Low Testosterone

Training Over 35 Lifter
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[quote]danchubb wrote:
J-J, he mentioned somewhere else that it was actually 300ng/dl - no idea where the 30 came from. And he said he was prescribed androgel.

Regardless, to the OP, I’d go see another doctor, or make the necessary lifestyle modifications to rule out overtraining as a possibility - maybe with adaptogenic support if you thought you needed it. I’d go without testboosters if taking this route, and get re-tested in a few months to re-evaluate. Up to you though.[/quote]

actually, it WAS 30ng/dl. that’s whats so wicked about the whole thing. i don’t even understand how i don’t have boobs, grow facial stubble, or even continued to train like was… though i tend to lack in “explosiveness”

anyway, i plan on seeing another doc, but have decided to try the prescription. also, i’ve begun to cut back on boxing and dropped the 2nd job. any suggestions on the gym? i’m doing 2 total body workouts a week, should i tone down the intensity a bit?

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[quote]sco412 wrote:

anyway, i plan on seeing another doc, but have decided to try the prescription[/quote]

What was the prescription? I may have missed it in other posts. I’m just curious to look in up in my many prescription drug reference books for pharm tech.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
sco412 wrote:

anyway, i plan on seeing another doc, but have decided to try the prescription

What was the prescription? I may have missed it in other posts. I’m just curious to look in up in my many prescription drug reference books for pharm tech.
[/quote]

i wish i could get the name of it, but it’s supposed to be similar to androgel.
the labels read “testosterone cream” and it’s a compound made in the pharmacy i got it filled in.

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[quote]sco412 wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
sco412 wrote:

anyway, i plan on seeing another doc, but have decided to try the prescription

What was the prescription? I may have missed it in other posts. I’m just curious to look in up in my many prescription drug reference books for pharm tech.

i wish i could get the name of it, but it’s supposed to be similar to androgel.
the labels read “testosterone cream” and it’s a compound made in the pharmacy i got it filled in.[/quote]

It should have the active ingredients listed on it even if it is made in the pharmacy. But if you say there isn’t you should go down to the pharmacy when you get a chance to really ask what the active ingredient is. Maybe it’s just “Sugar Cream” and you don’t know?!?! A joke but I like to know what I’m rubbing on my skin especially when it comes to test.

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[quote]sco412 wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
sco412 wrote:

anyway, i plan on seeing another doc, but have decided to try the prescription

What was the prescription? I may have missed it in other posts. I’m just curious to look in up in my many prescription drug reference books for pharm tech.

i wish i could get the name of it, but it’s supposed to be similar to androgel.
the labels read “testosterone cream” and it’s a compound made in the pharmacy i got it filled in.[/quote]

Ah now come off… are you having a laugh ???

You are taking a compound you have no idea what it is ? There at LEAST should be a name on the top of the package, if not go BACK to the pharmacy and ask what exactly they just gave you…

There are FAR to many creams/gels that are useless, i mean we can’t help you if you don’t help yourself.

Secondly go back and get a FULL blood panel, been outlined already you cannot JUST test your testosterone levels without checking the other major hormones, they all impact on one another.

And lastly, i would HIGHLY recommend you exiting this thread and remaking it in the steroid forum OR the Over 35 Forums, yes i know the label goes with it but for gods sake if your test is 300 you need some help :slight_smile:

No offense to those in the Supp place, but no over the counter supplement will raise it from 300 upwards, in the steroid forum or the over 35 people have been seeing and helping people since the dawn of this site. They are far better placed to help you.

Regards :slight_smile:

edit: Also DO NOT self medicate on top of the cream he gave you. Or else you could mistakenly raise your test when your cream could be bunk, therefore robbing yourself of a better alternative. So do NOT again self medicate for now, let your doctor run through the alternatives, so you can see what works for you.

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[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
sco412 wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
sco412 wrote:

anyway, i plan on seeing another doc, but have decided to try the prescription

What was the prescription? I may have missed it in other posts. I’m just curious to look in up in my many prescription drug reference books for pharm tech.

i wish i could get the name of it, but it’s supposed to be similar to androgel.
the labels read “testosterone cream” and it’s a compound made in the pharmacy i got it filled in.

Ah now come off… are you having a laugh ???

You are taking a compound you have no idea what it is ? There at LEAST should be a name on the top of the package, if not go BACK to the pharmacy and ask what exactly they just gave you…

There are FAR to many creams/gels that are useless, i mean we can’t help you if you don’t help yourself.

Secondly go back and get a FULL blood panel, been outlined already you cannot JUST test your testosterone levels without checking the other major hormones, they all impact on one another.

And lastly, i would HIGHLY recommend you exiting this thread and remaking it in the steroid forum OR the Over 35 Forums, yes i know the label goes with it but for gods sake if your test is 300 you need some help :slight_smile:

No offense to those in the Supp place, but no over the counter supplement will raise it from 300 upwards, in the steroid forum or the over 35 people have been seeing and helping people since the dawn of this site. They are far better placed to help you.

