Louie Simmons....WTF?

Louie isn’t a crossfit trainer. After Rippetoe told Crossfit to shove off, somebody at Crossfit HQ hired Louie Simmons to do there powerlifting certs, i.e. Crossfit guys come to Louies gym to hear him talk about his training methods. Also, he trains a bunch of college athletes, wrestlers, and MMA fighters.

Louie’s gym is free to those invited to train there. He also pays his lifters for winning competitions. He has to pay the bills someway.

He had a ‘home’ model glute ham raise awhile ago, that was sold on TV informercials. He was in the commercials wearing a sweater that I hear are pretty funny, but nobody posted them.

Tate who Louie had about 20 years of coaching in and was pretty much responsible for turning into a high level powerlifter, left and started Elite which Louie got very little $$ from.

Now, Louie has stuff sold through Rogue fitness, which started as a Crossfit gym then starting selling equipment to the growing Crossfit market. They also have GSA contracts now and sell a lot of equipment to military bases/gyms that are starting Crossfit gyms like crazy. Its capitalizing on a very big market.

Additionally, the Crossfit games winner from this year just got a Reebok sponsorship and there is like a 10 year deal between Reebox and Crossfit HQ now. This is big bucks. The winner of the games this year got $25k from a Progenex sponsorship, and Progenex is a sham. Now, Reebok may put $100,000 on the line for next years game. Now we will have real athletes showing up for the games.

Just adding my two cents. From what I have seen Simmons uses every tool he can get his hands on. Are Indian Clubs gimmicky? What about his bamboo barbell that he loads with Kettlebells? The guy is a self taught genius, and while he might lack the formal education to promote his discoveries scientifically, if he says it works, it works. I didnt listen to the video but its also very likely that the guy in the video is not a powerlifter but some type of injured athlete that requires some rotational power in the hips without alot of stress. Simmons has exercises like that for days.

I’m willing to bet that fifteen twenty years ago people saw him doing reverse hyperextensions on 2x4 in a squat rack and thought “this guy is fucking crazy”

Not sure if it was mentioned already, but years ago he wrote about kettlebells and how they’ve become popular…again. The guy knows they’re simply tools and not an exercise philosophy in and of themselves.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
So I Googled him and everything I came across was bad ass. How hard did you have to search to find this? Do you have some sort of motive?[/quote]

Well yeah, he’s the founder of Westside barbell. I didnt search for the vid at all, it was on my “recommended videos” in my youtube account. I study Louie and Westside religiously. Its just sad to see that he’s willing to sell out for money and to keep his name current. [/quote]

Sell out? Sell out? He sold out by finding a use for kettlebells? He sold out by finding a use for another apparatus?

You, some guy on the internet, have the audacity to call out Louie Simmons and say he sold out for money?

Seriously, who the fuck do you think you are?(that’s not rhetorical)[/quote]

Louie Simmons, a man who has dedicated his life to powerlifting, suddenly gets crossfit certified and uses kettlebells once they become popular. Im pretty sure thats fucking selling out. Thats like a band changing their genre to become main stream. Fucking look at the guy, hes a god damn powerlifter, not some sort of kettlebell mobility freak. Have you never seen a Westside video, or read any Westside literature?

Who the fuck are you?

For god sakes, the man has come to just about as close to mastering the squat as you can get, and he says that movement “builds your hips” if you dont know thats bullshit I dont have much hope for ya
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First of all, I know it’s fashionable to rant on crossfit here, for reasons beyond me, but Louie trains athletes, not just powerlifters, and crossfit does have value. Damn near every MMA fighter now is training in a crossfit manner. 99% of the people here that talk shit about crossfit don’t even look as good or are as in good shape as a crossfitter. So he’s selling out because he’s using other approaches to TRAIN ATHLETES? Next, Louie has for years been using all types of mobility stuff. Never saw facepulls with bands, etc? What does it matter it’s a kettlebell? Why don’t you try the movement and then judge? I hardly see selling out here.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
I should add that its not so much that hes using kettlebells, that I dont have a problem with, its what hes doing with them. That movement is not even remotely benefiting anyone in the slightest. [/quote]

I like when people call others a “sell out.”

It generally means they’re pretentious young white people who don’t know shit about shit and got put in garbage cans in high school[/quote]

People on this site are so quick to personally attack others, without knowing anything about them. “Pretentious young white people.”

Can I assume your a down to earth, old, non white person?[/quote]

This is really precious. Your thread is attacking a guy unnecessarily and without good cause, and here you come above, bitching and moaning about being attacked. You can’t make this stuff up. Are you taking your prescribed medication dude?

