Love Handles w/ Low BF

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[quote]Hriliu999 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Here are some pictures of me at my leanest (10.1%bf). Note the handles. I’m about 166lbs here at 5’7". I’m now at 183lbs and still wearing the same pants. No matter how mu weight changes, my waist stays the same.

At the risk of sounding condescending, I’d say your bf testing is innaccurate. Whilst you do have a blocky waist the top row of abs should be clearly visible at this level of bf.

That said, the distribution of your body fat - as some posters have alluded to - suggests you’ve got some hormonal issues going on. Don Alessi and Charles Poliquin have written quite extensively on the subect.

There’s an article of Alessi’s floating around that calls for high density/volume training along with substantially increasing your intake of fibrous veg and healthy fats that I think would be of interest to you. I’ll search around and post the link.

Cheers J.[/quote]

That would be great. Thanks.

Wasn’t the best lighting and I didn’t grease myself up or pump myself up. My top abs were very clear in person. Just not a great picture.

The BF testing was conducted at local physical therapy clininc by a professional therapist using skin-fold. I had it done every month as I went from 179lbs to 166lbs over the course of 12 weeks. I’m sure there is a ± factor.

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[quote]MickeyG wrote:
It’s hard to tell from those pictures if you have love handles or just thick oblique development. I’d be more concerned about the fact that you look like Chuy The Mexican Wolf Boy :slight_smile:
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Dude, that is awesome!

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Unlike you, I’m not a little teenie-bopper who is a slave to the lastest trends :wink: [/quote]

LOL. I haven’t seen a trend in ages… oh to be young again, sigh.

[quote]I don’t base my judgements on right and wrong on what is available to me. What kind of man would say something is wrong only until it becomes convenient for them to take the opposite stance?

The fact that some douches in 2006 think it is acceptable to pop their collars doesn’t make it right.

The fact that in 2006 some “less than manly” people see nothing wrong with tweezing eyebrows, highlighting their hair, wearing makeup, or eating quiche doesn’t make any of those things right.

Remember this:

Effiminate vanity will never be a masculine trait.
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Are you trying to bring the politics forum up here? This has nothing to do with anything. We’re talking about body composition and being able to display your results better.

Do you wear deodorant, shave, brush your teeth? Some things are plain hygiene… and the rest are damned scary. However, projecting your values onto everyone is all you are trying to do.

[quote]I went back and reread the original post, and I can’t see where it says “Please only post opinions on liposuction that make me feel all warm and fuzzy.”

In fact, it specifically asks for opinions on the statement that “said some people can never get rid of the handles no matter how lean without surgery. It’s a genetic thing.”

The problem is that what he meant to write is, “I’m too lazy to educate myself about diet and exercise and then combine that knowledge with discipline to lower my bodyfat to a level where my love handles disappear and I retain an acceptable level of muscle. Post your statements of agreement below.”[/quote]

Yeah, I have read your posts on the topic, I see your point.

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Judgemental bastard.[/quote]

Hypocrite.

Quit being a whiny little girl because I disagree with some aspects of your opinion.

What the hell are you talking about? Does this reveal something hidden about your psyche or something?

LOL. I think you are a closet homo and try to hide it by exuding masculine opinions and attitudes to make up for it.

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[quote]vroom wrote:

LOL. I think you are a closet homo and try to hide it by exuding masculine opinions and attitudes to make up for it.[/quote]

You find exuding feminine opinions and attitudes is more heterosexual?

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Those are some wicked, ninja like quote tab skills you guys have.

I know it may seem like blasphemy, but how about endurance work, like cycling, for several hours per session and long distance.

It’s not great for size, but it will get you lean. Once the desired level of leanness is achieved, start from scratch with a better diet plan for lean gains.

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Lord willing, maybe this will quiet some of the arguing. This is Tim Pattersons (Biotest)direct quote from the new HOT-ROX Extreme forum. Check out the forum “Genetics play a major role in your leanness at all levels. Regarding averages, however, most males should be able to get sub-10 percent without too much problem. And depending upon how you carry fat – where the depot sites are located – you can look great or pudgy at 10 percent.”

Just my thought but I think Mr Patterson is correct.

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[quote]osito wrote:
“Genetics play a major role in your leanness at all levels. Regarding averages, however, most males should be able to get sub-10 percent without too much problem. And depending upon how you carry fat – where the depot sites are located – you can look great or pudgy at 10 percent.” [/quote]

I don’t think doogie is going to like you… :wink:

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May God Bless us all. I wasn’t trying to offend anyone and was just hopin’ maybe an experts ie:(Tim Patterson T-Nation Staffer/Biotest) quote would help solve the dilema as it seems out of hand. I found the quote when reading about the newest HOT-ROX Extreme and thought maybe it would be enlightening to all of those with the love handle/body fat issue.I am new to the site as a member(been readin for a while now)and all the “name callin” etc ain’t what I’m here for. I’m just trying to live life and learn a lil somthin’ more from those with the knowledge. Thanx

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Hey, guys. No need to start fighting. If you go back to my first post I was simply asking about lower belly fat possibly being genetic (like high biceps or skinny calves). I was watching a fitness show on TV and the “expert” who was a doctor (of what, I don’t know) said some guys will NEVER get rid of the love handles. I used my example as a guy who lost a lot of fat and STILL had handles.

