Lower Right Back Pain

Sorry to bother everyone with another back pain topic. I am probably going to go see a physio about it, but I thought I would ask you guys first.

Couple years back I really injured my lower right back. Like right on top of my ass pretty much. It hurt to do anything involving my back or stability for a couple months. It healed, but started hurting again about a month ago when I squated and deadlifted. So I eased up on the weight, but it still hurt, and then I switched over to leg press and even that hurt when doing heavy weight.

I gave it about 2 weeks of rest and started slowly easing back into the lifts. Today I squated and deadlifted light, and it was okay but I can still feel it tingling after the workout.

My dad told me I have to stop deadlifting… for ever. I told him that was ridiculous. Has anyone had a similar problem? What do you recommend? Should I just go and see a physio ASAP?

Thanks,

Alex

Well I am new to the board, but have been reading for a long time. I had injury very similar in location to yours. For me it was not structural meaning no discs out of place or anything, it was just muscular - stretched it out too much and then a few muscle pulls and strains. You should deff go to dr about it.

But more information like when having the bar on the shoulders for squat does your back hurt or only when you are ass to grass. Same with the deadlifts. What exercises were you using when it happened? You may need to train around the injury for a loooong time and do a bunch of rehab - for me it is constant - to be able to hit the weight heavy again. Good luck

Have you done any heavy ab word? I’m not talking crunches. An example would be weighted 45* hyper oblique raises.

This helped me a lot overcoming a bad back injury. Originally, I couldn’t deadlift at all and took 7 months to get back to pulling. Abs are always important.

I recently re-injured it (2 weeks ago) and it was pretty bad. I had to ice it a lot. I figured that the worst thing to do what sit and do nothing. A few years ago, I built a reverse hyper extension that fits into my power cage. I don’t use any weight, just the motion to stretch out the spine to encourage blood flow to provide nutrients and remove waste. In a week, I went from barely being able to stand w/o pain to squatting 308 raw. In two weeks (yesterday), I hit 420 for reps. Not impressive strength, but my point is that with the proper methods, you can encourage and speed up the healing process.

The bottom line is this. Do ANYTHING that will provide circulation to the back as well as improving your abdominal strength. This goes a long way. Good form is a must, but you know that. Just don’t do anything that hurts. If there’s pain, thats your body saying stop. Don’t believe in this “no pain, no gain” BS. One other thing, static stretching never did ANYTHING for me, ever. I feel a good warm up is 10x better and some stretching regiment.

I can’t recommend a physical therapist as I’ve had VERY bad experiences w/ physical therapists including a few people I know who were serverly injured by them. I don’t think very highly of them. They don’t have an M.D. or anyting resembling that level of knowledge.

Honestly, do a lot of research on your condition. You might want to get an MRI or something to diagnose if you have a bulging disc or something of that nature. You might come across something that will help.

My pain is on the same side as yours and although I don’t have tingling, I had the same issues as you. It is possible to overcome this problem, you just have to figure out what works. I know I’m a little vague, but its hard to tell exactly what the problem is. I hope I’ve helped a little.

[quote]Foenix wrote:
Sorry to bother everyone with another back pain topic. I am probably going to go see a physio about it, but I thought I would ask you guys first.

Couple years back I really injured my lower right back. Like right on top of my ass pretty much. It hurt to do anything involving my back or stability for a couple months. It healed, but started hurting again about a month ago when I squated and deadlifted. So I eased up on the weight, but it still hurt, and then I switched over to leg press and even that hurt when doing heavy weight.

I gave it about 2 weeks of rest and started slowly easing back into the lifts. Today I squated and deadlifted light, and it was okay but I can still feel it tingling after the workout.

My dad told me I have to stop deadlifting… for ever. I told him that was ridiculous. Has anyone had a similar problem? What do you recommend? Should I just go and see a physio ASAP?

Thanks,

Alex[/quote]

Definitely, go see a sports chiropractic.

“BIG WILLIE” J.T. HALL

Thanks a lot for the feedback guys, especially Synthetic.

