Low Testosterone

thanks for the replies.

my diet is sorta low-carb, i guess. i eat my fruits and veggies. i usually eat carbs in the morning and around working out. since the V-Diet i really don’t eat junk food anymore.

would lifting before they took the blood test effect the results? because i did lift earlier the day they took it…
also, i’ll get another test in a month or so. my plan is to go through a cycle of TRIBEX and take some ‘downtime’ for awhile. see what happens from there…

You’re just going to fuckin’ waste your money buying all that shit. Test that low is rare. You need to listen to these guys and go see a good specialist. One who doesn’t have his head up his ass and can get on the same page with you and all of us here.

@23 I got blood work done and I was around 750. Barely slept, good diet but also was stressed out all the time. I was surprised my test wasn’t lower.

You keeping your good fats up nice and high? This just is kind of peculiar to say the least. Could be hereditary maybe… You father grandpa ever have issues?

If find something that works, or what was going on let us (and especially me know!).

I am mid-20’s and had blood work done a little while ago and I was repeatedly low-normal Test and low free test. Levels of other hormones checked out (FSH, Estradiol, etc) so not sure what was going on, and the doc and endo couldn’t help either…

[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
You’re just going to fuckin’ waste your money buying all that shit. Test that low is rare. You need to listen to these guys and go see a good specialist. One who doesn’t have his head up his ass and can get on the same page with you and all of us here.

@23 I got blood work done and I was around 750. Barely slept, good diet but also was stressed out all the time. I was surprised my test wasn’t lower.

You keeping your good fats up nice and high? This just is kind of peculiar to say the least. Could be hereditary maybe… You father grandpa ever have issues?[/quote]

i believe you’re right.
i don’t understand how/why my T-levels are so low while still having the energy to train at all. after my cycle with TRIBEX i’m planning to go see an endocrinologist. i’m not going to the same doctor again. all of you have told me more than he has/would.
i’ll try to get a few more carbs and healthy fats in, too.

[quote]sco412 wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
You’re just going to fuckin’ waste your money buying all that shit. Test that low is rare. You need to listen to these guys and go see a good specialist. One who doesn’t have his head up his ass and can get on the same page with you and all of us here.

@23 I got blood work done and I was around 750. Barely slept, good diet but also was stressed out all the time. I was surprised my test wasn’t lower.

You keeping your good fats up nice and high? This just is kind of peculiar to say the least. Could be hereditary maybe… You father grandpa ever have issues?

i believe you’re right.
i don’t understand how/why my T-levels are so low while still having the energy to train at all. after my cycle with TRIBEX i’m planning to go see an endocrinologist. i’m not going to the same doctor again. all of you have told me more than he has/would.
i’ll try to get a few more carbs and healthy fats in, too.[/quote]

I would at least run the lab again. You can always order the lab yourself or at least get a saliva test. You could always see Dr. Crisler in Michigan then follow-up over phone, but I belive he does not take insurance, but your medications and labs should still be covered.

Why would you go to an endocrinologist AFTER you use TRIBEX? You either have primary or secondary hypogonadism that needs to be treated with some form of TRT OR you may have a more serious condition that is causing the lower T levels. There is no reason for you to try to influence the test results by taking TRIBEX. If you had planned to self medicate from the start then I could understand starting with a T booster (not that it will do anything for someone with levels as low as yours) but since you are going to the doctor you should let him determine a course of action. Post the doctors advice with as much detail as possible if you think the advice is sub par. You will get the best feedback in the Over 35 forum.

hmmmm…
i do plan on switching docs, going to a specialist no doubt.
i suppose i’m just hoping it’s not really that serious, not really that low, but… i mean, i just went in for a simple checkup, hadn’t had one in ages, and simply asked the doc to add T-levels to the test out of curiosity… :confused:
i don’t have insurance right now, so of course i’d hope for a cheaper, simpler solution…
crap. so the TRIBEX won’t do anything, yeah???

[quote]icecold wrote:
sco412 wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
You’re just going to fuckin’ waste your money buying all that shit. Test that low is rare. You need to listen to these guys and go see a good specialist. One who doesn’t have his head up his ass and can get on the same page with you and all of us here.