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.[/quote]

Yes, he thought about Verkoshansky a lot.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Still waiting for a REAL powerlifters opinion on this. Someone that has trained under a Westside program, and knows the flaws of todays physical culture.

To be honest Im almost offended, Louie is one of my heroes because I thought he was just a bad ass powerlifter, no gimmicks no bullshit… but this plus the crossfit thing is just sad.[/quote]

<---------- REAL powerlifter, trained over 10 years under Westside program, and knows the flaws of some of the idiots that post here. And there is NOTHING wrong with crossfit.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.[/quote]

I actually really agree with this guy.

I hate when people read books and then believe what they read. It’s so fucking stupid. Like those NASA morons - you need DEGREES to build rockets? Bullshit. I could do that in my basement with a bag of pot, duct tape and some PVC pipes.

Jesus never had books either - He was all about free thinking.

Think about it, dumbfucks… . Free think about it.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
personally attack others[/quote]

This is ironic, because you know of the thread you just made.[/quote]

Really?.. You really cant tell the difference between me disagreeing with the actions of a public figure, and someone calling me a dip shit?[/quote]

But there is rich evidence in the form of your confessional posts here that you ARE a dipshit and there is no evidence that LS is a sell out.

I love how guys come one here and scream about someone being a sellout or asking WTF like they are some sort of expert at things. I am not going to lie and say I have a REMOTE idea of what Louie Simmons is doing nor do I even follow powerlifting to a serious degree; but given the number of people he has helped to achieve elite levels in the sport and the number of people he has helped to just plain become better, I would assume he knows what he is doing.

I also find people calling the use of kettlebells “gimmicky” laughable. I weigh 280 and am only 5’8" so kettlebells for conditioning and mobility benefits makes a hell of a lot of sense to me, moreso than breaking another treadmill or getting shinsplints going out jogging. And people seem to forget that about 60 or 70 years ago, before the Weiders started their takeover of bodybuilding and separating shit to make money; strongman, bodybuilding and powerlifting was all in the same arena and you saw guys using kettlebells all the time.

Now, every time some guy from one discipline uses something from another discipline some know-t-all zealot starts screaming out sellout and traitor. Fuck that, I do this shit to have fun and if fun for me is slinging kettlebells one day, dragging a sled and doing a Farmer’s Walk the next and doing benches and curls to see how big I can get my damn arms and chest I could care less what a kid that is young enough to be my son has to say.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…

calm down people.

I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]

THANK YOU…

I post a video for discussion and everyone gets all ass hurt…

Its like telling christians you dont believe in god

CALM THE FUCK DOWN[/quote]

Well you failed miserably in attempting to start a “discussion.” You wrote:

“Louie Simmons…WTF?” as the title of your thread. Then underneath the video you wrote, “One of the greatest powerlifting coaches of all time… this saddens me.”

That’s disrespecting one of the greatest coaches in the world. And yet somehow you didn’t see this coming?

I was under the impression that Louie does what works to build strength as efficiently as possible…forgive me if I’m mistaken, but from every interview I have seen, and everyone I know who has trained at his gym, he doesn’t seem like the type of guy to waste his time. I’m pretty sure that is the whole premise behind the Westside protocol, and not going with traditional periodization. So I guess I’m confused how using a different modality (KB) makes him a sellout when he pretty much made his name by incorporating other modalities (chains, bands, reverse hyper) for getting stronger.

As far as crossfit goes, if you don’t like it, don’t do it. I think crossfit should be applauded for getting the best of the best to teach different portions of their coursework. Would you rather learn astrophysics from Stephen Hawking or from your high school physics teacher? It’s not like Louie is going out and doing crossfit workouts every other day or something.

But I don’t know, my opinion probably doesn’t count since I haven’t personally had Louie spot me on my squat.

I know the core argument is a dead horse by now, but really? REALLY? The core is the center of something and the core is the hips? Ugh, don’t argue anatomy if you haven’t had any type of training in that realm. I personally liked Meister’s response when he actually listed the structures, and then you responded like a petulant child. Anyway BBB is right, no frank definition, but the core is generally agreed upon by most professionals with a background in anatomy to be the pelvic floor, diaphragm, abdominal musculature, and the multifidi/rotatores/transversospinales… sorry I couldn’t let that one go without commenting.