There’s a physio at my school who works with the Canadian national rugby team–I’ll see what he has to say. I will keep on trying to keep light weight for my back, and strengthen my abs.

Foenix, this sounds very much like a SC joint injury. I’ve taken sometime off of deadlifting to rehab the same injury (except on the left side), I get it near the lockout portion of my heavier deadlifts.

When do you feel pain during deads?

It’s not like I get it at a certain point of the lift. It’s just a constant pinching pain. Sometimes I don’t even realize it until after the set.

Sounds like nerve pain. Hip mobility, dynamic stretching, and static stretching of the hip flexors, glutes, abs, hamstrings, and calves should help. Keep the weight light until the pain goes away. If you don’t see any improvement soon, go see a doc.

I was unable to squat or deadlift for over a year due to a deadlift injury. The pain was located right on the base of the spine, with alot of tightness in my left spinal erector. After I injured it, it seemed to just progressively get worse. It became much more simple to reaggrivate the injury, and at the peak of my problem I reinjured my back playing raquetball. I am also from canada, and because of that, an MRI is out of the picture.

Our health care system is far too crappy to allow someone with chronic pain to get an MRI within an acceptable time period, unless you get very lucky. Doctors usually don’t really care very much about your problems, and usually send you away with a reccomendation to a bad PT or nothing at all. It was a pretty grim situation for me!

However, what really solved my problem came from a very unexpected source. I made a big effort to think positively, and to just start believing that my back would heal, or was already healed. This change in my thinking made a huge difference, and now after a year of being unable to pick up any weight i’m right back into the heavy deadlifting with no pain whatsoever! Positive thinking can make much more of a difference than you would ever imagine.

I also had a bit of residual muscle tightness in the general area of the injury when it mysteriously disappeared. I found that even self-myofascial release quickly disposed of that. I reccomend trying this, but remember not to neglect other areas in your body. The fascial system is linked throughout your whole body, so a problem-contributing muscle could be located on your abs, glutes, hamstrings, or anywhere else.

Other individuals had told me that myofascial release practitioners were a very effective solution to their respective back problems. For example, I had a cousin with a pretty bad herniated disc. She went through several courses of PT, but after years of pain myofascial release allowed her to heal completely.

Unfortunately during my painful year I wasn’t able to locate a decent one in my area, so I wouldn’t be able to confirm this through personal experience. It’s definitely worth a shot. No amount of money saved is worth what back pain can do to your life. Good luck!

[quote]AndrewBolinger wrote:
I was unable to squat or deadlift for over a year due to a deadlift injury. The pain was located right on the base of the spine, with alot of tightness in my left spinal erector. After I injured it, it seemed to just progressively get worse. It became much more simple to reaggrivate the injury, and at the peak of my problem I reinjured my back playing raquetball. I am also from canada, and because of that, an MRI is out of the picture.

Our health care system is far too crappy to allow someone with chronic pain to get an MRI within an acceptable time period, unless you get very lucky. Doctors usually don’t really care very much about your problems, and usually send you away with a reccomendation to a bad PT or nothing at all. It was a pretty grim situation for me!

However, what really solved my problem came from a very unexpected source. I made a big effort to think positively, and to just start believing that my back would heal, or was already healed. This change in my thinking made a huge difference, and now after a year of being unable to pick up any weight i’m right back into the heavy deadlifting with no pain whatsoever! Positive thinking can make much more of a difference than you would ever imagine.

I also had a bit of residual muscle tightness in the general area of the injury when it mysteriously disappeared. I found that even self-myofascial release quickly disposed of that. I reccomend trying this, but remember not to neglect other areas in your body. The fascial system is linked throughout your whole body, so a problem-contributing muscle could be located on your abs, glutes, hamstrings, or anywhere else.

Other individuals had told me that myofascial release practitioners were a very effective solution to their respective back problems. For example, I had a cousin with a pretty bad herniated disc. She went through several courses of PT, but after years of pain myofascial release allowed her to heal completely.