Regards :slight_smile:

edit: Also DO NOT self medicate on top of the cream he gave you. Or else you could mistakenly raise your test when your cream could be bunk, therefore robbing yourself of a better alternative. So do NOT again self medicate for now, let your doctor run through the alternatives, so you can see what works for you.[/quote]

thx.
would i have to start a new thread? or could a mod. move this thread to the “over 35” forum?

i’ll try and post the compound when i get a chance.
i was told, repeatedly, over and over, that it’s similar to androgel. x_X
no ingredient list, and no formal name. :confused:

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[quote]sco412 wrote:
thx.
would i have to start a new thread? or could a mod. move this thread to the “over 35” forum?

i’ll try and post the compound when i get a chance.
i was told, repeatedly, over and over, that it’s similar to androgel. x_X
no ingredient list, and no formal name. :/[/quote]

Will only take 2 seconds to remake it !

KSMan is the guy your looking for in the Over 35’s.

If you post in the steroid forum, theres 3-4 people who know their stuff.

And really having a cream with no name is a bit worrying, wtf kind of pharmacy is that !

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With all the recommendations that have been given you should look into getting re tested because those results make no sense for a healthy 25 year old guy

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okay, basically the prescription is supposed to be a creambase form of testosterone.
the pharmacy tells me that the only active ingredients are the testosterone, which is in a powder form or something, and mixed with other stuff to turn it into a creambase.

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Read the “protocol for injections” stick on the over-35

Read this:

Understand T+AI+hCG

Get tested for LH/FSH before taking any TRT. Then you will know if you have testicular failure [primary hypogonadism] or a problem with lack of LH from the pituitary gland.

Some young men have such failures, some have CF:

You could have an adinoma on your pituitary gland. That needs a brain scan. This must always be considered with young men with such problems. Another symptom of that is visual field disturbances such as reduced peripheral vision.

Also test prolactin. If elevated, that also suggests an adinoma. If that is a problem, the levels will be also test high after starting TRT.

A transdermal T cream is a good product, if you absorb.

Also test thyroid: TSH, FT4, FT3. There can be more than one hormone problem when the pituitary has a problem. If your have hypothyroidism, I would be surprised if you can absorb TD cream.

You need to track serum E2 levels.

What has happened to the size and firmness of your testes?
Does your scrotum hang normally or is it pulled up? If normal, that suggests that you do not have a failure to produce LH and primary hypogonadism.

Yes, the amount of info that you need to understand will seem overwhelming.

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wow.
o.0
overwhelming and scary.

my head is spinning, i don’t think i absorbed half of what i read of that yet…
too much info…
ugh, i’ve been using the T-cream for a week now… would it be best to go ahead and get another test done now, or wait a month to retest after using the prescription for awhile like the original doc recommended?

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[quote]sco412 wrote:

ugh, i’ve been using the T-cream for a week now… would it be best to go ahead and get another test done now, or wait a month to retest after using the prescription for awhile like the original doc recommended?[/quote]

Wait till you finish the prescription medication. The reason is they compound a specific quantity and concentration for you to finish to bring up your testosterone levels to a acceptable level.

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To the original poster: definately get a brain scan (MRI, CT, etc.) to check the pituitary.
I had the same problem (TT was 25: range 250-1100) and they found a small adenoma on my pituitary. What it means is TRT and scans every year to see if it’s growing. If you have any questions, let me know.

I’ve done a lot of research on this and have found some studies that possibly relates these problems to E2 so ensure you are also monitoring and controlling E2 (which everyone on TRT should be doing anyway).

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cso, what is the % T and how much are you applying?

Clip your scrotum and apply some there and to your penis. Apply the rest of the dose to your inner arms. Do not waste on chest and shoulders.

After 4 weeks you can get tested to see what your blood levels are. Also test for serum E2 [estradiol]. By then you should know/feel it its working or did work and stopped. Transdermal T does reach stable blood levels quite quickly. You do not want to test too soon in case you absorb well then change to an non absorber. At least with injections, there is no doubt about what your effective dose is. You get what you inject.

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the % T, i’m not sure.
the labels say 100mg/mL; an i apply 1mL daily to my wrist/forearms.

as of right now, i’ve started supping with Rez-V every other day.
and for the brain scan: how much are they without insurance? i’ve seen prices range from $300-$3000. o.O probably depends on the area, yeah?

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sco - no insurance?

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nada
:confused:

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[quote]sco412 wrote:
the % T, i’m not sure.
the labels say 100mg/mL; an i apply 1mL daily to my wrist/forearms.[/quote]

10% testosterone per 1 mL.

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That’s a good compounded product you have. 5-10% works well. Is it cream or gel? In my experience with transdermals cream works WAY better but leaves a slight residue. Gel drys nicely but does not absorb as well.