So you create intra abdominal pressure for core stability when squatting- with your hips?
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cope Wintergreen. Yummy.[/quote]
Any dip that is wintergreen is a win.
Except hawken… that stuff is just weird. Cube cut? [/quote]
Long cut.
And, this douche bag has a weird physio book, I mean mines pretty old, but the definition of core still matches the one today, so I’m guessing two definitions, plus several Louie Simmons/Dave Tate/Jim Wendler/&c. manuals/articles/videos saying the same thing must mean that core means more than just hips, but also means abs and certain other parts of your body. I mean seriously, I believe it was either Louie or Dave or maybe Ripptoe who said me that core = torso.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cope Wintergreen. Yummy.[/quote]
Any dip that is wintergreen is a win.
Except hawken… that stuff is just weird. Cube cut? [/quote]
Long cut.
And, this douche bag has a weird physio book, I mean mines pretty old, but the definition of core still matches the one today, so I’m guessing two definitions, plus several Louie Simmons/Dave Tate/Jim Wendler/&c. manuals/articles/videos saying the same thing must mean that core means more than just hips, but also means abs and certain other parts of your body. I mean seriously, I believe it was either Louie or Dave or maybe Ripptoe who said me that core = torso. [/quote]
Im sick of arguing on this fucking website, thats all anyone does here and its stupid, I would have loved to have a discusion about this without all the stupid name calling… But yes Rip says core=torso (Starting strength). I dont know Dave or Louie’s official stance on it.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]rMeister wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Right, because a Abdominal-Core workout is VERY useful for a powerlifter…
I like your pics of a bunch of famous people that arent you
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My pics have been up on this site numerous times.
And I’m sorry. I didn’t know that powerlifters never worked their abs. Thanks for showing everyone the light…
dipshit.
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Your core is your HIPS not your Ab dumb fuck. Rectus Abdominis jack ass, its singular, one muscle.
TIP: How you know someone doesnt know shit about training, they think your “abs” are your core…
Do some research before you try to talk shit[/quote]
Seriously. I never post on this site, this is probably my first post. But you’re such an idiot I couldn’t help myself. You’re “core” or the Lumbo-Pelvic HIP Complex, consists of the Transverse Abdominus, rectus abdominus, Lumbar Multifidus, Pelvic Floor Muscles, Diaphragm, and Transversospinalis. Get you’re fucking facts straight.
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Once again, please look up the definition of the word core… fancy words dont make you smarter, they make you a copy/paster[/quote]
For your convenience.
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cope Wintergreen. Yummy.[/quote]
Any dip that is wintergreen is a win.
Except hawken… that stuff is just weird. Cube cut? [/quote]
Long cut.
And, this douche bag has a weird physio book, I mean mines pretty old, but the definition of core still matches the one today, so I’m guessing two definitions, plus several Louie Simmons/Dave Tate/Jim Wendler/&c. manuals/articles/videos saying the same thing must mean that core means more than just hips, but also means abs and certain other parts of your body. I mean seriously, I believe it was either Louie or Dave or maybe Ripptoe who said me that core = torso. [/quote]
Im sick of arguing on this fucking website, thats all anyone does here and its stupid, I would have loved to have a discusion about this without all the stupid name calling… But yes Rip says core=torso (Starting strength). I dont know Dave or Louie’s official stance on it.[/quote]
I think their official stance is on their feet, but since we don’t know what a core is around here, it might not be. I may be confusing feet with something like airplanes or kazoos.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.[/quote]
Do you know what is teh definition of futility?
Arguing about definitions.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.[/quote]
Do you know what is teh definition of futility?
Arguing about definitions.
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tou-fucking-che
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
quit looking for someone elses answer guys, make your own. The core if something is the center, your hips are in the middle of your body… everyone just reads other peoples stuff and assumes its fact… you know how all this stuff got started… free thinking, there was no book for simmons, he thought.[/quote]
Do you know what is teh definition of futility?
Arguing about definitions.
