Losing Hip and Ab Fat as Skinny Fat

YOU SAID…I never called him stupid, nor do I believe he is stupid. I said he is not using common sense. A person’s common sense and ability to evaluate a situation objectively can be overrided by unfounded beliefs that are deeply ingrained in them from bullshit constantly regurgitated by the masses. This is why I have tried to SIMPLIFY all this for him with the use of slightly provocative language so that he figures it out by himself.

I don’t believe the guy is stupid either. I used that language to make a point. ( I apologize to him and to all of you)
I totally agree with what you said in your last paragraph…there is so much BS out there it is hard to know what is what.

[quote]rocket man 400 wrote:
YOU SAID…I never called him stupid, nor do I believe he is stupid. I said he is not using common sense. A person’s common sense and ability to evaluate a situation objectively can be overrided by unfounded beliefs that are deeply ingrained in them from bullshit constantly regurgitated by the masses. This is why I have tried to SIMPLIFY all this for him with the use of slightly provocative language so that he figures it out by himself.

I don’t believe the guy is stupid either. I used that language to make a point. ( I apologize to him and to all of you)
I totally agree with what you said in your last paragraph…there is so much BS out there it is hard to know what is what. [/quote]

No, you are right about most people sticking to dogma and a lot will benefit from simply changing their mindsets. Those are very valid points. An exercise is essentially muscles contracting against resistance, and customising it’s execution to suit one’s leverages is key to continued progress unless there’s a mandatory rule on how it’s supposed to be performed like in a powerlifting or oly lifting competition.

Valor pleases Thibs.

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I hope you don’t give this much advice to people in real life. Or any training advice, really. You act like you know what you’re talking about, but you clearly don’t. It frightens me to think that people would listen to someone as unqualified as you.
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I’ve actually used a lot of those training principles with pretty decent success. Instead of limiting the stroke of the concentric on upper body pressing, I would instead limit the eccentric (so, only press about halfway up, instead of stopping halfway down), but otherwise pretty similar.

Can’t actually comment on the nutrition.[/quote]

I actually thought of you when I wrote the reply, because I know that’s the case, but I was in a hurry and didn’t want to type a full response. Which is actually the case now as well, but I’ll try to break down my response better later I guess. There are things in what he said that I didn’t hate, but the main things I took issue with were assumptions about the length of his femurs, body type, and the idea that just looking at him was enough to prescribe a full nutrition/exercise program.

I feel like that was all garbage and presumptuous. The partial rep thing wasn’t something I hated, although I’d be willing to argue against heavy bench press reps done to 90 degrees without a strong back arch. There’s enough evidence out there to suggest this is a bad idea, IMO.

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I actually thought of you when I wrote the reply, because I know that’s the case, but I was in a hurry and didn’t want to type a full response. Which is actually the case now as well, but I’ll try to break down my response better later I guess. There are things in what he said that I didn’t hate, but the main things I took issue with were assumptions about the length of his femurs, body type, and the idea that just looking at him was enough to prescribe a full nutrition/exercise program.

I feel like that was all garbage and presumptuous. The partial rep thing wasn’t something I hated, although I’d be willing to argue against heavy bench press reps done to 90 degrees without a strong back arch. There’s enough evidence out there to suggest this is a bad idea, IMO.[/quote]

Yeah, if I were to go that route, I’d at least use a physical obstruction to help accomplish it, like pins/chains or boards or a pad or something.

Floor press would actually probably be the best bet. Somehow, despite never coming close to my chest, that movement completely obliterates it.

I agree with you on bodytyping. I think that’s just a silly thing to do. I feel like too many people get obsessed with body structure/posture stuff.

[quote]rocket man 400 wrote:
Hope I am not too late too help. First you did gain more fat than you wanted and not enough muscle or strength. At least you tried. You injured yourself and this is probably because your form is not proper. Squat and deadlift form is critical. Flat back, push out with stomach, stay tight, shoulder blades pulled back, etc. If I saw you work out I could analyze exactly what you need just by seeing your body shape and form in the lifts. What I am going to suggest is radical and almost no one suggests this as most have no clue how it works. It is always suggested that full range of motion is important for muscle growth. That is BS. You may benefit much more to do incomplete ranges of motion in the deadlift, squat and bench press. A long limbed lifter has such poor leverage in the bottom portion of most lifts. This makes it extremely hard to get strong and can cause injuries.

