MAG-10?
Same really. In any case (2 weeks or 8 weeks, 4-AD-EC or MAG-10) I think Clomid post-cycle is absolutely worth the modest cost if it can be obtained, but if not, Tribex + M or Tribex + Vitex are adequate substitutes. Also in any case, one should certainly allow enough time to make sure T production appears to be back (which can be judged by morning “wood” and general libido, mood, etc.) and then preferably at least as much time “off” as “on,” or over the longer term, preferably twice as much.
If using Clomid, Tribex is still probably a worthwhile addition but I wouldn’t then use the M as well. That would seem overkill.
Hey Bill, do you think alternating cycles of mag-10 and 4-AD-EC makes sense? In other words, 2 week cycle of Mag-10, then a 2 week cycle of 4-AD-EC. During the 4-AD-EC weeks, take tribex and M to kick the nads back into gear. This is along the lines of Cy Wilson’s perpetual cycle. Of course, after a few of these cycles, it would make sense to get off of both products, but stay on the Tribex/M combo (how many 4 week cycles do you feel is OK?).