Unfortunately during my painful year I wasn’t able to locate a decent one in my area, so I wouldn’t be able to confirm this through personal experience. It’s definitely worth a shot. No amount of money saved is worth what back pain can do to your life. Good luck![/quote]

You make excellent points. myofascial release appears to work wonders for a lot of people. Honestly, I do not know much about its application at all. I found the reverse hypers work incredibly well. Does this fall into the category of myofascial release? If it doesn’t, maybe it should, lol.

To the OP, I am not totally anti-PT, but I’ve just had bad experiences with them. As long as the person is qualified and doesn’t make you do stupid things that don’t appear to be releated, you should be fine. Just be careful. If the guy can help, thats epic.

I know here in the States, trying to find ANYONE who knows much about SI is difficult. Most docs want to put metal plates in or send you to a PT which in many cases can be entirely wrong and exacerbate the injury.

My mother’s SI was injured by a PT so badly, she was bound to a wheelchair for about a year. The PT was doing ankle rehab for her and starting moving her entire leg. The PT was a freaking idiot and shouldn’t be allowed the practice. She had to travel to one of three places in the US that did experimental SI joint surgery. The one she went to in Florida was doing a study that she was included int. Lucky for her, the surgery was a success and she’s doing things that wouldn’t be possible w/o surgery.

I want to put this information out there, not for those of us who get pain from lifting, but for anyone or those who know someone with an SI joint problem that will NOT be corrected by any form of therapy. If anyone does need information, I can provide it via PM.

Back to the topic. I would like to say that with SI, every SI injury appears to be individual in terms of healing time, how the injury occurred and can be re-visited. When I re-injured my back 2 weeks ago, I was squatting and while in the hole, I shifted my entire torso back and forth too much and it set off the injury. I have a long torso and lean forward a bit, although not to the point of falling over, no matter how heavy the weight. I was a bit too upright and that was the cause of my injury. Form is always key and understanding what you did is seriously half the battle.

I forgot to ask, do you have any pain going down your leg into your quad or any other part of your leg on the same side? I have that problem and was wondering if you shared the same symptoms.

I used to get the same symptom when squatting where after the set, I would experience a “tightness” in my lower back. Some in my glute, but mostly in my lower back on the same side. Its mild, but the key is keeping everything strong.

I would like to mention I have a slight scoliosis and my right hip sits slightly higher than my left. This IMO has created an instability which might be leading to strength problem in my back. My ponit is that even with this problem, I am still able to overcome the injury. Whatever you do, don’t let any of these doctors or family members discourage you. I know your parents want you to stay healthy. Their intentions are not to make you quit or anything, they just want the best for you.

Honestly, you can overcome your injury. At least I believe you can and thats something that you need to have in your mindset. You can’t let a doc just play god and tell you that you can or can’t do something. Honestly, thats something you know. I’ve had docs tell me I’d never lift again. What little they knew…

Do as much research as possible on back rehabilitation, SI joint pain/injuries, back injuries and anything that induces blood flow and mobility/stability to the back. This will be one of your greatest assets in fixing your injury.

GOOD LUCK!

Thanks again guys for all the feedback and encouragement!

2 years ago, when I first experienced this injury it was much, much worse. Any fast movements would set of a surging pain, even laughing or sneezing. I’m sure that it is the same injury as I am experiencing today, it’s just not nearly as bad as it was back then.

No, I don’t feel any pain in my leg. It is only in this exact spot. Doing hip circles/rotations after a lift can really set it off too. And a month ago, when it was a bit worse, even heavy benching would cause it to hurt.

So, although deadlifting and squating cause the most pain, when the injury progresses any heavy lift is painful.

So I went to see the physio that works at my school today. Apparently, he has also worked with the Canadian National Rugby Team before–so I was expecting someone who knew what they were doing.