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tou-fucking-che[/quote]
wow…orion convinces him…I must be really drunk. I’m going to bed.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Still waiting for a REAL powerlifters opinion on this. Someone that has trained under a Westside program, and knows the flaws of todays physical culture.
To be honest Im almost offended, Louie is one of my heroes because I thought he was just a bad ass powerlifter, no gimmicks no bullshit… but this plus the crossfit thing is just sad.[/quote]
As a powerlifter who has trained in one of the strongest gyms in the country, using westside, and has put up a 705 PR squat (in competition), I think you’re a fuckwit.
Please, for the love of everything holy, shut your fucking mouth.[/quote]
Asking for an opinion on the vid there Ace, dont give a fuck what you think about me. Thats a legit squat though, suited or RAW?[/quote]
Calling you a “fuckwit” and asking you to “shut your fucking mouth” isn’t indicative enough of the fact that I think you’re wrong?
I don’t have sound on my laptop, so I can’t really comment on the video. However, I did attend a two day seminar, where the second day of the seminar was spent with Louie tweaking your own form on your lifts, as well as having a one-on-one conversation with him for a good 15-20 minutes, and I never heard him say anything even remotely close to being half as stupid as the shit you’re spouting off in this thread.
That said, what I can SEE from the video is an exercise that works almost all of your abs while requiring you to stabilize pretty much the rest of your body. ie, upper back, shoulders, grip, and legs. There could be some minor pec or anterior deltoid recruitment depending on how fast you reverse your rotation and how you’re holding the kettlebell, but I’d say that’s fairly insignificant.
Doing these with light weights would probably be a decent exercise for active recovery, stretching, mobility, or GPP.
My 705 squat was done in gear, in the 220 weight class. I attribute my decent squat numbers to the fact that I’ve got strong, big, blocky, hypertrophied obliques and abs. I attribute the fact that I’ve got strong, big, blocky, hypertrophied obliques and abs by doing TONS of rotational abdominal resistance training exercises. So yeah, I think the exercise in the video could be pretty beneficial to a “REAL powerlifter” depending on what his or her weaknesses are.
Random thoughts:
Please don’t capitalize the word “raw” as if you’re trying to infer that “RAW” lifting is more badass or hardcore than geared lifting. It’s not.
You know the word “core,” in the fitness industry, is WIDELY ACCEPTED as the abdominal wall, obliques, low back, etc, NOT the hips. Stop trying to be the genius know-it-all in this thread. Regardless of what the “core” is, refer to them as the actual body part so people know what you’re talking about.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Still waiting for a REAL powerlifters opinion on this. Someone that has trained under a Westside program, and knows the flaws of todays physical culture.
To be honest Im almost offended, Louie is one of my heroes because I thought he was just a bad ass powerlifter, no gimmicks no bullshit… but this plus the crossfit thing is just sad.[/quote]
As a powerlifter who has trained in one of the strongest gyms in the country, using westside, and has put up a 705 PR squat (in competition), I think you’re a fuckwit.
Please, for the love of everything holy, shut your fucking mouth.[/quote]
Asking for an opinion on the vid there Ace, dont give a fuck what you think about me. Thats a legit squat though, suited or RAW?[/quote]
Calling you a “fuckwit” and asking you to “shut your fucking mouth” isn’t indicative enough of the fact that I think you’re wrong?
I don’t have sound on my laptop, so I can’t really comment on the video. However, I did attend a two day seminar, where the second day of the seminar was spent with Louie tweaking your own form on your lifts, as well as having a one-on-one conversation with him for a good 15-20 minutes, and I never heard him say anything even remotely close to being half as stupid as the shit you’re spouting off in this thread.
That said, what I can SEE from the video is an exercise that works almost all of your abs while requiring you to stabilize pretty much the rest of your body. ie, upper back, shoulders, grip, and legs. There could be some minor pec or anterior deltoid recruitment depending on how fast you reverse your rotation and how you’re holding the kettlebell, but I’d say that’s fairly insignificant.
Doing these with light weights would probably be a decent exercise for active recovery, stretching, mobility, or GPP.