I recommend experimenting with deadlifts in the rack, try pulling from mid shin and slightly below the knee. This will improve your leverages and you will get much stronger faster. I also would recommend using a parallel handle bar (hex bar) these are available in rackable models. My regular hex bar will work but limits the amount of plates per side. So, I just pull the pin out of one side of the rack, place 2 jack stands at the right height and place the pin on the jack stands… This is for one side of the bar, the other side is the rack. I just improvised and made my rack narrower for my bar. For the squat, you can squat with a wide stance, knees out and go to slightly above parallel. Also do some quarter squats as well. I would suggest doing the deadlift and power squat only one day per week, alternating them and alternating the different ranges of motion. I also suggest you get or have your gym aquire a safety squat bar.( but the technique I am going to suggest can be used with the leg press and hack machine) The power squat and deadlift emphasize body power, pure strength as I suggested doing them. By doing your leg press, safety bar squat( the original way, holding on to the rack to maintain an upright stance) or hack machine in the following manner you will develop your quads maximally. Go down to parallel or slightly below, come up only about a foot and back down. This is a partial movement that will stimulate your quads more than anything you will ever do. Do at least 10 reps.

For Bench I suggest you only lower the bar till your forearm/upper arm is at a 90 degree angle. This greatly improves leverage so you can get really strong. For overhead presses I suggest only bringing the bar down as low as the top of the head for the same reasons.
If you want to preserve your flexibility then do the full range of motion with a light weight for a warm up and at the end of the last set. this will keep your range of motion intact for shoulders and legs/hips

People with different genetics as far as limb length and especially people with long femurs in proportion to the rest of their body need to train different. The same exercises work for everyone, but how they are done is so important . Now I know the rules of powerlifting …but this is not about powerlifting, it is about making someone get stronger and put on some real muscle. Leverages are everything…that is why the most muscular guys you see naturally are shorter limbed.
In regard to repetitions… get STRONG, this means low reps. However, do one or 2 back off sets following your heavy stuff and do much higher reps…say 15-20 with the appropriate weight. This will give you more time under tension which helps muscle growth.

Realize it takes time, recovery is so important. Work out hard for 3 weeks, then deload…back off and just do the movemments light, no high reps, just to maintain your technique and to get the blood flowing. Or take the week off. This is a HUGE factor in continued progress…don’t forget this.

Now diet… eat enough to grow…but if getting too fat, back off on the calories. Also try walking 10 minutes several times per day. this helps burn pure fat and also helps with recovery as gentle movement aids blood flow to the muscles…I personally walk 4- 6 X’s a day(up to an hour total) This is way better than a one hour straight walk for our needs. Keeps the body active all day long which aids the metabolism.

When you have gained some decent strength and muscle…then if you want you can cut the fat. Diet always requires adjustments…

Isolation exercises are very important AFTER you have developed some strength and size and can see what muscles are developing fine and which need some help. This is the bodybuilding approach… The strength approach uses the isolation movements to improve a lagging area in regard to the major lifts.

For improving a muscle do higher reps, drop sets, super short rest 10-20 sec between sets, experiment with different exercises and “chase the pump” as they used to say. It works.[/quote]

I think that without reading your post, this is too much information for the OP. The OP obviously has major issues with the absolute fundamentals of training and nutrition that should be addressed long before any of the points in your post.

@dagill

I know exactly what kind of crap ‘sneaks’ in. I count EVERYTHING I eat and drink. I’m not a fool.

Despite that, a 40 calorie waffle or whatever isn’t going to turn you fat if everything else is done right.

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]Narciss wrote:
Besides, IIFYM seems to create good results even for skinny fats - saw a dude with similar genetics as me get to 10% bf on that diet. Yet I can’t recreate it…[/quote]

Does anyone still have any doubt that this guy thinks “skinny fat” is an actual genetically predetermined bodytype?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure it is. There’s plenty of people that look good despite not having that much muscle… why? Cause they can have a flat stomach without that much effort.

[quote]@OP

Read through your own 1st post, look at the total time spent in an actual caloric excess, and tell me, logically, how much muscle did you expect to have put on within that timeframe.[/quote]

Enough to look good after cutting, I guess. Not everyone wants to look massive. Imo I wouldn’t look that bad if I could get rid of my ab and hip fat. Sure I can put on more muscle and I will… but I’d look decent.

My doubts now are basically that I’ll go on a bulk for another 4 months or more, but I\ll end up being insecure cuz of the fat that will go to the ‘sensitive’ areas (this happened to me last time but I was eating alot of junk) and i’m gonna blow all of my progress again.

I mean it makes you wonder… if I can barely get a hint of abs after cutting for so long, what exactly will change after I do build some muscle down the road and I try to cut again?