I think I told him about three times that my back only hurts when I am doing heavy lifts that are working my legs, specifically squats and deads, and that any sports do not bother it, even grappling. I don’t think he even knew what a deadlift was. He gave me a routine to do three times a day consisting of pelvic tilts and flopping my knees back and forth to loosen up my core.

He ended the session saying I’m going to be able to run by next week, and I should try and not run or do contact sports over the weekend. What an idiot.

[quote]Foenix wrote:
So I went to see the physio that works at my school today. Apparently, he has also worked with the Canadian National Rugby Team before–so I was expecting someone who knew what they were doing.

I think I told him about three times that my back only hurts when I am doing heavy lifts that are working my legs, specifically squats and deads, and that any sports do not bother it, even grappling. I don’t think he even knew what a deadlift was. He gave me a routine to do three times a day consisting of pelvic tilts and flopping my knees back and forth to loosen up my core.

He ended the session saying I’m going to be able to run by next week, and I should try and not run or do contact sports over the weekend. What an idiot.[/quote]

Are you his patient or were you just talking with him? Did he do any type of inspection? If you are his patient, why do you think he’s an idiot?

Foenix, I’m sorry to say, but this is why people are idiots to proven otherwise. Sounds to me like he didn’t really listen to you at all. Just another know it all who spats out info w/o remember that each injury is specific and what works for one won’t work for another.

Pelvic tilts are a joke and won’t help your problem. Just sounds like a good way to crack your back. If you said you can do everything but lift, even grapple and he’s saying you can run by next week, take him out and buy him a hearing aid.

I am really sorry you couldn’t get any help. Sounds to me like he’s so wrapped up in rugby that he doesn’t know anything about any other sport or injuries associated with it, such as weight lifting injuries.

I found myofascial release to be the best. If you can somehow find a platform like a reverse hyper, climb on it and swing your legs, you might feel a lot better. I know it sounds dumb, but as I’ve said before, its helped me out. And if it hurts, just stop and say i’m an idiot, lol. Thats fine by me.

Keep us updated.

[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
Foenix wrote:
So I went to see the physio that works at my school today. Apparently, he has also worked with the Canadian National Rugby Team before–so I was expecting someone who knew what they were doing.

I think I told him about three times that my back only hurts when I am doing heavy lifts that are working my legs, specifically squats and deads, and that any sports do not bother it, even grappling. I don’t think he even knew what a deadlift was. He gave me a routine to do three times a day consisting of pelvic tilts and flopping my knees back and forth to loosen up my core.

He ended the session saying I’m going to be able to run by next week, and I should try and not run or do contact sports over the weekend. What an idiot.

Are you his patient or were you just talking with him? Did he do any type of inspection? If you are his patient, why do you think he’s an idiot? [/quote]

Because of this:

“I told him about three times that my back only hurts when I am doing heavy lifts that are working my legs, specifically squats and deads, and that any sports do not bother it, even grappling.”

and this:

“He ended the session saying I’m going to be able to run by next week, and I should try and not run or do contact sports over the weekend.”

[quote]Franck wrote:
HoratioSandoval wrote:
Foenix wrote:
So I went to see the physio that works at my school today. Apparently, he has also worked with the Canadian National Rugby Team before–so I was expecting someone who knew what they were doing.

I think I told him about three times that my back only hurts when I am doing heavy lifts that are working my legs, specifically squats and deads, and that any sports do not bother it, even grappling. I don’t think he even knew what a deadlift was. He gave me a routine to do three times a day consisting of pelvic tilts and flopping my knees back and forth to loosen up my core.

He ended the session saying I’m going to be able to run by next week, and I should try and not run or do contact sports over the weekend. What an idiot.

Are you his patient or were you just talking with him? Did he do any type of inspection? If you are his patient, why do you think he’s an idiot?

Because of this:

“I told him about three times that my back only hurts when I am doing heavy lifts that are working my legs, specifically squats and deads, and that any sports do not bother it, even grappling.”

and this:

“He ended the session saying I’m going to be able to run by next week, and I should try and not run or do contact sports over the weekend.”

[/quote]

I concur.