@23 I got blood work done and I was around 750. Barely slept, good diet but also was stressed out all the time. I was surprised my test wasn’t lower.

You keeping your good fats up nice and high? This just is kind of peculiar to say the least. Could be hereditary maybe… You father grandpa ever have issues?

i believe you’re right.
i don’t understand how/why my T-levels are so low while still having the energy to train at all. after my cycle with TRIBEX i’m planning to go see an endocrinologist. i’m not going to the same doctor again. all of you have told me more than he has/would.
i’ll try to get a few more carbs and healthy fats in, too.

I would at least run the lab again. You can always order the lab yourself or at least get a saliva test. You could always see Dr. Crisler in Michigan then follow-up over phone, but I belive he does not take insurance, but your medications and labs should still be covered.
[/quote]

Who is Dr Crisler? Where does he practice?

[quote]sco412 wrote:
hmmmm…
i do plan on switching docs, going to a specialist no doubt.
i suppose i’m just hoping it’s not really that serious, not really that low, but… i mean, i just went in for a simple checkup, hadn’t had one in ages, and simply asked the doc to add T-levels to the test out of curiosity… :confused:
i don’t have insurance right now, so of course i’d hope for a cheaper, simpler solution…
crap. so the TRIBEX won’t do anything, yeah???[/quote]

If your T is actually 30, and what reason do you have to believe otherwise at this point, then no TRIBEX will not fix the problem. Get a full hormone panel done by a specialist THEN decide on a course of action.

EDIT
And if your new doc knows what he’s doing he’s going to ask you what supplements you are taking. If you tell him youre taking a T booster the day you go in for a hormone test what do you he’ll tell you?

Guys,

If one is going to check out T levels, what specific things should be tested for?

e.g.

Total Test
Free Test
Estradiol
Progesterone

?

If anybody knows, I’d like to take some notes here so I know what to ask for in case my own doc isn’t savvy enough to do his job.

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Guys,

If one is going to check out T levels, what specific things should be tested for?

e.g.

Total Test
Free Test
Estradiol
Progesterone

?

If anybody knows, I’d like to take some notes here so I know what to ask for in case my own doc isn’t savvy enough to do his job.[/quote]

All of those you listed. Like Bone said it’s best to get a full blood panel showing all your hormone levels and having a Dr. who’s willing to explain it (knows how) to you.

D

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
30??? You must be reading that wrong. Anything below 300 is considered very low, thirty would put you in the eunich category. 300 to 800 is considered normal ranges although 500 to 900 is ideal. Have your Doc breakdown the full panel to you in regard to your correct test level, free test level, estrodial level, as well as other hormones such as TSH.

If slightly low then Alpha Male can and may help, but if it’s due to some other health related reason then prescription help may be the answer. Your Doc should know and give you a better understanding of this.

D[/quote]

These numbers are of no use whatsoever when no-one uses any method of measurement… for example, ng/Dl?

There are more than one ways to skin a cat and as this is the case, there are more than one ways to measure T.

Don’t confuse the lad just because you don’t know this. Surely when he gave you the range you could have figured it out…

[quote]sco412 wrote:
they prescribed a testosterone compound (couldn’t get a name). i was thinking of taking Alpha Male. i don’t plan on taking both at once, however, would Alpha Male do the trick?
[/quote]

Why don’t you just use the compound they prescribed… or do you mean ‘suggested’?

You don’t go to the doctor for blood tests to then get the results and self medicate, what aren’t you saying here?

The doc would not have given you the result (being off the scale low) and then told you to go self prescribe with some unnamed ‘Testosterone Compound’…

What did he say?
Did he tell you to come back for another test?
Did he mention TRT?
Did he refer you to an endo?
Did he prescribe a drug or did he recommend a course of action?

If not you are saying that on giving you the results he basically told you to deal with it and kicked you out of his office?

Also - why would the ‘supps and nutrition’ section be educated on how to correct hypogonadism?
Clearly some will be… but you would be better in one of the two sections on the site who actually deal with this issue day in and day out…

JMO.