@cavemansam

That sounds ridicilous. What did he change?
I’ve been exposed pretty early to good training practices, albeit I didn’t count calories from the beginning. There’s no reason to believe I will suddenly make massive improvements.

EDIT:
I didn’t see the 2nd page of replies, reading now

Well shit alot of discussion going on on the 2nd page. No idea how I missed it at first.

What do you guys suggest to me then? Eat at a low surplus for a longtime while training 3 times per week.

I will retain/increase fat in the ab and hip region, not sure I’ll be able to cope with that. It’s pretty whiney by me, but I can’t help it. 4 months of bulking in I’ll be worrying about that shit again (hell I still have that problem)

Other than the low back pain, I have some knee pains as well… both keep persisting even 3 weeks out of the gym. Not sure whats up. Kinda annoys me to do any sort of exercise when I feel handicapped with those pains

P.S.
WHy do you all think I’m eating bad quality foods?

[quote]Narciss wrote:
Deadlift 5 x 125kg → 5 x 100 kg (maybe I could’ve done 105kg, but I was progressing slowly after a deload)
Squat 4 x 105kg → 5 x 85kg
Bench P 5 x 77.5kg → 5 x 67.5kg
Overhead P 4 x 52.5kg → 5 x 45kg
Pendlay Row 7 x 60kg → 7 x 57.5kg (couldn’t reach 8 reps)[/quote]

Did I read this right? You got weaker?

I think that’s the crux of your problem. You cut weight, but you didn’t retain/gain strength. So, while you lost weight, you didn’t do it in a way that ensures you primarily lost fat.

Figure out how to eat to increase your strength again, while losing around a pound or so a week, and that will get you where you want to be.

Here’s a couple ideas I’ve picked up from other people, and tested out, and they worked for me.

  1. you need more protein when trying to lose fat. While .8-1g can be acceptable on a “bulk”, aim for 1.2-1.5g on a “cut”. The basic idea is that you want to ensure that if your body is going to burn protein for fuel – for whatever reason – that it doesn’t come from muscle. And, that you still have a surplus of free aminos for building/repairing muscle.

  2. 20+ minute fasted morning walks. A treadmill works well for this, but there’s other ways. Wake up, pop a caffeine pill and maybe an amino/peptide-only drink (you want no carbs), and do an incline walk. Start at something like a 6% grade and 3.0 mph, and just adjust as necessary. You want your heart rate to stay in the ~120-130 bpm range for 20 minutes. Then shower and get on with your day. Do this 3-5x a week.

If you don’t have a treadmill and you have hills, use those. Just find something low-impact where you can keep your heart rate fairly stable.

  1. use a lifting program that gives you goals every single session. Greyskull LP is a good option, because every session you’re either trying to set a weight PR (more weight than you did last time), or a rep PR (more reps at a given weight than you did last time). If you’re not able to set PRs nearly every session, then you know you’re doing something wrong with your food and recovery.

  2. drink a gallon of water every day. Use flavoring if necessary (I’m partial to MiO flavorings myself). Doesn’t matter when or how you get it in, just that you do.

Thanks man. I’ll keep that in mind when I go on another cut… think I’ll go on a long lean bulk when I start lifting again

I don’t know if this will help you or not, but I thought of it while reading your thread. Watch “Superhero In Training” videos starting at [How Do We Measure Up? - YouTube]. They’re 4 beginners trying to get in shape, gaining muscle and strength while losing fat, on a 10 week program (currently on week 8). It won’t show you a specific program but will show some things I think will help you. It’s kinda entertaining and perhaps will be helpful and motivating for you.

For example, the woman has knee problems so the trainer finds a different way to exercise that muscle group without aggravating the knee (might help you with your deads/squats ‘injury’ thing). Also, it’s not about body weight but body composition (the woman was bummed she didn’t lose much weight after week 4 but her measurements show she lost fat while gaining muscle, so she was progressing after all).

Whether you gain anything from watching is up to you.

Good luck.

Also, you came here for advice because your results show your program has failed, and some smart/experienced folks have given it. Your response has mainly been to argue and explain why your ‘program’ isn’t at fault, that it’s your genetics instead. You’ve done almost everything wrong – that’s good news! It means you can fix things and then progress. If it were your genetics that would be bad news. So stop arguing and listen to those who know what they’re talking about, and you’ll start progressing.

bad genetics?
saw a guy on the street yesterday looked to be in his forties or so about 4’6
midget dwarf?
buddy of mine says damn he short i say look at his arms and legs looked like a mini lee priest
my buddy says look at the woman with him
fucking gorgeous
fuck genetics