[quote]Thy. wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.[/quote]

Yes, he thought about Verkoshansky a lot.[/quote]

Very good point. Simmons was/is an innovator for sure, but he did not invent conjugate periodization. He took the idea and developed a specific method which became the Westside Method. This isn’t to take away from his accomplishments or respectability. I’m just informing.

Anyway, this thread is hilarious

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Still waiting for a REAL powerlifters opinion on this. Someone that has trained under a Westside program, and knows the flaws of todays physical culture.

To be honest Im almost offended, Louie is one of my heroes because I thought he was just a bad ass powerlifter, no gimmicks no bullshit… but this plus the crossfit thing is just sad.[/quote]

<---------- REAL powerlifter, trained over 10 years under Westside program, and knows the flaws of some of the idiots that post here. And there is NOTHING wrong with crossfit.

[/quote]

That last statement makes you not a real powerlifter…

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…

calm down people.

I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]

THANK YOU…

I post a video for discussion and everyone gets all ass hurt…

Its like telling christians you dont believe in god

CALM THE FUCK DOWN[/quote]

Well you failed miserably in attempting to start a “discussion.” You wrote:

“Louie Simmons…WTF?” as the title of your thread. Then underneath the video you wrote, “One of the greatest powerlifting coaches of all time… this saddens me.”

That’s disrespecting one of the greatest coaches in the world. And yet somehow you didn’t see this coming?[/quote]

Didnt know everyone would get ass hurt, like he’s their fucking daddy

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…

calm down people.

I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]

THANK YOU…

I post a video for discussion and everyone gets all ass hurt…

Its like telling christians you dont believe in god

CALM THE FUCK DOWN[/quote]

Well you failed miserably in attempting to start a “discussion.” You wrote:

“Louie Simmons…WTF?” as the title of your thread. Then underneath the video you wrote, “One of the greatest powerlifting coaches of all time… this saddens me.”

That’s disrespecting one of the greatest coaches in the world. And yet somehow you didn’t see this coming?[/quote]

Didnt know everyone would get ass hurt, like he’s their fucking daddy[/quote]

That right there shows how little you know about Louie and his influence on weight training.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…

calm down people.

I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]

THANK YOU…

I post a video for discussion and everyone gets all ass hurt…

Its like telling christians you dont believe in god

CALM THE FUCK DOWN[/quote]

Well you failed miserably in attempting to start a “discussion.” You wrote:

“Louie Simmons…WTF?” as the title of your thread. Then underneath the video you wrote, “One of the greatest powerlifting coaches of all time… this saddens me.”

That’s disrespecting one of the greatest coaches in the world. And yet somehow you didn’t see this coming?[/quote]

Didnt know everyone would get ass hurt, like he’s their fucking daddy[/quote]

That right there shows how little you know about Louie and his influence on weight training.[/quote]

Like I said, I follow him too… but him swinging fucking 7lb kettlebells around in a circle and saying it will “build the shit” out of your hips makes me shake my head. I know things that are wrong when I see/do them, and that fucking exercise doesnt do a god damn thing.

http://www.combatgold1.co.uk/images/funny/misc/how-trolls-really-work.png

I bet the OP is going to say he was trolling, in order to try and save face from his catastrophic fuck up

Those aren macebells, not Indian clubs.

These are Indian clubs

http://www.indianclubswinging.co.uk/buyindianclubs.htm

Hes also using them incorrectly, and if you know ANYTHING about club work, then you know that.

Like I said, the man is a powerlifting god, but he can barelly lift his arms over his head… why would I take mobility advice from him?

JUST cause he’s Louie Simmons… to me thats a stupid reason.

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Russaldo wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…

calm down people.

I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]

THANK YOU…

I post a video for discussion and everyone gets all ass hurt…

Its like telling christians you dont believe in god

CALM THE FUCK DOWN[/quote]

Well you failed miserably in attempting to start a “discussion.” You wrote:

“Louie Simmons…WTF?” as the title of your thread. Then underneath the video you wrote, “One of the greatest powerlifting coaches of all time… this saddens me.”

That’s disrespecting one of the greatest coaches in the world. And yet somehow you didn’t see this coming?[/quote]

Didnt know everyone would get ass hurt, like he’s their fucking daddy[/quote]

That right there shows how little you know about Louie and his influence on weight training.[/quote]

Like I said, I follow him too… but him swinging fucking 7lb kettlebells around in a circle and saying it will “build the shit” out of your hips makes me shake my head. I know things that are wrong when I see/do them, and that fucking exercise doesnt do a god damn thing.[/quote]

You don’t know nearly as much as you’d like to think you do.