My 705 squat was done in gear, in the 220 weight class. I attribute my decent squat numbers to the fact that I’ve got strong, big, blocky, hypertrophied obliques and abs. I attribute the fact that I’ve got strong, big, blocky, hypertrophied obliques and abs by doing TONS of rotational abdominal resistance training exercises. So yeah, I think the exercise in the video could be pretty beneficial to a “REAL powerlifter” depending on what his or her weaknesses are.
Random thoughts:
Please don’t capitalize the word “raw” as if you’re trying to infer that “RAW” lifting is more badass or hardcore than geared lifting. It’s not.
You know the word “core,” in the fitness industry, is WIDELY ACCEPTED as the abdominal wall, obliques, low back, etc, NOT the hips. Stop trying to be the genius know-it-all in this thread. Regardless of what the “core” is, refer to them as the actual body part so people know what you’re talking about.[/quote]
I only capitalize RAW because thats always how I see it written. I dont think its more bad ass, that has to do with the person, gear or not.
I appreciate your impute on the vid, I would have liked this thread to be a discussion more than a shouting match.
I know that not everyone is gonna have the same opinion, I just dont think there is a right or wrong in these situations.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cope Wintergreen. Yummy.[/quote]
Any dip that is wintergreen is a win.
Except hawken… that stuff is just weird. Cube cut? [/quote]
Long cut.
And, this douche bag has a weird physio book, I mean mines pretty old, but the definition of core still matches the one today, so I’m guessing two definitions, plus several Louie Simmons/Dave Tate/Jim Wendler/&c. manuals/articles/videos saying the same thing must mean that core means more than just hips, but also means abs and certain other parts of your body. I mean seriously, I believe it was either Louie or Dave or maybe Ripptoe who said me that core = torso. [/quote]
Im sick of arguing on this fucking website, thats all anyone does here and its stupid, I would have loved to have a discusion about this without all the stupid name calling… But yes Rip says core=torso (Starting strength). I dont know Dave or Louie’s official stance on it.[/quote]
Stupid name calling? You called Louie Simmons a sellout because he was using a kettlebell…
Ask a stupid question, expect to get dicked on.
Just admit that you’re an idiot and lets get on with our lives.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Right, because a Abdominal-Core workout is VERY useful for a powerlifter…
I like your pics of a bunch of famous people that arent you
[/quote]
My pics have been up on this site numerous times.
And I’m sorry. I didn’t know that powerlifters never worked their abs. Thanks for showing everyone the light…
dipshit.
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Your core is your HIPS not your Ab dumb fuck. Rectus Abdominis jack ass, its singular, one muscle.
TIP: How you know someone doesnt know shit about training, they think your “abs” are your core…
Do some research before you try to talk shit[/quote]
You know what’s also part of your core? Your abdominal muscles. You should try some research before you shit your talk.[/quote]
EEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR Look up core dumb ass, its the centre of something, your “abs” are the muscle that protect the stomach, the centre of your body is your hips[/quote]
This is by far the best post I’ve ever seen on this site. One day, you’ll read a book, magazine, a blog, or hell… even the westside site that someone linked you too (you know, the one you claim to get your info from?), realize how stupid this post was, and you’ll be too ashamed to post here for a while. I hope for your sake it comes soon.
If you truely think your hips are your core, and that your abs + lower back aren’t, you’re a moron. If you also think your hips are the center of your body is a safe statement to make, and applies to all people (assuming you speak only of height, because that is literally the only way that can EVER make sense) you’re again a moron.
People are hating on you because you’re posting on an internet forum where you have never been heard of, calling a powerlifting coach who has the respect and admiration of nearly every serious lifter a sell out for “new” methods. Then you’re acting like you have knowledge of everything in regards to lifting, when clearly after reading a few of your posts you need much guidance.
You didn’t even realize raw could be written without caps. I’m sure you figured it stood for something. If you don’t want to swing kettlebells around like a fairy, don’t. But don’t come around here talking shit about everyone, including people who are at levels you, nor anyone here will reach, and expect to be warmly welcomed. When you mature you realize when you respect people, and have an open mind, people respect you… And from that you will grow.