I may try a lower carbo diet. I tried the low-carb thing years ago and my wife made me quit because she said I had “protein rage”. I like my carbs. Meat gets very old after a while.

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Vroom,

I thought that quote was more supportive of my position. It’s telling that you ignore the “most males should be able to get sub-10 percent without too much problem” to focus on the “blame the genetics” part.

Sure you can look crappy at 10%. That tells you to put down the ho-hos and get below it.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
blah blah blah[/quote]

Dude, read the quote again… some people still don’t look so hot at that level… and then give it a rest already. I think everybody is beyond caring.

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Didn’t see much info about any specific exercises. We are over 35 and will not look like teenage boys.
Don’t desire to, nor find it necessary.

Cracks me up when people list what the body fat percent is. Your freakin lungs raise you body fat level. Like the 1/10ths of a per cent.

Try suitcase deads and heavy waiter’s walks. I teach these to my fellow old folks. As least they tighten up the love handles.

How hung up on your body can anybody be, to be male and worry about this?

His first post was do some people lean towards love handles. The answer was yes.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
doogie wrote:
blah blah blah

Dude, read the quote again… some people still don’t look so hot at that level… and then give it a rest already. I think everybody is beyond caring.[/quote]

You read it again. It says some people don’t look so hot at 10% (I never said otherwise) but you can get BELOW 10% without too much problem. It doesn’t say “some people can never get rid of the handles no matter how lean without surgery.” That is the original topic of the thread–is surgery the ONLY way for some people to get lean.

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[quote]Gary John wrote:

His first post was do some people lean towards love handles. The answer was yes.[/quote]

That wasn’t his firt post. The first post said:

"I saw a show on TV (one of those makeover shows) and a doctor said some people can never get rid of the handles no matter how lean without surgery. It’s a genetic thing.

Thoughts?"

The answer is no.

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Doogie,

You’ve got a wad in your shorts over this issue don’t you?

Anyway, here is the relevant statement against your viewpoint… most males should be able to get sub-10 percent without too much problem. It is easy to take the full statement various ways, but it doesn’t really prove anything.

However, strangely… most <> all.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Hriliu999 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Here are some pictures of me at my leanest (10.1%bf). Note the handles. I’m about 166lbs here at 5’7". I’m now at 183lbs and still wearing the same pants. No matter how mu weight changes, my waist stays the same.

At the risk of sounding condescending, I’d say your bf testing is innaccurate. Whilst you do have a blocky waist the top row of abs should be clearly visible at this level of bf.

That said, the distribution of your body fat - as some posters have alluded to - suggests you’ve got some hormonal issues going on. Don Alessi and Charles Poliquin have written quite extensively on the subect.

There’s an article of Alessi’s floating around that calls for high density/volume training along with substantially increasing your intake of fibrous veg and healthy fats that I think would be of interest to you. I’ll search around and post the link.

Cheers J.

That would be great. Thanks.

Wasn’t the best lighting and I didn’t grease myself up or pump myself up. My top abs were very clear in person. Just not a great picture.

The BF testing was conducted at local physical therapy clininc by a professional therapist using skin-fold. I had it done every month as I went from 179lbs to 166lbs over the course of 12 weeks. I’m sure there is a ± factor.
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If you google search it you’ll most likely find it.

That said, if you search the diet and training archives here you’ll find similar type direction. To be brief, you need to get your carbs down to less than 100g per day, jack up the cruciferous veg and fish oils alot - I mean alot! (they have anti-estrogenic properties) and ensure adequate hydration. Basically, you’ll fine tune the T-Dawg diet.

Training-wise, you need to be significantly bumping up volume, intensity and variety. Take a look at the Waterbury Summer Project series.

To my mind there is no way your bf is low enough to entertain the notion of genetically cursed love handles. Spend a month or two cutting per the above recommendations and I’m certain your waistline will tighten up noticeably.
Cheers J.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Doogie,

You’ve got a wad in your shorts over this issue don’t you?

[/quote]

Just a lot of time on my hands…

We’ve both been around here long enough to know I don’t treat the forums like part of the “real world”. Sometimes it’s education, most of the time it’s entertainment.

This time I just really think it’s funny that you haven’t been able to let this go. It shouldn’t make a fat baby’s dick bit of difference to you that I think getting lipo or utrasound makes you a lazy bastard, yet you keep coming back trying to change my mind.

I’m starting to feel bad about it, so here goes:

Vroom, you’ve convinced me there is nothing wrong with giving up and getting liposuction or ultrasound. I give you my full permission to undergo whatever cosmetic procedures you desire. I’ll even help you find a good doc:

http://www.wellnesskliniek.com/E_genital_surgery_01.htm

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Yeah, yeah. Somewhere in this thread I already said I have a couple of years to go to see where I can get on my own.

Also, considering something is not the same as planning to do it.

However, I do think it is important to realize that some folks have additional challenges or different issues.

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Just cracked me up to see over 90 posts
about the subject. I didn’t bother reading most of them. Too many 12-year olds post on T-Nation.

Love it when one guy answers every post.

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[quote]Gary John wrote:
Too many 12-year olds post on T-Nation.[/quote]

Yep. Pretty fair amount of smug, condescending folks as well.