Best of luck…

[quote]J-J wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
30??? You must be reading that wrong. Anything below 300 is considered very low, thirty would put you in the eunich category. 300 to 800 is considered normal ranges although 500 to 900 is ideal. Have your Doc breakdown the full panel to you in regard to your correct test level, free test level, estrodial level, as well as other hormones such as TSH.

If slightly low then Alpha Male can and may help, but if it’s due to some other health related reason then prescription help may be the answer. Your Doc should know and give you a better understanding of this.

D

These numbers are of no use whatsoever when no-one uses any method of measurement… for example, ng/Dl?

There are more than one ways to skin a cat and as this is the case, there are more than one ways to measure T.

Don’t confuse the lad just because you don’t know this. Surely when he gave you the range you could have figured it out…

[/quote]

I was going by the common method of measurement to my understanding. Seems he’s still not quite sure nor our we, but thanks for the clarification anyway.

D

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Guys,

If one is going to check out T levels, what specific things should be tested for?

e.g.

Total Test
Free Test
Estradiol
Progesterone

?

If anybody knows, I’d like to take some notes here so I know what to ask for in case my own doc isn’t savvy enough to do his job.[/quote]

On a related subject - if your doctor is not competent enough to do this simple task, one that he should have to do at some point for EVERY male in his surgery, then why stay with the doctor at all?

Surely this is one of the ONLY benefits to having to pay for health cover?!

thanks for the advice guys.
i went ahead and got the prescription filled. it’s a testosterone cream.
i suppose i’ll go ahead and try it. i think it may have been a pride issue that stopped me before…
anyway, thanks again.
guess i’ll try this out and make an appointment with a specialist.
i’ll post updates whenever.
^_^&

[quote]London Runner wrote:
This may interest you, then again, it may not;

Greek researchers did a trial with just under three hundred infertile men, whose sperm count was low and most of whom had low levels of testosterone production. The researchers gave the men either 20 mg tamoxifen, 60 mg toremifene or 60 mg raloxifene daily for three months. The table below shows what happened to the menâ??s LH, FSH and testosterone levels.

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Raloxifene has little effect on the testosterone level, so itâ??s not an interesting candidate for a Post Cycle Therapy supplement. Toremifene is somewhat better, but doesnâ??t perform as well as tamoxifen, and it loses its maximum effect after two months as well.

To complete the story weâ??ve added the table below, which shows the effect of the three on sperm cells. Once again, raloxifene performs less well than tamoxifen and toremifene.

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The researchers suspect that the two more effective SERMs not only work through the bodyâ??s hormonal thermostat, thereby inducing the pituitary gland to make more messenger hormones [which in turn get the testes to produce more testosterone]. They think that tamoxifen and toremifene also have a direct effect on the testosterone producing cells.

LR[/quote]

I wonder why clomid was left out of this comparison study. Does anyone have data simialar to this in regards to clomids effects on hormone levels?

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
Guys,

If one is going to check out T levels, what specific things should be tested for?

e.g.

Total Test
Free Test
Estradiol
Progesterone

?

If anybody knows, I’d like to take some notes here so I know what to ask for in case my own doc isn’t savvy enough to do his job.

All of those you listed. Like Bone said it’s best to get a full blood panel showing all your hormone levels and having a Dr. who’s willing to explain it (knows how) to you.

D[/quote]

Are those the only four things you should be asking about?

J-J, he mentioned somewhere else that it was actually 300ng/dl - no idea where the 30 came from. And he said he was prescribed androgel.

Regardless, to the OP, I’d go see another doctor, or make the necessary lifestyle modifications to rule out overtraining as a possibility - maybe with adaptogenic support if you thought you needed it. I’d go without testboosters if taking this route, and get re-tested in a few months to re-evaluate. Up to you though.

[quote]danchubb wrote:
J-J, he mentioned somewhere else that it was actually 300ng/dl - no idea where the 30 came from. And he said he was prescribed androgel.

Regardless, to the OP, I’d go see another doctor, or make the necessary lifestyle modifications to rule out overtraining as a possibility - maybe with adaptogenic support if you thought you needed it. I’d go without testboosters if taking this route, and get re-tested in a few months to re-evaluate. Up to you though.[/quote]

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