I hope this was a poor attempt at being a troll. Good day to you sir.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…
calm down people.
I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]
Doesn’t matter, I’ve got a hard on, a lip full of dip, and a mix of some kind of coffee and liquor. He’s getting in the poop chute tonight!!![/quote]
I lol’d.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
http://westside-barbell.com/westside-articles/PDF.Files/02PDF/Pre%20Meet%20Training.pdf
Page 3, paragraph 1: On max effort day, you must push the muscles to their fullest extent. Try records in all types of good mornings, squats, and pulls. On both the dynamic effort and max effort days, you must push not only the major core exercises but also the special work, such as reverse hyperÃ??Ã?®5356,359 and 6,491,607b2 extensions, pull–throughs, back raises, glute/ham raises, and lat and ab work.
What are you French, can you not understand plain English?[/quote]
What dont you get? CORE and ABS are NOT THE SAME THING
Current physical culture made the same thing, look at olympic lifters and powerlifters BEFORE SIMMONS like 50’s status, like Tommy Kono… Core=Hips[/quote]
WTF…I can’t believe I’m still on this post. But it is comical to say the least. GTFO! Give it up. The true believers prevail. We WIN again!
v/r
Gremlin
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
So I Googled him and everything I came across was bad ass. How hard did you have to search to find this? Do you have some sort of motive?[/quote]
Well yeah, he’s the founder of Westside barbell. I didnt search for the vid at all, it was on my “recommended videos” in my youtube account. I study Louie and Westside religiously. Its just sad to see that he’s willing to sell out for money and to keep his name current. [/quote]
I think you’re retarded. I personally know Louie and he’s been nothing but helpful to me. If you follow him religiously as you say you’ll know he’ll give anything a try that will make you stronger. Jump stretch bands?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
Still waiting for a REAL powerlifters opinion on this. Someone that has trained under a Westside program, and knows the flaws of todays physical culture.
To be honest Im almost offended, Louie is one of my heroes because I thought he was just a bad ass powerlifter, no gimmicks no bullshit… but this plus the crossfit thing is just sad.[/quote]
You should probably shut your fucking whore mouth, since I’ll put 500 bucks down that you haven’t trained West side either. I know only a few people on this forum who can claim that, and that includes Louie, Dave Tate, Jim Wendler, and a few other powerlifters. So, unless your ass is sitting on that list, your talking out of it, fuck face.
You wanna talk shit and wait for motherfuckers who have trained on a “Westside” program, you’re gonna be waiting awhile because they don’t give two shits about your punk lady boy ass. I don’t pretend to speak for any of those guys really, but I can tell you what I’ve been told. Unless your ass was in London, Ohio squatting with Louie giving you cues, you have NOT trained under a “Westside” program. And, if you really studied “Westside” and Louie religiously, you’d know this.
You’d know that Westside doesn’t have a program, they do what works and fuck the rest. Westside is an atmosphere, one that I’m sure your punk ass wouldn’t even find itself on the board. So stfu, and get back in the gym and stop talking out your ass on the internet.[/quote]
I’ve trained there, hence my opinion that this guy is retarded.
Cholesterol turns into Testosterone ;)))
We should start having elections for most retarded threads of T-Nation.
Although I don’t think any other thread will give this one competition.
[quote]Russaldo wrote:
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Jesus christ…
calm down people.
I don’t think he intended to instigate a flame war.[/quote]
THANK YOU…
I post a video for discussion and everyone gets all ass hurt…
Its like telling christians you dont believe in god
CALM THE FUCK DOWN[/quote]
If you post this shit of a board of powerlifters and bodybuilders, and then spouting about how right you are and how wrong EVERYONE ELSE is, you must miss a whole lot of braincells. How could you not expect a flame war?
It’s exactly like you said, you don’t go on a christian message board and start a thread about how God doesn’t exist and they are all wrong, do you? You’re gonna get flamed to death.